Okafor trade talk: Will he be traded by the deadline?

[Mik317]

I want to throw Gordon Hayward's name into the Jrue/Lowry debate. In fact he is Holiday's age without the chronic injury risk. I wouldn't mind throwing the max at him.

Hayward only leaves Utah to go to Boston with Stevens

[Sportfan73]

I want to throw Gordon Hayward's name into the Jrue/Lowry debate. In fact he is Holiday's age without the chronic injury risk. I wouldn't mind throwing the max at him.

Hayward only leaves Utah to go to Boston with Stevens

Yep. The whole reason there is a Jrue/Lowry debate is because they are realistic. Hayward is a pipe dream.


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[kingofthecourt67]

I want to throw Gordon Hayward's name into the Jrue/Lowry debate. In fact he is Holiday's age without the chronic injury risk. I wouldn't mind throwing the max at him.

Hayward only leaves Utah to go to Boston with Stevens

Fair point--it is definitely unlikely. Still obviously worth a call from BC in the summer though. We have a lot to offer on our end.

[Covington_33]

Hayward at Philly? That's really really really unlikely.

What's up with Jah?

[bedjawII]

I want to throw Gordon Hayward's name into the Jrue/Lowry debate. In fact he is Holiday's age without the chronic injury risk. I wouldn't mind throwing the max at him.

Hayward only leaves Utah to go to Boston with Stevens

The playing for your old college coach is really overblown. They outside expectations would be unfair, when in reality Hayward has had substantially more individual success without Steven's then he has with him. You can say that for almost any star NBA player.

[jbent87]

I want to throw Gordon Hayward's name into the Jrue/Lowry debate. In fact he is Holiday's age without the chronic injury risk. I wouldn't mind throwing the max at him.

Hayward only leaves Utah to go to Boston with Stevens

The playing for your old college coach is really overblown. They outside expectations would be unfair, when in reality Hayward has had substantially more individual success without Steven's then he has with him. You can say that for almost any star NBA player.

Yeah the narrative of Hayward to Boston bc of Stevens is so tired. But that's what Bill Simmons puts out there and engraves into that fanbases' heads. With a healthy Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart/Jae Crowder where does he even fit?

[Kobblehead]

I want to throw Gordon Hayward's name into the Jrue/Lowry debate. In fact he is Holiday's age without the chronic injury risk. I wouldn't mind throwing the max at him.

Definitely worth exploring every option, but word around the league is that Hayward and his wife are in love with the Utah area and would be next to impossible to pry away.

[bedjawII]

Hayward only leaves Utah to go to Boston with Stevens

The playing for your old college coach is really overblown. They outside expectations would be unfair, when in reality Hayward has had substantially more individual success without Steven's then he has with him. You can say that for almost any star NBA player.

Yeah the narrative of Hayward to Boston bc of Stevens is so tired. But that's what Bill Simmons puts out there and engraves into that fanbases' heads. With a healthy Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart/Jae Crowder where does he even fit?

I think he fits just not so sure a grown man is so anxious to rehash his college glory days. At least a grown man who is enjoying great success.

[kriss73]

I've got a feeling that this trade is dead.
Or at least it will be be the last resort.

[Sportfan73]

I've got a feeling that this trade is dead.
Or at least it will be be the last resort.

I think the rumors are out there to drive up the price and that BC wants Jrue. I think he really wants a PG. that's been his thing everywhere he has been.


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[HotelVitale]

I want to throw Gordon Hayward's name into the Jrue/Lowry debate. In fact he is Holiday's age without the chronic injury risk. I wouldn't mind throwing the max at him.

Hayward only leaves Utah to go to Boston with Stevens

The playing for your old college coach is really overblown. They outside expectations would be unfair, when in reality Hayward has had substantially more individual success without Steven's then he has with him. You can say that for almost any star NBA player.

Yup. Rumors of him to Boston might make some sense--they're a little better than UTA now and he might like the roster or the change to a bigger city--but this coach thing is goofy. I don't get why people think that spending like 6 months with some dude when you were 18 or 19 years old creates a bigger bond than spending like 8 years with an organization and city like Hayward has in Utah.

[KKell2507]

Wonder if Boston is more willing to part with one or two of their guards to get Okafor knowing now that they are almost guaranteed one of Fultz, Ball, Smith in the draft? And thats even at worst case scenario where the Brooklyn pick falls to 4th, since I cant see Josh Jackson slipping out of the top 3.

[51X3RF4N]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if a deal is done in the next 10 days, where Okafor goes to New Orleans, a 3rd team picks up some other pieces and sends stuff to New Orleans, and Jrue comes to Philly with a pick from another team. I really think that is the intention for BC. He wants Jrue, wants to re-sign him and put him next to Simmons. And if you can get that for Jah, you do it. Perfect complement to Ben. Defends the PG's, plays off ball, can shoot from deep, can get his own buckets when necessary, can handle the rock and run the offense from time to time. He's literally a perfect fit next to Ben.

I wouldn't be surprised if you see this type of deal go down, and then Jrue is re-signed to a 4 year deal worth $20M+ per year. And then, the Sixers use Noel, picks, and other assets to go get studs at SG and PF.

Jrue/SG/Simmons/PF/Embiid Just my guess, but you never know. I think BC is not caring about the draft as much because he doesn't want to "continue" the process and get younger, and less experienced. He'll go with vet stars over "potential" stars any day. I think he wants to be a legit competitive top 4 Eastern Conference team as early as next season, and he's got 2 pieces to that puzzle currently on the roster. If he can get a 3rd piece for just Jah, and then flip Noel + assets for another 2 pieces, he's gonna do that.

[HartfordWhalers]

Hayward only leaves Utah to go to Boston with Stevens

The playing for your old college coach is really overblown. They outside expectations would be unfair, when in reality Hayward has had substantially more individual success without Steven's then he has with him. You can say that for almost any star NBA player.

Yup. Rumors of him to Boston might make some sense--they're a little better than UTA now and he might like the roster or the change to a bigger city--but this coach thing is goofy. I don't get why people think that spending like 6 months with some dude when you were 18 or 19 years old creates a bigger bond than spending like 8 years with an organization and city like Hayward has in Utah.

He was there for 2 years. In contrast, this is his 3rd year with Quin Snyder.

[Sportfan73]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if a deal is done in the next 10 days, where Okafor goes to New Orleans, a 3rd team picks up some other pieces and sends stuff to New Orleans, and Jrue comes to Philly with a pick from another team. I really think that is the intention for BC. He wants Jrue, wants to re-sign him and put him next to Simmons. And if you can get that for Jah, you do it. Perfect complement to Ben. Defends the PG's, plays off ball, can shoot from deep, can get his own buckets when necessary, can handle the rock and run the offense from time to time. He's literally a perfect fit next to Ben.

I wouldn't be surprised if you see this type of deal go down, and then Jrue is re-signed to a 4 year deal worth $20M+ per year. And then, the Sixers use Noel, picks, and other assets to go get studs at SG and PF.

Jrue/SG/Simmons/PF/Embiid Just my guess, but you never know. I think BC is not caring about the draft as much because he doesn't want to "continue" the process and get younger, and less experienced. He'll go with vet stars over "potential" stars any day. I think he wants to be a legit competitive top 4 Eastern Conference team as early as next season, and he's got 2 pieces to that puzzle currently on the roster. If he can get a 3rd piece for just Jah, and then flip Noel + assets for another 2 pieces, he's gonna do that.

I don't disagree with this. I would take Lauri with our second lotto pick to plug at the 4.


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[51X3RF4N]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if a deal is done in the next 10 days, where Okafor goes to New Orleans, a 3rd team picks up some other pieces and sends stuff to New Orleans, and Jrue comes to Philly with a pick from another team. I really think that is the intention for BC. He wants Jrue, wants to re-sign him and put him next to Simmons. And if you can get that for Jah, you do it. Perfect complement to Ben. Defends the PG's, plays off ball, can shoot from deep, can get his own buckets when necessary, can handle the rock and run the offense from time to time. He's literally a perfect fit next to Ben.

I wouldn't be surprised if you see this type of deal go down, and then Jrue is re-signed to a 4 year deal worth $20M+ per year. And then, the Sixers use Noel, picks, and other assets to go get studs at SG and PF.

Jrue/SG/Simmons/PF/Embiid Just my guess, but you never know. I think BC is not caring about the draft as much because he doesn't want to "continue" the process and get younger, and less experienced. He'll go with vet stars over "potential" stars any day. I think he wants to be a legit competitive top 4 Eastern Conference team as early as next season, and he's got 2 pieces to that puzzle currently on the roster. If he can get a 3rd piece for just Jah, and then flip Noel + assets for another 2 pieces, he's gonna do that.

I don't disagree with this. I would take Lauri with our second lotto pick to plug at the 4.


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Nah, I'd rather have an established star at PF, and that's what you could command if you're talking about cashing in on the assets accumulated from the process.

[HotelVitale]

The playing for your old college coach is really overblown. They outside expectations would be unfair, when in reality Hayward has had substantially more individual success without Steven's then he has with him. You can say that for almost any star NBA player.

Yup. Rumors of him to Boston might make some sense--they're a little better than UTA now and he might like the roster or the change to a bigger city--but this coach thing is goofy. I don't get why people think that spending like 6 months with some dude when you were 18 or 19 years old creates a bigger bond than spending like 8 years with an organization and city like Hayward has in Utah.

He was there for 2 years. In contrast, this is his 3rd year with Quin Snyder.

Thought he came out after just one. In any case, it was also like eight years ago, and he's a grown man and, while I obviously know nothing about their specific relationship, this is how I think about it: I had a thesis advisor as an undergrad who was a great mentor and we spent a ton of time together--in addition to the more relevant things we talked about, I know his family well, we know what drinks and food the other person likes, etc, and I like and value him and still talk to him regularly. If I was offered a job at the place he works at now, though, being back with the guy whom I enjoyed spending time with a decade ago would be about 15-20th on my list of priorities, way after things like what my role would be, what classes I'd get to teach, what sort of research the dept was sponsoring, the location of the campus, benefits package, and so on and so on. It might break a tie between two offers but it's nowhere close to a predominant factor.

[Arsenal]

Jrue vs. Lowry aside, if BC's plan is to give up assets to trade for Jrue a few months before he becomes an UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT, then he's even dumber than the worst caricatures of him. That would be a colossally stupid give away of precious assets that took a lot of time and sacrifice to obtain. I can't understand how anyone can support that.

If we're shipping out assets, it should be for a star player who is locked up on a long-term contract. Not a guy we can sign for just money in 3 months.

[51X3RF4N]

Jrue vs. Lowry aside, if BC's plan is to give up assets to trade for Jrue a few months before he becomes an UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT, then he's even dumber than the worst caricatures of him. That would be a colossally stupid give away of precious assets that took a lot of time and sacrifice to obtain. I can't understand how anyone can support that.

If we're shipping out assets, it should be for a star player who is locked up on a long-term contract. Not a guy we can sign for just money in 3 months.

I agree with this, with the exception that if Okafor is the only asset going out, and a potential 1st round pick is coming back plus Jrue, then I wouldn't be too upset. Okafor's value is clearly quite low, or he already would've been traded for what we would consider "fair value". So, to take an "asset" like Okafor and turn him into a trial period of Jrue with Simmons, an evaluation for half a season if it would even work or not before you commit those big bucks to him in the offseason, plus potentially get a pick out of it, I'm all for that.

[Arsenal]

Jrue vs. Lowry aside, if BC's plan is to give up assets to trade for Jrue a few months before he becomes an UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT, then he's even dumber than the worst caricatures of him. That would be a colossally stupid give away of precious assets that took a lot of time and sacrifice to obtain. I can't understand how anyone can support that.

If we're shipping out assets, it should be for a star player who is locked up on a long-term contract. Not a guy we can sign for just money in 3 months.

I agree with this, with the exception that if Okafor is the only asset going out, and a potential 1st round pick is coming back plus Jrue, then I wouldn't be too upset. Okafor's value is clearly quite low, or he already would've been traded for what we would consider "fair value". So, to take an "asset" like Okafor and turn him into a trial period of Jrue with Simmons, an evaluation for half a season if it would even work or not before you commit those big bucks to him in the offseason, plus potentially get a pick out of it, I'm all for that.

If what you're saying is that you would support getting Jrue assuming we give up basically nothing for him then I can agree with that.

If we have to give up anything at all of substance then it's a stupid move all the way.