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Re: 2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2 

Post#241 » by sixers hoops » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:45 pm

HankTheTank wrote:If I could ask Sam Hinkie 3 questions, one would be about the Porzingis rumor that he was overruled...

I brought up Bill Walton earlier, did anyone hear Walton discussing the WSJ article about his son making $1Billion last year during the Kansas game? For as much of a creepy hippy he is, his kids are incredibly successful.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/from-hardwood-to-wall-street-a-hoops-legends-son-slam-dunks-an-oil-deal-1487327404?mod=e2fb


Also would like to ask him if he was overruled on an Okafor to Celtics trade at last Feb's deadline.
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Post#242 » by cksdayoff » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:58 pm

donovan mitchell's 3 point stroke is a thing of beauty.
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Post#243 » by cksdayoff » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:59 pm

just destroyed the rim on a top 10 SC alleyoop dunk too.

Embiid
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Elite defensive squad with length
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Post#244 » by sixers23 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:10 pm

cksdayoff wrote:donovan mitchell's 3 point stroke is a thing of beauty.

He shoots it at like 36 percent. Def needs work
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Post#245 » by cksdayoff » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:13 pm

sixers23 wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:donovan mitchell's 3 point stroke is a thing of beauty.

He shoots it at like 36 percent. Def needs work


shooting close to 45% in his last 16 games on 116 attempts. The guy reworked his 3 point shot in the off-season. Now he has more arc, probably took a while to get going at the beginning of the college season since he tweaked his mechanics
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Post#246 » by Negrodamus » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:19 pm

cksdayoff wrote:just destroyed the rim on a top 10 SC alleyoop dunk too.

Embiid
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Mitchell

Elite defensive squad with length


If we got both picks, I'd honestly be okay with Brown and Mitchell. Two two way players that can fill in at point guard and have been very solid spot up three point shooters. Both excellent athletes.
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Post#247 » by cksdayoff » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:40 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:just destroyed the rim on a top 10 SC alleyoop dunk too.

Embiid
Simmons
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Mitchell

Elite defensive squad with length


If we got both picks, I'd honestly be okay with Brown and Mitchell. Two two way players that can fill in at point guard and have been very solid spot up three point shooters. Both excellent athletes.


With Saric on the floor, there's gonna be some amazing ball movement
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Post#248 » by kriss73 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:05 am

Great love for Mitchell. He could climb into the lottery when all will be said and done.
If BC can sell Jah for him (i.e. for the pick to select him) he Will earn my forgiveness for the Noel's trade :D
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Post#249 » by PLO » Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:20 pm

Are the Ball fans worried about the bonkers Dad? Hasn't seemed to of fazed Lonzo, fair play to him - he seems a lot more mature than his Dad. Is this the type of thing that will give FO's pause in drafting him in the top 3 of the draft?
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Post#250 » by Ericb5 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:28 pm

PLO wrote:Are the Ball fans worried about the bonkers Dad? Hasn't seemed to of fazed Lonzo, fair play to him - he seems a lot more mature than his Dad. Is this the type of thing that will give FO's pause in drafting him in the top 3 of the draft?


It's irrelevant what his father says really, but if he was my dad I would have told him to cut it out immediately. Like when Okafor got his dad in check.


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Post#251 » by Unbreakable99 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:35 pm

PLO wrote:Are the Ball fans worried about the bonkers Dad? Hasn't seemed to of fazed Lonzo, fair play to him - he seems a lot more mature than his Dad. Is this the type of thing that will give FO's pause in drafting him in the top 3 of the draft?


No. A team will draft him and he will play for them. I have no concern.
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Post#253 » by shawn_hemp » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:44 pm

The juxtaposition of body types in this picture is astounding.

Still like Boucher

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Post#254 » by No-Man » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:03 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Judging from the very little I've seen of him, he's about as much as a PG as Victor Oladipo was (not much of one at all). He better gain 35+ pounds because he's going to have to play SG in the NBA, in my opinion.

He doesnt get to play PG for his team, he has played PG for France under age teams for like 3 years, he is really poised, not gonna make mistakes, has ways to go creating off the PnR, but he can pass, still he is the youngest player in the draft, at his age Lillard wasnt even a frosh at Weber St. where he made himself a PnR player after a while, Ntilikina can develop that, he has all the tools, not super athletic, but crazy long, has more shake with the ball than Lonzo for example, has that shooting ability eve off-dribble in pull-ups.
I think he is a trciky one, but judging him early could cost somebody their job, even if he ends up as a wing he brings value, he is 6'6 almost with a 7' wingspan and might not be done growing.
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Post#255 » by No-Man » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:06 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Even though I still have questions about his three ball, I think I like Bruce Brown over any of the top PG (Ball, Smith, Fultz) based on how elite his defense has been along with his ability to create. I think I brought him up first, but he's really starting to shoot up the board now that the team has conceded that he's their best playmaker.

He is good but I don't see the playmaking translating into much and he is already 20.5 years old, almost 2 years older than all those guys, he isnt a versatile shooter, he can hit those, but guys like Smith, and esp. Fultz have a different degree of diversity to their jumpers.

I like Brown as a top20, maybe top15 guy, top5, not really.
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Post#256 » by Negrodamus » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:17 pm

Fischella wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Even though I still have questions about his three ball, I think I like Bruce Brown over any of the top PG (Ball, Smith, Fultz) based on how elite his defense has been along with his ability to create. I think I brought him up first, but he's really starting to shoot up the board now that the team has conceded that he's their best playmaker.

He is good but I don't see the playmaking translating into much and he is already 20.5 years old, almost 2 years older than all those guys, he isnt a versatile shooter, he can hit those, but guys like Smith, and esp. Fultz have a different degree of diversity to their jumpers.

I like Brown as a top20, maybe top15 guy, top5, not really.


Infinitely better defender than any of those guys. Jumper actually looks fine. More athletic than any of the top PGs from what I've seen. Plays better off ball.

Age doesn't matter. If it did, the Pistons would have taken Brandon Knight over Kemba Walker... Oh wait, they did.
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Post#257 » by No-Man » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:21 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Fischella wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Even though I still have questions about his three ball, I think I like Bruce Brown over any of the top PG (Ball, Smith, Fultz) based on how elite his defense has been along with his ability to create. I think I brought him up first, but he's really starting to shoot up the board now that the team has conceded that he's their best playmaker.

He is good but I don't see the playmaking translating into much and he is already 20.5 years old, almost 2 years older than all those guys, he isnt a versatile shooter, he can hit those, but guys like Smith, and esp. Fultz have a different degree of diversity to their jumpers.

I like Brown as a top20, maybe top15 guy, top5, not really.


Infinitely better defender than any of those guys. Jumper actually looks fine. More athletic than any of the top PGs from what I've seen. Plays better off ball.

Age doesn't matter. If it did, the Pistons would have taken Brandon Knight over Kemba Walker... Oh wait, they did.

well age does matter, some players produce to a higher level even as freshmen due to that, I dont think he is more athletic on ball than either Fultz or Smith, he doesnt even smell their handles or shiftiness, he is a better defender yeah, his jumper looks alright, again not as versatile or diverse as those 2 guys, but still, good enough, he just doesnt carry that type of upside.

I like him even as a late-lotto guy, but talking about him in the top5 is crazy to me, do you see him as a guy that is gonna have the ball and create at the next level? how come?

PG defense is nice if you have it, or backcourt defense, but the offensive side with small players is much more important, I value Brown's defense but heck if you are talking about him been better than those based on that you should have Ntilikina who is the most polished perimeter defender of this class, ahead of them.
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Post#258 » by Negrodamus » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:41 pm

Fischella wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Fischella wrote:He is good but I don't see the playmaking translating into much and he is already 20.5 years old, almost 2 years older than all those guys, he isnt a versatile shooter, he can hit those, but guys like Smith, and esp. Fultz have a different degree of diversity to their jumpers.

I like Brown as a top20, maybe top15 guy, top5, not really.


Infinitely better defender than any of those guys. Jumper actually looks fine. More athletic than any of the top PGs from what I've seen. Plays better off ball.

Age doesn't matter. If it did, the Pistons would have taken Brandon Knight over Kemba Walker... Oh wait, they did.

well age does matter, some players produce to a higher level even as freshmen due to that, I dont think he is more athletic on ball than either Fultz or Smith, he doesnt even smell their handles or shiftiness, he is a better defender yeah, his jumper looks alright, again not as versatile or diverse as those 2 guys, but still, good enough, he just doesnt carry that type of upside.

I like him even as a late-lotto guy, but talking about him in the top5 is crazy to me, do you see him as a guy that is gonna have the ball and create at the next level? how come?

PG defense is nice if you have it, or backcourt defense, but the offensive side with small players is much more important, I value Brown's defense but heck if you are talking about him been better than those based on that you should have Ntilikina who is the most polished perimeter defender of this class, ahead of them.


I don't know how to quantify what I watch. I know my viewing is no match for omnipotence. Here's a shot:

Half of Bruce Brown's shots are at the rim (or 47% if we're being exact) while only 32% of those are assisted. So nearly half the time he is scoring, there's a 68% chance he's creating for himself. I think that speaks to his ability to create.

On top of that, 22% shots are 2pt shots not at the rim and 0% of those are unassisted. So now we are up to 69% of his shots are assisted 32% of the time. When comparing 3pt shots, he has a 77% assisted which is comparable to Lonzo Ball's 75% assisted.

So, somehow he's scoring these unassisted buckets.
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Post#259 » by dkj5061 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:43 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Fischella wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Even though I still have questions about his three ball, I think I like Bruce Brown over any of the top PG (Ball, Smith, Fultz) based on how elite his defense has been along with his ability to create. I think I brought him up first, but he's really starting to shoot up the board now that the team has conceded that he's their best playmaker.

He is good but I don't see the playmaking translating into much and he is already 20.5 years old, almost 2 years older than all those guys, he isnt a versatile shooter, he can hit those, but guys like Smith, and esp. Fultz have a different degree of diversity to their jumpers.

I like Brown as a top20, maybe top15 guy, top5, not really.


Infinitely better defender than any of those guys. Jumper actually looks fine. More athletic than any of the top PGs from what I've seen. Plays better off ball.

Age doesn't matter. If it did, the Pistons would have taken Brandon Knight over Kemba Walker... Oh wait, they did.


Age is fairly widely considered the single most important determinant for NBA success. Not saying every young guy is good or every old guy is bad, but there are far more cases where a young player develops than there are Kemba Walker success stories.
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Post#260 » by Negrodamus » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:51 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:
Fischella wrote:He is good but I don't see the playmaking translating into much and he is already 20.5 years old, almost 2 years older than all those guys, he isnt a versatile shooter, he can hit those, but guys like Smith, and esp. Fultz have a different degree of diversity to their jumpers.

I like Brown as a top20, maybe top15 guy, top5, not really.


Infinitely better defender than any of those guys. Jumper actually looks fine. More athletic than any of the top PGs from what I've seen. Plays better off ball.

Age doesn't matter. If it did, the Pistons would have taken Brandon Knight over Kemba Walker... Oh wait, they did.


Age is fairly widely considered the single most important determinant for NBA success. Not saying every young guy is good or every old guy is bad, but there are far more cases where a young player develops than there are Kemba Walker success stories.


Unless I miscounted, 14 of the 25 players in this year's All Star game played at least 2 years of college or were older than 20 when they played their first game in the NBA. I think if you've got it, you got it. I can understand if you're a junior or senior and haven't broken out yet, it would be a concern. But this is Brown's "freshman" year at Miami.

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