The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

snoopdogg88 · Post #241 » by **snoopdogg88** » Mon May 6, 2019 1:16 pm

Ben will never improve his shot until he mentally commits to it and gets over his “too cool for school” attitude.

It doesn’t matter how many people in the media and league clown on his lack of a jump shot, if he can’t admit to himself it’s an issue.

AirP. · Post #242 » by **AirP.** » Mon May 6, 2019 1:51 pm

I just want to know what really happened, he could shoot but just doesn't now.

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Post #243 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon May 6, 2019 10:29 pm

AirP. wrote:I just want to know what really happened, he could shoot but just doesn't now.

Watch on YouTube

He was never a great shooter in high school, but he still shot it. His shooting regression basically started after his sophomore year. Ever since then, each season he took less jumpers and the form got worse and worse. With that said, he was still taking a couple 3s a game and shooting them at a 30% clip as a senior.

To me there are two major red flags with his jumper.

1) It's clear as day that he is shooting with the wrong hand. He clearly has better touch with his right hand and it looks like his entire body wants to shoot with his right hand but he fights it

2) The regression, not progression in his jumper for so long now. Mixed with he has been playing the game for so long and has been surrounded by pros and elite coaches basically his entire life. This isn't a situation of him learning the game late in life. The dude's jumper has been a major focus of his game for at least 5 years now. And there is regression not progression in that span.

XtremeDunkz · Post #244 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Mon May 6, 2019 10:34 pm

Ben Simmons is a more athletic Draymond Green with worse defense, and I don't think he will ever be much better than that. And you can quote me on that.

Xonn11 · Post #245 » by **Xonn11** » Mon May 6, 2019 10:34 pm

He is always going to struggle once we get past the first round of the playoffs I think it's time to cut bait with him

PhillyPhilly · Post #246 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Tue May 7, 2019 1:33 am

GUYS, FORGET ABOUT HIS COLLEGE STUFF, LOOK AT WHAT HE WAS DOING JUST LAST YEAR!!!

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So he was landing those jumpers quite regularly and they were looking good despite being with his less dominant hand. Then he went away In the summer, worked with his brother on his shot and came back not wanting to shoot those shots anymore and when he did shoot they were turnaround jumpers and had a totally different form where he twists the ball with his palm instead of pushing it with the tips of his fingers. So the whole thing is so weird how he was taking shots In college, taking shots in his rookie year, but then totally regressed this year.

As for letting him go. Well my question is this, was Kawhi a rookie of the year and then the next year an all-star? NOPE, but look at him now? Can I tell you two guys who did do what Ben has done? MICHAEL JORDAN AND LEBRON JAMES. I get it, we all want Ben to be a superstar right now but the truth is the kid is still learning his game. Right now he's a kid with two seasons of experience who has incredible skills for his height and position. Dribbling, passing, speed in transition, defense, blocks, steals and he averages 16 ppg. We just have to hope that these playoff experiences really make him sit down and evaluate everything and he understands that if he really wants to be one of the best he has to be able to evolve.

1. Work with Dennis Scott and Magic In the summer as planned

2. Rip up how you shoot right now and build that jumper from the ground up, starting with using your right hand

3. Bulk up a little so you can dominate more in the paint and be more aggressive more often

4. Develop your handle more so you can have more go to moves

That's what I want to see from Ben moving forward. But if he doesn't have the desire to improve and we see the same kid next season then next year will be the time to think about the future, not now imo.

Post #247 » by **sixers hoops** » Tue May 7, 2019 1:47 am

PhillyPhilly wrote:GUYS, FORGET ABOUT HIS COLLEGE STUFF, LOOK AT WHAT HE WAS DOING JUST LAST YEAR!!!

Watch on YouTube

So he was landing those jumpers quite regularly and they were looking good despite being with his less dominant hand. Then he went away In the summer, worked with his brother on his shot and came back not wanting to shoot those shots anymore and when he did shoot they were turnaround jumpers and had a totally different form where he twists the ball with his palm instead of pushing it with the tips of his fingers. So the whole thing is so weird how he was taking shots In college, taking shots in his rookie year, but then totally regressed this year.

As for letting him go. Well my question is this, was Kawhi a rookie of the year and then the next year an all-star? NOPE, but look at him now? Can I tell you two guys who did do what Ben has done? MICHAEL JORDAN AND LEBRON JAMES. I get it, we all want Ben to be a superstar right now but the truth is the kid is still learning his game. Right now he's a kid with two seasons of experience who has incredible skills for his height and position. Dribbling, passing, speed in transition, defense, blocks, steals and he averages 16 ppg. We just have to hope that these playoff experiences really make him sit down and evaluate everything and he understands that if he really wants to be one of the best he has to be able to evolve.

1. Work with Dennis Scott and Magic In the summer as planned

2. Rip up how you shoot right now and build that jumper from the ground up, starting with using your right hand

3. Bulk up a little so you can dominate more in the paint and be more aggressive more often

4. Develop your handle more so you can have more go to moves

That's what I want to see from Ben moving forward. But if he doesn't have the desire to improve and we see the same kid next season then next year will be the time to think about the future, not now imo.

I actually forgot he had that little 8-12 foot pull-up jumper. Crazy that he hasn’t really used that very much this season that I can recall.

Post #248 » by **sixers hoops** » Tue May 7, 2019 1:52 am

PhillyPhilly wrote:GUYS, FORGET ABOUT HIS COLLEGE STUFF, LOOK AT WHAT HE WAS DOING JUST LAST YEAR!!!

Watch on YouTube

So he was landing those jumpers quite regularly and they were looking good despite being with his less dominant hand. Then he went away In the summer, worked with his brother on his shot and came back not wanting to shoot those shots anymore and when he did shoot they were turnaround jumpers and had a totally different form where he twists the ball with his palm instead of pushing it with the tips of his fingers. So the whole thing is so weird how he was taking shots In college, taking shots in his rookie year, but then totally regressed this year.

As for letting him go. Well my question is this, was Kawhi a rookie of the year and then the next year an all-star? NOPE, but look at him now? Can I tell you two guys who did do what Ben has done? MICHAEL JORDAN AND LEBRON JAMES. I get it, we all want Ben to be a superstar right now but the truth is the kid is still learning his game. Right now he's a kid with two seasons of experience who has incredible skills for his height and position. Dribbling, passing, speed in transition, defense, blocks, steals and he averages 16 ppg. We just have to hope that these playoff experiences really make him sit down and evaluate everything and he understands that if he really wants to be one of the best he has to be able to evolve.

1. Work with Dennis Scott and Magic In the summer as planned

2. Rip up how you shoot right now and build that jumper from the ground up, starting with using your right hand

3. Bulk up a little so you can dominate more in the paint and be more aggressive more often

4. Develop your handle more so you can have more go to moves

That's what I want to see from Ben moving forward. But if he doesn't have the desire to improve and we see the same kid next season then next year will be the time to think about the future, not now imo.

Good ideas. I’m not even sure how much they need to focus on his three point shot. When he say rebuild shot with Dennis Scott, most people would be happy if he could shoot well from 12-16 foot range.

Adding a three would be great; however, rather than nominal improvement shooting from all distances, I would like him to start by getting really comfortable with his midrange shot.

Wilfried · Post #249 » by **Wilfried** » Tue May 7, 2019 7:20 am

Does Ben has a FTA this series?

XtremeDunkz · Post #250 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Tue May 7, 2019 8:00 am

Wilfried wrote:Does Ben has a FTA this series?

4 total I think. Embarrassing.

Bum Adebayo · Post #251 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Tue May 7, 2019 11:01 am

Midrange should be his focus this offseason, not everybody has to be forced to have 3pt range, the **** rules actually forces the game to be a 3pt spamming feast, but **** it, just focus on hitting midrange shots at a decent clip.

Simmons25 · Post #252 » by **Simmons25** » Tue May 7, 2019 11:14 am

XtremeDunkz wrote:
Wilfried wrote:Does Ben has a FTA this series?

4 total I think. Embarrassing.

Probably to do with the fact he barely has the ball as a point guard in half court offense anymore with Jimmy getting most of the ball handling duties for pick and rolls.

Like it or not when he is being played almost exclusively at the 4 and gets almost zero post ups at the 4 spot he is just not going to score in any way whatsover. It's not like he can play stretch 4. :lol:

At least before he could post up smaller guards on mismatches and switches. Now he has no opportunity to exploit that and has a bigger opponent on him most of the time. All whilst being the 5th option on offense.

Right now he just looks completely lost out there on the offensive end and on the defensive end well Kawhi basically makes every shot anyway regardless of how much pressure he is under... so Simmons may as well sit on the bench because he is almost unplayable in this lineup.

If the Sixers are serious about winning this and want to play Butler at the 1... then may as well put Ben on the bench and play Mike Scott as a defender on Kawhi as someone that can shoot 3's and space the floor.

Mik317 · Post #253 » by **Mik317** » Tue May 7, 2019 12:48 pm

he just needs something to go to in the half court offense.

floater, mid range, skyhook, free throw line dunks, whatever. Hell I'd take him Tony Wroten-ing himself at the rim

the_process · Post #254 » by **the_process** » Tue May 7, 2019 7:29 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:Midrange should be his focus this offseason, not everybody has to be forced to have 3pt range, the **** rules actually forces the game to be a 3pt spamming feast, but **** it, just focus on hitting midrange shots at a decent clip.

Can he start by shooting FT's righty and stop avoiding contact around the rim?? A Ben Simmons that drives all the time into traffic looking to get fouled, getting ~10FTA and hitting 70% of them would be a big step up from where he is now. And it's kind of infuriating he didn't do that last summer.

Kova · Post #255 » by **Kova** » Tue May 7, 2019 8:02 pm

Man I'm depressed after watching this. Looks like his only shot today is layup or dunk. His shot is not improving but regressing!

XDevilBoiX · Post #256 » by **XDevilBoiX** » Tue May 7, 2019 8:27 pm

Kova wrote:Man I'm depressed after watching this. Looks like his only shot today is layup or dunk. His shot is not improving but regressing!

How can it regress if he never had one.

PhillyPhilly · Post #257 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Tue May 7, 2019 8:32 pm

His shot is not just lay-ups and dunks. He does have a sky hook and right handed push shot/jumper that he often lands. So there is hope yall that that push shot can be developed into a jumper In the offseason.

76ciology · Post #258 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 8, 2019 2:50 am

The way I see it and this is just a hunch..

Ben doesnt want to defer in his role and change his game. That means he wants the ball in his hands. Not on jimmy’s. He wants to play with spot up shooters like dario and roco type players.

Even if he can shoot. He wouldnt want to give up the ball. You think he would? I dont think so.

He’s DNA is a facilitator. Not a scorer.

XtremeDunkz · Post #259 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Wed May 8, 2019 3:11 am

76ciology wrote:The way I see it and this is just a hunch..

Ben doesnt want to defer in his role and change his game. That means he wants the ball in his hands. Not on jimmy’s. He wants to play with spot up shooters like dario and roco type players.

Even if he can shoot. He wouldnt want to give up the ball. You think he would? I dont think so.

He’s DNA is a facilitator. Not a scorer.

Then trade him. That player is not a winner. He will never be Lebron,he will never be Giannis.

Mik317 · Post #260 » by **Mik317** » Wed May 8, 2019 3:26 am

i'm mad.

Ben's performance this series is ****.

that being said, you have to be realistic here too.
same goes for Embiid.

throw out all of the youth, the illnesses, the fact that the Raptors are just a better team. Thats all true but thats not what i am talking about.
the fact is still even with my white hot rage, there are very few REALISTIC trades you can make w/ Ben/JoJo and get back equal , ready to win right now, value.

AD is thrown out often. But 1. NO is not going to want another Klutch sports guy. 2. AD and Embiid isn't exactly a great fit. 3. AD desperately wants to go to LA because LeBron told him to; so he is a flight risk. 4. AD is just as injury prone as Embiid...and w/ our medical staff...yeesh. 5. Also i don't know if he is even that good.

Lillard is another one. That is simple to throw out. Portland is not going to trade their best player who loves it there. CJ is more likely to be moved and if that is your return for Ben, then I'd rather just hope like an idiot that he figures things out.

Lets go the draft route. My dream is to trade for Ja Morant...but dude will take at least 2-3 years to be worth ****. Rookies don't win in the playoffs. Same goes for anyother player in the draft.

But lets say Pheonix gets hosed in the lottery...what about Devin Booker? Sure I guess...but dude has been a career loser but he is it.

Towns isn't being traded for Embiid's breaking down ass...and doesn't fit w/ Embiid. So nope.

so while we are all super duper butt raging right now...lets take a step back and realize that despite everything our best bet is hoping for improvement from within. Trading either guy isn't going to be the instant step up.