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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#241 » by Kobblehead » Thu Dec 3, 2020 2:08 am

M2J wrote:I don't think Ferguson's value is done at all. Like I said before, he can play. I really watched him his first 2 years. Good defender, and can shoot and run. Started the beginning of last season too, but was inconsistent and lost his role to Dort. He had a child custody situation that distracted him too.

I have hope getting traded is a wake up call. But the guy is definitely playable.

Defense? Shooting? Ferguson can't do either of those things. Nor can he dribble. He has no talent. Just a tall athlete.
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Post#242 » by LloydFree » Thu Dec 3, 2020 11:13 am

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Monix wrote:wouldn't be surprised at all if Ferguson gets cut/waived before the season starts

looks like 4 guys for 2 spots - Ferguson, Anderson, Broekhoff, Walton


I would, if only due to contract reasons.

I wouldn't just be surprised, I'd be stunned. No GM with a brain in his head, cuts a player making 4 million dollars, while his team is in the tax, at the beginning of a season. They find someone to take the salary at the trade deadline. Teams aren't in business to pay luxury tax for no good reason.
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Post#243 » by the_process » Thu Dec 3, 2020 9:33 pm

I’m still hoping George Hill is in the final version of the deal.
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Post#244 » by Sixerscan » Fri Dec 4, 2020 2:21 am

the_process wrote:I’m still hoping George Hill is in the final version of the deal.

I don't think they want him included at this point. $10 million more against the tax, they'd have to cut someone with guaranteed money, takes minutes away from young guys, the TPE gives them more flexibility at the deadline.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#245 » by Tomjas » Mon Dec 7, 2020 10:46 pm

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the_process wrote:I’m still hoping George Hill is in the final version of the deal.

I don't think they want him included at this point. $10 million more against the tax, they'd have to cut someone with guaranteed money, takes minutes away from young guys, the TPE gives them more flexibility at the deadline.


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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#246 » by Stanford » Mon Dec 7, 2020 10:49 pm

Seems like a decent addition to me. A 2.5m dollar expiring deal to add in trades.
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Post#247 » by the_process » Mon Dec 7, 2020 10:50 pm

Justin Robinson? Do they mean they waived Justin Anderson?? And they didn't waive Broekhoff or Walton before him?

EDIT: Never mind. Exhibit 10 signing I missed.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#248 » by the_process » Mon Dec 7, 2020 10:51 pm

Does Poirier, Ferguson, and Green match salary for Horford?
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#249 » by Stanford » Mon Dec 7, 2020 10:52 pm

the_process wrote:Justin Robinson? Do they mean they waived Justin Anderson?? And they didn't waive Broekhoff or Walton before him?


Nope, Justin Robinson. It's a player that actually exists.
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Post#250 » by BullyKing » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:00 pm

Stanford wrote:Seems like a decent addition to me. A 2.5m dollar expiring deal to add in trades.


Except I doubt he's making the team since I can't imagine we're carrying four centers. So we just did OKC a solid by eating a contract they got paid to take for nothing. Not loving it but whatever.
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Post#251 » by LloydFree » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:07 pm

Not happy about waiving Diane to take on another stiff.
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Post#252 » by BullyKing » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:11 pm

LloydFree wrote:Not happy about waiving Diane to take on another stiff.


He could very well be back tomorrow after that waive Poirier. But he was always ending up in Delaware so I really don't think it functionally changes anything.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#253 » by LloydFree » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:17 pm

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LloydFree wrote:Not happy about waiving Diane to take on another stiff.


He could very well be back tomorrow after that waive Poirier. But he was always ending up in Delaware so I really don't think it functionally changes anything.

Probably not. But I'd rather Diane get time in training camp with the team than have a 5th Center. I'd be surprised if they cut anybody with a guaranteed salary, while they're over the luxury tax.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#254 » by BullyKing » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:21 pm

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BullyKing wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Not happy about waiving Diane to take on another stiff.


He could very well be back tomorrow after that waive Poirier. But he was always ending up in Delaware so I really don't think it functionally changes anything.

Probably not. But I'd rather Diane get time in training camp with the team than have a 5th Center. I'd be surprised if they cut anybody with a guaranteed salary, while they're over the luxury tax.


I agree with you. I don't get why we'd help out Presti without compensation.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#255 » by zaz102 » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:26 pm

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LloydFree wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
He could very well be back tomorrow after that waive Poirier. But he was always ending up in Delaware so I really don't think it functionally changes anything.

Probably not. But I'd rather Diane get time in training camp with the team than have a 5th Center. I'd be surprised if they cut anybody with a guaranteed salary, while they're over the luxury tax.


I agree with you. I don't get why we'd help out Presti without compensation.
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Inclusion of Poirier gets deep into cba nerd speak, but tl;dr:
- Allows OKC to function as team over cap, and not renounce their massive TPE. -Green+Ferguson alone wouldn't have matched salary.
- While still maximizing the traded player exception the Sixers will generate ($8.2m).

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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#256 » by BullyKing » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:27 pm

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LloydFree wrote:Probably not. But I'd rather Diane get time in training camp with the team than have a 5th Center. I'd be surprised if they cut anybody with a guaranteed salary, while they're over the luxury tax.


I agree with you. I don't get why we'd help out Presti without compensation.
Per Bodner-

Inclusion of Poirier gets deep into cba nerd speak, but tl;dr:
- Allows OKC to function as team over cap, and not renounce their massive TPE. -Green+Ferguson alone wouldn't have matched salary.
- While still maximizing the traded player exception the Sixers will generate ($8.2m).

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I understand all of this stuff. This helps OKC and only OKC and costs the Sixers millions of dollars.
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the plan is to get as good as quickly as possible....I fully believe we could have been a borderline playoff team last year by adding young veterans....using or draft picks and cap space.....can I specifically tell you who? no.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#257 » by kriss73 » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:29 pm

BullyKing wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
He could very well be back tomorrow after that waive Poirier. But he was always ending up in Delaware so I really don't think it functionally changes anything.

Probably not. But I'd rather Diane get time in training camp with the team than have a 5th Center. I'd be surprised if they cut anybody with a guaranteed salary, while they're over the luxury tax.


I agree with you. I don't get why we'd help out Presti without compensation.


We got a nice and useful 8.2M TPE out of that deal.
It could be interesting down the line.

EDIT. Anticipated. Maybe Presti has no pick to give us :-D
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#258 » by zaz102 » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:30 pm

BullyKing wrote:
zaz102 wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
I agree with you. I don't get why we'd help out Presti without compensation.
Per Bodner-

Inclusion of Poirier gets deep into cba nerd speak, but tl;dr:
- Allows OKC to function as team over cap, and not renounce their massive TPE. -Green+Ferguson alone wouldn't have matched salary.
- While still maximizing the traded player exception the Sixers will generate ($8.2m).

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I understand all of this stuff. This helps OKC and only OKC and costs the Sixers millions of dollars.
I hear you except the matching salaries part. It sounds like they needed someone back, although back to your point, why wouldn't they get someone that could play or have potential?

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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#259 » by BullyKing » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:31 pm

kriss73 wrote:
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LloydFree wrote:Probably not. But I'd rather Diane get time in training camp with the team than have a 5th Center. I'd be surprised if they cut anybody with a guaranteed salary, while they're over the luxury tax.


I agree with you. I don't get why we'd help out Presti without compensation.


We got a nice and useful 8.2M TPE out of that deal.
It could be interesting down the line.


We were always getting a TPE. But speaking of which, how doesn't Poirier's salary not cut into our TPE since our incoming is now more than it was before? I assume he is fitting into the TPE from the Richardson trade so we also just threw that away.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#260 » by Sixerscan » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:32 pm

BullyKing wrote:
zaz102 wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
I agree with you. I don't get why we'd help out Presti without compensation.
Per Bodner-

Inclusion of Poirier gets deep into cba nerd speak, but tl;dr:
- Allows OKC to function as team over cap, and not renounce their massive TPE. -Green+Ferguson alone wouldn't have matched salary.
- While still maximizing the traded player exception the Sixers will generate ($8.2m).

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I understand all of this stuff. This helps OKC and only OKC and costs the Sixers millions of dollars.

I assume taking Horford into the TPE was never a term of the trade. Poirier might have always been potentially in it.

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