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Post#241 » by Negrodamus » Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:59 pm

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Agreed he is very underrated as a defender with quick hands. Solid fundamentals. Everyone here who cares about winning would swap Jared for Reed if the Rockets offered without hesitation. He would immediately be our starting PG to allow Maxey to play his natural position at a 2. McCain never play the point at any level and is not really that efficient as a shooter unlike Reed was in college.

https://youtu.be/NImsF0mtbd8?si=JRr0YujWaUp_rGZn

I'm sure he was kidding on who would be better.


He wouldn't immediately be our starting PG because he's not immediately the starting PG for the Rockets. Maxey is our current PG and he wouldn't jump ahead of him.

McCain was a point guard in high school and was needed at SG because they already had Jeremy Roach. I like Reed as much as anyone but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he's easily better at this level. He needs to play more than 12 minutes per game before crowning him.
Rockets has no need to rush him as a starter cause their backcourt are fully set and they are winning. I wouldn't replace either FVV or Jalen with Reed during his rookie reason but we would fast track him into our starting lineup unless you like our pathetic backcourt now with Maxey out.

https://youtu.be/kkKq3qP1bnU?si=uWeTEm5MOl-yr1pn

There is no way I would even start Jared even at the 2 spot right right.


FVV is playing some of his worst ball of his career right now. They are winning in spite of him. Also, you don't need to send me Reed Sheppard videos, I am a UK fan and spent all of last year watching him, so I'm familiar.
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Re: Welcome Jared McCain! 

Post#242 » by WentzerWuver » Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:18 pm

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He wouldn't immediately be our starting PG because he's not immediately the starting PG for the Rockets. Maxey is our current PG and he wouldn't jump ahead of him.

McCain was a point guard in high school and was needed at SG because they already had Jeremy Roach. I like Reed as much as anyone but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he's easily better at this level. He needs to play more than 12 minutes per game before crowning him.
Rockets has no need to rush him as a starter cause their backcourt are fully set and they are winning. I wouldn't replace either FVV or Jalen with Reed during his rookie reason but we would fast track him into our starting lineup unless you like our pathetic backcourt now with Maxey out.

https://youtu.be/kkKq3qP1bnU?si=uWeTEm5MOl-yr1pn

There is no way I would even start Jared even at the 2 spot right right.


FVV is playing some of his worst ball of his career right now. They are winning in spite of him. Also, you don't need to send me Reed Sheppard videos, I am a UK fan and spent all of last year watching him, so I'm familiar.
Lol maybe scoring is the only thing that matters to you which is why you wanted McCain to start but his other responsibilities has been key to their success. Same with Jabari Smith.

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Re: Welcome Jared McCain! 

Post#243 » by Negrodamus » Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:58 am

Read on Twitter


So he wasn't joking here.
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Re: Welcome Jared McCain! 

Post#244 » by Black Mage » Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:11 am

Negrodamus wrote:
Read on Twitter


So he wasn't joking here.


Going to admit, I didn't believe that quote given how he looked in SL. Although, I did complain a lot that the SL team wasn't letting him get in rhythm by insisting Dowtin run the PG and he sucked at getting teammates involved let alone hitting them when they were open.
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Post#245 » by akhan786 » Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:23 pm

What do y’all think about us making Jared the 6th man and giving him the green light to chuck it with the bench unit once everyone is back. Feel like he might defer too much with Maxey, PG, and Embiid on the court. And is he good enough defensively as a rookie to just be a spot up shooter?

6th Man of the Year and ROY? :)

Open to being wrong and it turns out McCain becomes our best option starting at point guard and that Embiid requires McCain’s spacing. Just feel like all these options need to be considered.
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Post#246 » by Wilfried » Thu Nov 14, 2024 2:52 pm

akhan786 wrote:Open to being wrong and it turns out McCain becomes our best option starting at point guard and that Embiid requires McCain’s spacing. Just feel like all these options need to be considered.


You mean using Maxey as the 6th man than?
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Post#247 » by akhan786 » Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:03 pm

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akhan786 wrote:Open to being wrong and it turns out McCain becomes our best option starting at point guard and that Embiid requires McCain’s spacing. Just feel like all these options need to be considered.


You mean using Maxey as the 6th man than?

No starting McCain and Maxey together. Which we will always have doubts about until they prove it otherwise defensively in the playoffs. The other option being Maxey at PG with Oubre or Martin at the 2.

But McCain seems like a quick learner. Maybe with minutes, he improves a lot on that end. His effort is already 100%. And his offense might just force himself into the starting lineup regardless. But he better not sit for Lowry/Jackson/Gordon anymore or Nurse needs to hear it from fans.
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Re: Welcome Jared McCain! 

Post#248 » by Sixersftw » Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:30 pm

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So he wasn't joking here.

Jo lies to the media all the time re: himself but he is really really truthful about his teammates. Shoulda listened to the large potato.
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Post#249 » by Jailblazers7 » Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:39 pm

I get that the Maxey/McCain backcourt is small but what’s the real alternative? Play Oubre or Martin who are shooting 30% from 3?
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Post#250 » by Sixersftw » Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:48 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:I get that the Maxey/McCain backcourt is small but what’s the real alternative? Play Oubre or Martin who are shooting 30% from 3?

Nurse is already hinting that McCain may start when everyone is healthy. It makes total sense and we will just have to deal with the defensive consequences.
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Re: Welcome Jared McCain! 

Post#251 » by Stanford » Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:11 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Read on Twitter


So he wasn't joking here.


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Post#252 » by youngcrev » Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:28 pm

I started marinating my crow last night. Can't wait to eat it.
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Post#253 » by Slacktard » Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:35 pm

Mikal Bridges
11G, 15.6 PPG, 3.8 REB, 3.5 AST, 13.1 PER, 0.6 WS

Jared McCain
11G, 13.5 PPG, 2.1 REB, 2.3 AST, 20.6 PER, 0.5 WS
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Post#254 » by zaz102 » Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:21 pm

I would start McCain and Maxey. I'd rather try it and see if it fails first.
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Post#255 » by Iverson Armband » Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:48 pm

McCain is sturdy and competes. See no reason why he can’t start next to Maxey if the offense is forreal. Sometimes, that perfect 6’6 archetype with long arms isn’t available to you. McCain isn’t perfect but he’s our best option and one of our 5 best players.
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Post#256 » by M2J » Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:36 pm

[quote="Sixersftw"][quote="Jailblazers7"]I get that the Maxey/McCain backcourt is small but what’s the real alternative? Play Oubre or Martin who are shooting 30% from 3?[/quote]
Nurse is already hinting that McCain may start when everyone is healthy. It makes total sense and we will just have to deal with the defensive consequences.[/quote]


I definitely want to see it, but I just can't see it really working this early in this year at least... Maybe later.

I like Jared in the 6th man role. I like both Martin and Oubre as point of attack defenders.... And would like to see if their version of two-way play (which isn't exactly 3 and D) works with the three shooters and extra gravity which also happen to be from the three stars. Plus I like the additional athleticism they both bring and against certain teams starting Yabu for physicality.

Starting McCain probably puts more pressure on George defensively. Plus,a big key in his emergence has been a bit of a change that I've criticized Nurse for when they're under manned in the past... Which is just playing with pace and allowing the kid to just play ball...Call his own screens, dribble around and break from Nurse's overall system. There's a better chance of him being allowed to play that way as 6th man and developing those skillsets as opposed to being mostly off ball.

To THRIVE in a win now year as a starter, he'll need to play smart and within the confines around 3 all stars who can play better with the ball than he can. To do that he'd need to trend towards my Klay Thompson projection ... Rather than the potential Jamal Murray trend I think he's playing now... Which is a less efficient approaching mix of pullups, drives, playmaking and off ball movement shooting... Maybe he can turn into a better version with less unnecessary flash as he seems sturdy. But, in the meantime being great off ball will help everyone. It's like with Maxey and everyone was saying he needs to be Tony Parker like, where Steph like and off ball movement shooting should've always been his goal clearly.
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Post#257 » by Iverson Armband » Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:49 pm

I think Maxey needs to be more off ball when he gets back. He’s quite literally the best catch n shoot player in the league and has proven to not be that great on ball. PG is also great as a catch n shoot player and should be used more as a release valve this late in his career for preservation. Not for heavy offensive lifting unless necessary.

Joel really just needs to focus on being DPOY and pick n pops.
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Post#258 » by M2J » Fri Nov 15, 2024 12:38 am

Iverson Armband wrote:I think Maxey needs to be more off ball when he gets back. He’s quite literally the best catch n shoot player in the league and has proven to not be that great on ball. PG is also great as a catch n shoot player and should be used more as a release valve this late in his career for preservation. Not for heavy offensive lifting unless necessary.

Joel really just needs to focus on being DPOY and pick n pops.


I agree with all this but realistically the offense will not run through McCain
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Post#259 » by zaz102 » Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:21 am

They potentially have four guys who can play on ball or off ball and have playmaking ability. None of them may be at James Harden level, but hopefully having four of them should make them dangerous on the offensive end.
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Post#260 » by Jailblazers7 » Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:24 am

I’m not super worried about who operates as the primary creator if McCain plays with Maxey & PG. The benefit of having all 3 is that we have incredible offensive flexibility with all 3 able to play comfortably off & on ball. Give them a chance to figure it out over the course of the season, all the ingredients are there.

I’m just out on Oubre & would love if we could allocate his minutes elsewhere. He’s a decent point of attack defender & cutter but everything else about his game is detrimental imo. Can’t shoot, terrible at closing out on shooters, and falls asleep off ball. His athleticism makes him pop off the screen but he’s mostly empty calories.

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