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76ciology · Post #2481 » by **76ciology** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 2:38 pm

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76ciology · Post #2484 » by **76ciology** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 6:06 pm

76ciology wrote:Just watched G2 of Rox vs Lakers.

AD and Bron got a ton of open shots in the paint via lay-ups and drives. There are times when guys like Harden will be up against AD around the rim.

That is how you can win against small ball. Hunt for high volume of high % shots (LAL made 56FG%). Mix of transition baskets & bully ball. Rox made 22 3pts on 41%, 10 more 3s made than the Lakers.

Rox also made 5 more FTs. But it’s just not good enough to compensate for the made baskets.

If Lakers would get more possessions with ORebs and defense or Bron&AD carry their offense by scoring a ton of easy baskets around the rim, they can win this series.
At some point it’s going to be demoralizing for the Rox.

That is how you beat small ball by playing big.

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M2J · Post #2485 » by **M2J** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 6:26 pm

76ciology wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:So did Masai Ujiri finally mess up with this Siakam contract?

Doesn't look like a max player. Looks like another Tobias Harris out there.

Ok.

Horford and 21st pick for Siakam.

Since im feeling generous today, I’ll add another first rounder.

Seriously, the "GM" abilities from some members of this board is laughable. If anything, if he would have waited until this season to pay siakam, he would have been spending much more.

Doesn't mean Pascal is a number one player. But you have to lock up your talent if you're trying to win in this league, unless you're trying to get under the cap to pick up free agents in one of the few key markets that free agents will go to on their own.

Think about Milwaukee and Malcolm Brogdon. Milwaukee needed that contract in order to get better. whether brogden made them better or not, they could have traded him for the type of player that they may need in addition to other assets. Instead they cheaped out, and are stuck as a non-championship team. They can't get out of their current situation at all without trading Giannis or Middleton, and trading Middleton won't bring you much. Middleton is basically Tobias, and I may take Tobias.

Much like people saying Philly's cap situation is a disaster. All of those pieces are movable, along with the number of cheap assets this team has.

If they didn't sign a young Pascal, that would be grounds for firing Masai.

Kobblehead · Post #2486 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 10:35 pm

Nah, retention maxes are never a good idea. Especially for ancillary players that can't score off the dribble in the halfcourt. He had better be super elite defensively to try to justify it and Pascal just isn't.

ProcessDoctor · Post #2487 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:16 am

Is Siakam a 1-year wonder?

Negrodamus · Post #2488 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:21 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:Is Siakam a 1-year wonder?

Gotta say, when Tobias plays like garbage on offense, at least he makes an effort to get an offensive board. Siakam is just playing like garbage tonight.

M2J · Post #2489 » by **M2J** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:23 am

Kobblehead wrote:Nah, retention maxes are never a good idea. Especially for ancillary players that can't score off the dribble in the halfcourt. He had better be super elite defensively to try to justify it and Pascal just isn't.

What team doesn't do it? Even the warriors gave that type of money to Draymond this year. They also did it for Russell, who have them another retention max player in Wiggins that fit their needs better and a first round pick. Now they have assets, and money to attach it to that can at least score.... In order to get better.

There are times when it doesn't make sense, but it's rare.

Of course you could always trade that player for cheap assets before you sign them, but I haven't seen too many times where that's gotten you more

ProcessDoctor · Post #2490 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:41 am

Best bubble game so far.

Post #2491 » by **Stanford** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:41 am

this game rules

go raps

Kobblehead · Post #2492 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:41 am

M2J wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Nah, retention maxes are never a good idea. Especially for ancillary players that can't score off the dribble in the halfcourt. He had better be super elite defensively to try to justify it and Pascal just isn't.

What team doesn't do it? Even the warriors gave that type of money to Draymond this year. They also did it for Russell, who have them another retention max player in Wiggins that fit their needs better and a first round pick. Now they have assets, and money to attach it to that can at least score.... In order to get better.

There are times when it doesn't make sense, but it's rare.

Of course you could always trade that player for cheap assets before you sign them, but I haven't seen too many times where that's gotten you more

Just because a lot of teams practice bad business doesn't mean it's good business.

Draymond has no value as an asset, atm. Washington had to salary dump Porter and they got nothing for him. Harris has no value as an asset.

DLo actually made sense to max, because while he isn't a great player, he can at least score off the dribble and carry a huge scoring load. Guys like that always have value as a positive asset. Role players that can't score off the dribble on max contracts almost always get salary dumped for no return.

Toronto is either stuck with Siakam as a max role player for the duration of his contract or they'll be forced to try to dump him later and probably get little in return.

Arsenal · Post #2493 » by **Arsenal** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:42 am

Man these Raptors are unbelievable. Kyle Lowry is such an amazing player. Masai is a god to have the team in this position after losing Kawhi.

Post #2494 » by **Stanford** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:42 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:Is Siakam a 1-year wonder?

Never got the hype.

Post #2495 » by **Stanford** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:42 am

**** kyle lowry. Wowwwww

M2J · Post #2496 » by **M2J** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:26 am

Kobblehead wrote:
M2J wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Nah, retention maxes are never a good idea. Especially for ancillary players that can't score off the dribble in the halfcourt. He had better be super elite defensively to try to justify it and Pascal just isn't.

What team doesn't do it? Even the warriors gave that type of money to Draymond this year. They also did it for Russell, who have them another retention max player in Wiggins that fit their needs better and a first round pick. Now they have assets, and money to attach it to that can at least score.... In order to get better.

There are times when it doesn't make sense, but it's rare.

Of course you could always trade that player for cheap assets before you sign them, but I haven't seen too many times where that's gotten you more

Just because a lot of teams practice bad business doesn't mean it's good business.

Draymond has no value as an asset, atm. Washington had to salary dump Porter and they got nothing for him. Harris has no value as an asset.

DLo actually made sense to max, because while he isn't a great player, he can at least score off the dribble and carry a huge scoring load. Guys like that always have value as a positive asset. Role players that can't score off the dribble on max contracts almost always get salary dumped for no return.

Toronto is either stuck with Siakam as a max role player for the duration of his contract or they'll be forced to try to dump him later and probably get little in return.

I bring up the Warriors here, because Philly very much has similarities. The reason Draymond makes sense is because they had the home grown stars in Klay and Steph, just like Philly with Ben and Joel. When you want to win, you need talent and if you're willing to go over the cap (which you must in order to keep talent), it's necessary.

It's bad business, when you try to build a team from scratch off of it. But I don't think Pascal counts there still. He was a number 2 for Kawhi and won a title last year. An all star this year. You could get assets for that guy. If you don't like him, then what do you think of Ben Simmons? Yes, Ben can be elite defensively, but at least Pascal will take a 3, or try to have an offensive mindset sometimes in the half court, and try to get to the line. Seeing as Ben joins Pascal, Russell and Giannis as the all stars that may only be effective in transition.

I don't love Pascal as a player either, but he's a solid number 2, when you have a very solid 2b like Lowry. Plus he is still developing and actually getting better each year, unlike someone we know.

Otto Porter is a bad example. Reason being, he was grossly overpaid, not even on Tobias level at all. Considering Tobias is a consistent, efficient, 20,7,3 player and perfect number 3 guy with gravity at the 3pt line (whether he's taking them, or making them.... Creating space for others). The main reason Otto is a horrible example is because he was dumped for nothing as he basically became an unavailable injury prone player after the contract. Harris, has value as a lateral move asset foot a better fit type guy (though, I don't think they should unless it's for CJ), maybe even can get you a Lavine with another cheap asset or 2. That makes Tobias an asset.

Mik317 · Post #2497 » by **Mik317** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:38 am

there is more to running a team than just only sign good players. Even if Toronto thought Pascal wasn't that good, if they lowballed him, that gets around to other players and more importantly agents. So overpaying subpar homegrown talent is apart of the game...especially after some success with said subpar talent. Especially for some place like Toronto that doesn't attract FAs, can't be burning bridges like that.

76ciology · Post #2498 » by **76ciology** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:34 am

Remember when we use to laugh at Brogdon and tell ourselves Dario was better? Or when Ingram was closer to CBA than winning MIP?

Hold your horses. Siakam is just having a bad stretch. Check his numbers before the bubble he has a good sample size to say this is just a bad stretch.

Aussiepiston1 · Post #2499 » by **Aussiepiston1** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:20 am

Good win for Toronto hopefully they take Boston out next game so everyone shuts up about them haha
Also the lakers have bounced back against the rockets which goes to show that if we had someone like Lowry or Rondo we’d be on our way to the eastern conference finals.
I think even a trade of Horford/Milton for Gordon/Tucker would be enough.
Hopefully being bounced by the lakers will make them see they need Horford who could have contained AD and Milton could give you some of what Gordon has been giving.
We resign Burks to the mle and josh Jackson to the minimum.
Draft RJ Hampton and that would an exciting team to watch
Gordon/Burks/Smith
Richardson/Thybulle/Hampton
Harris/Korkmaz/Jackson
Simmons/Tucker
Embiid/Pelle
Simmons can play back up centre and hopefully make some jump shots haha

phillynative · Post #2500 » by **phillynative** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:27 am

Aussiepiston1 wrote:Good win for Toronto hopefully they take Boston out next game so everyone shuts up about them haha
Also the lakers have bounced back against the rockets which goes to show that if we had someone like Lowry or Rondo we’d be on our way to the eastern conference finals.
I think even a trade of Horford/Milton for Gordon/Tucker would be enough.
Hopefully being bounced by the lakers will make them see they need Horford who could have contained AD and Milton could give you some of what Gordon has been giving.
We resign Burks to the mle and josh Jackson to the minimum.
Draft RJ Hampton and that would an exciting team to watch
Gordon/Burks/Smith
Richardson/Thybulle/Hampton
Harris/Korkmaz/Jackson
Simmons/Tucker
Embiid/Pelle
Simmons can play back up centre and hopefully make some jump shots haha

You want to trade for eric gordon and start him at PG?