2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

Kobblehead · Post #2521 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:14 pm

Wiggins position depends on what team he goes to. For instance, the Bucks would probably plug him in at SG from the jump since Giannis is plugged in at SF. If both wings are unoccupied (like us), his best position is probably F.

freezito_74 · Post #2522 » by **freezito_74** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:20 pm

Can't wait till the draft is over. It's nerve wracking lol

Agnostifarian · Post #2523 » by **Agnostifarian** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:24 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Wiggins position depends on what team he goes to. For instance, the Bucks would probably plug him in at SG from the jump since Giannis is plugged in at SF. If both wings are unoccupied (like us), his best position is probably F.

Ok, I agree. I don't think Wiggins can have the offense run through him as a half court ball handler for awhile. Bring him off screens. Give him catch and shoot opportunities. Let him set up for the corner three and look for him on lob passes. If he ends up in Philly, I really like him at SF. He's a long way from being ready to dominate the ball on offense, IMO.

Kobblehead · Post #2524 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:50 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:Ok, I agree. I don't think Wiggins can have the offense run through him as a half court ball handler for awhile. Bring him off screens. Give him catch and shoot opportunities. Let him set up for the corner three and look for him on lob passes. If he ends up in Philly, I really like him at SF. He's a long way from being ready to dominate the ball on offense, IMO.

Given his skill level deficiencies, that Kawai Leonard-esch role you described is the ideal way to use Wiggins early-on in his career. You are 100% correct. The big problem is that that's what Bill Self tried to do and Andrew didn't seem to respond to it. That role lead to his fluctuating engagement level on both ends of the floor.

So the best way to get the most out of Wiggins is to turn up the heat on his competitive fire by giving him free reign to attack and do whatever he wants offensively. If that means throwing him out there to have a high failure rate in terms of turning the ball over, so be it. At least his engagement level will be elevated. And if he responds poor to that freedom and actually becomes more passive and less engaged, you know you made an absolute awful pick and this kid doesn't have the internal fire to be great.

Slacktard · Post #2525 » by **Slacktard** » Wed May 28, 2014 2:20 pm

freezito_74 wrote:Can't wait till the draft is over. It's nerve wracking lol

The thing I hate most about the NBA draft is that the league doesn't allow teams to allow to announce the trading of a pick and then another team going onto the clock. So there's an element of "Ok...So we drafted this guy. Is he REALLY our pick? Or is there a trade going to be announced later."

howiezbt · Post #2526 » by **howiezbt** » Wed May 28, 2014 2:42 pm

follow the twitter feeds. they are faster than the draft and tell you if players are traded. I use the hoopshype twitter feed for the sixers.

The more I think about it, the more I like Parker. To win in this league, you need elite offensive players. Parker is the elite offensive player pick. He also allows us to pick a shooting guard/ small forward at #10 where many of the PFs will be gone.

mksp · Post #2527 » by **mksp** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:05 pm

I haven't seen anything out there that changes my opinion on my board.

1. Embiid
2. Wiggins
3. Exum
4. Parker

I think you guys are still severely overrating Parker's offensive game. It's not strong enough to counter balance the fact he has no position (he cannot guard NBA small forwards).

Do y'all seriously believe Parker is going to average 25ppg in the NBA? His shot is still a work in progress, maybe not as much as Exum, but its not like he's an elite shooter yet. He's creative and crafty and skilled with the ball, but its also not like he dominated in college (albeit as a freshman).

My worst case scenario is still the Sixers picking Parker.

Embiid is not happening.

Wiggins is the dream.

Exum makes the most sense, he has length, athleticism and a high basketball IQ. He can get to the basket and even his shot has decent form. He can play off-guard with MCW, and even if he couldn't we'd be drafting the better player and asset. We can worry about fit later.

Kobblehead · Post #2528 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:13 pm

mksp wrote:but its also not like he dominated in college (albeit as a freshman).

Bulls***.

He dropped 20 or more points in nineteen of his thirty-five games as an 18 year old, scoring in single digits just twice.

He had a 28+ Player Efficiency Rating as an 18 year old.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #2529 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:14 pm

^MKSP?? Do you have some extensive knowledge on Exum? All i've found is sketchy videos of him playing against mediocre competition, and to me he looks like a clone of Michael Carter-Williams. He certainly seems like a talented player, but without knowing too much about him i'm personally not ready to rate him higher than Parker. Parker has shown that he can play, and play well against top flight competition.

Agnostifarian · Post #2530 » by **Agnostifarian** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:17 pm

Slacktard wrote:
freezito_74 wrote:Can't wait till the draft is over. It's nerve wracking lol

The thing I hate most about the NBA draft is that the league doesn't allow teams to allow to announce the trading of a pick and then another team going onto the clock. So there's an element of "Ok...So we drafted this guy. Is he REALLY our pick? Or is there a trade going to be announced later."

Waiting for the Lottery was much worse. I was afraid of losing that #10 pick! I'm trying not to get overly attached to #3 or #10, though. Hinkie is liable to change that up. What's the over/under on 76ers trades during the Draft, three? It won't be nerve wracking... Just rub your hands together and yell, "**** Yeah!"

James40 · Post #2531 » by **James40** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:19 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
mksp wrote:but its also not like he dominated in college (albeit as a freshman).

Bulls***.

He dropped 20 or more points in nineteen of his thirty-five games as an 18 year old, scoring in single digits just twice.

He had a 28+ Player Efficiency Rating as an 18 year old.

You're right, in the NBA he's gonna have way more possessions a game vs college, to think he can't score 3-4 fg's a quarter with his skill set is nuts.

Kobblehead · Post #2532 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:20 pm

I remembered getting pretty excited about a few of our 2nd round selections only to find out minutes later that the player was on the move.

Agnostifarian · Post #2533 » by **Agnostifarian** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:27 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I remembered getting pretty excited about a few of our 2nd round selections only to find out minutes later that the player was on the move.

How about for the player? Remember Nerlins, "We gonna have us a block party!"

James40 · Post #2534 » by **James40** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:30 pm

SixerFever215 wrote:Does anybody pay for a subscription to read Chad Fords articles on ESPN.com I'm asking because its a lot of tweets quoting him floating around the internet I don't know what to believe.

- 76ers have a legit shot at Wiggins with 3rd pick
- Wiggins has been 76ers top target all season
- Cavs have Embiid and Parker over Wiggins
- Milwaukee dosent have Wiggins in there top 2 on there draftboard
-As of yesterday Chad Ford said One of his Cleveland Souce says the Cavs hace told Wiggins was in the lead to be drafted #1 Then another Cleveland Source told him
The Cavs narrowed down there choices to Embiid or Parker

I'm confused I'm leaning towards not trusting Chad Ford one bit!

To be fair, no one thought the Cavs were going to pick number 1, including the Cavs, their draft board completely changed at the lottery. Also, what about Kyrie Irving? Will he sign a max contract or not? , what they think about him may also change who they draft or trade for on draft night.

42uptop · Post #2535 » by **42uptop** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:50 pm

Chad Ford is blowing smoke. there is no way he could know our draft board, and I think hinkie is smart enough to not put Wiggins as our "top target all season" despite all that has transpired. Hinkie himself said that our scouts haven't even finished their analysis yet

mksp · Post #2536 » by **mksp** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:08 pm

Its all happening....

Derek Bodner ‏@DerekBodnerNBA 13m
Today's Chad Ford update: #sixers are fans of Dante Exum, and he's in the mix if Wiggins is off the board. They think MCW/Exum could work.

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There's plenty of tape of Dante Exum available on YouTube. The DraftExpress scouting report is excellent.

Just a reminder: There is *literally* no difference between watching player on TV (Parker) and watching a player's game film on YouTube (Exum).

When I watch Exum I see a player with a elite length and quickness along with a high basketball IQ. He carries himself and plays like a star. Embiid, Wiggins and Exum are the only 3 players that have *STAR* potential.

Parker will very likely be an important piece on a good team, and he has a higher probability of hitting this ceiling than Exum does of becoming a superstar. But I'd rather take the shot on the upside potential of a guy like Wiggins/Exum over the safety run-of-the-mill scorer like Parker.

Kobblehead · Post #2537 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:14 pm

Embiid, Wiggins and Exum are the only 3 players that have *STAR* potential.

Inferring that Wiggins has star potential and Parker does not is just ill-informed.

How many stars were sub-22 PER guys their freshman year? Wiggins becoming a star would be precedent-setting. He would be overcoming temperament concerns, skillset concerns, and efficiency concerns. Making him one of the most accomplished prospects ever.

Parker does have star potential. Take away character red flags and injuries, and what player put up a 28+ PER as an 18 year old and wasn't at least a great player in the NBA?

joefrizzle · Post #2538 » by **joefrizzle** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:17 pm

The cops may be called to my house on draft night if we take Exum over Parker... I may hurt somebody

Hardcore6erFan · Post #2539 » by **Hardcore6erFan** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:24 pm

joefrizzle wrote:The cops may be called to my house on draft night if we take Exum over Parker... I may hurt somebody

Exum will be a superstar and top 5 player in 3 or 4 years.

joefrizzle · Post #2540 » by **joefrizzle** » Wed May 28, 2014 4:28 pm

Hardcore6erFan wrote:
joefrizzle wrote:The cops may be called to my house on draft night if we take Exum over Parker... I may hurt somebody

Exum will be a superstar and top 5 player in 3 or 4 years.

MAYBE as a PG, call me crazy, but Im not taking a SG who can not shoot, over a potential 25 PPG player in Parker.