SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

LongLiveHinkie · Post #261 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Wed May 30, 2012 7:28 pm

I doubt Deron comes here too, but they are going to have the most important component: money.

I'd rather be in the Sixers position than some team with no money that are trying to pull off a miracle by clearing salary and making a hundred other deals.

sixerfan1976 · Post #262 » by **sixerfan1976** » Wed May 30, 2012 7:59 pm

This is hypothetical.........just wanted to get some feedback on if you would do or not. I personally think the sixers need to add some bonafide stars if possible to make them more marketable.

I think the team is in a spot very similar to where Boston was before they added Allen and Garnett int hat they have a bunch of young players that teams covet. Its time to take the next step.

So these are two scenarios.............Asking if you would do A, B or neither....with the caveat that neither probably gets you say Kris Humphries and Wesley Matthews/Batum or something like that.

Both of these scenarios are ASSUMING that Deron Williams comes here because we acquired Dwight Howard.(Brand amnesty)

Assumption made: Orlando will not trade us Dwight Howard unless we take on the contract of Jason Richardson or Hedo Turkoglu

Trade 1) Trade Andre Iguodala, Jrue Holiday, Thad Young and Nik Vucevic to Orlando for Dwight Howard, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark

Gives you a base team(free agency would need to fill out depth)

Deron Williams
Jason Richardson
Evan Turner
Lavoy Allen
Dwight Howard

Trade 2) Tarde Iguodala, Turner, Thad and Nik for Dwight, Hedo and Clark

Gives you a base team of
Deron
Jrue
Hedo
Allen
Howard

Option C) Neither

LongLiveHinkie · Post #263 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:19 pm

I'd rather keep Jrue, so option B I'd highly consider.

I agree, they are in a very similar position Boston was. Will have cap room and a lot of young pieces to trade.

Mik317 · Post #264 » by **Mik317** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:20 pm

Dwight would want to play with Iggy so if he's the target Iggy would probably have to stay.

Same thing if we get Deron.

They would want to keep him instead of relying on younger guys.

JordanMars · Post #265 » by **JordanMars** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:31 pm

Yea sixer fan something is off about these deals because Deron and Dwight want to play with iggy and not the younger guys. Leading me to believe this is a very unlikely scenerio

The Sixer Fixer · Post #266 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:32 pm

Is Howard signing an extension with us in your hypothetical? That would be key.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #267 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:34 pm

JordanMars wrote:Yea sixer fan something is off about these deals because Deron and Dwight want to play with iggy and not the younger guys. Leading me to believe this is a very unlikely scenerio

I think he wants to play with Deron WAY more than Andre. I mean, I doubt he would say NO to the Nets if they didn't keep Gerald Wallace. Highly doubt that's a deal breaker.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #268 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:35 pm

If Howard signed an extension, I would do option 2. I'd rather ship Turner out and not Holiday. I think Jrue at SG could do very well next to Deron.

sixerfan1976 · Post #269 » by **sixerfan1976** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:37 pm

true on him wanting to play with Iguodala but what if Orlando really wants Iguodala back in the deal?

And we heard last year that ORlando wanted to dump salary in order to move Dwight so I thought that was a plausible scenario.

Me personally....I pair up Jrue and Deron in teh backcourt.

As for Dwight extending......well......yeah I guess that plays a huge part. But If he gets to go where Deron is...that would seem to give the Sixers a leg up.

Bring Back 1983 · Post #270 » by **Bring Back 1983** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:42 pm

I think the premise to SF's hypo (which I could see as very real) is that the new GM in Orlando demands cap relief in addition to players to trade Dwight. Since we would need to amnesty Brand to get Deron Williams, that would make it impossible to acquire Dwight without trading Iggy.

That being the case, I think Option A is the only realistic one since I don't see Orlando trading is best asset to wait and get the answer to the question the Sixers looked for the last year - whether Turner and Iguodala could effectively play with each other in large stretches. I also think that while D-Will and D-Ho would prefer to Iggy being here, I think they would get over that to play with each other if the roster is otherwise filled out competently.

However, if Orlando's new GM sips the sauce before hitting the "trade accepted' button, you take Option B and run.

The Sixer Fixer · Post #271 » by **The Sixer Fixer** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:46 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:As for Dwight extending......well......yeah I guess that plays a huge part. But If he gets to go where Deron is...that would seem to give the Sixers a leg up.

Agree, but if you are giving up young assets AND taking on a bad contract, he has to re-sign here before the deal is finalized for me. I mean, I think you could survive if he walked as a FA and you had tons of cap space as a result...but if you are taking a large bad contract like Hedo's too, and Howard walks, you are F'd for 2 more years. That I would not sign off as the GM unless I wanted to be fired.

Eellsy27 · Post #272 » by **Eellsy27** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:51 pm

I would reather keep Jrue over Turner, but i really don't want hedo...... Maybe someting like Iggy,Turner,Thad,Nik,#15 for Howard,Rich and Duhon......

Bring Back 1983 · Post #273 » by **Bring Back 1983** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:54 pm

One more thought - if it became apparent that Dwight did not like the fit with the roster, what would stop us from dropping him at the trade deadline for a quality starter and a pick? You wouldn't get the value you traded away to get him, but you wouldn't be empty handed either.

I also agree that I would much rather have J-Rich than Hedo, but I don't know if you could force that issue.

sixerfan1976 · Post #274 » by **sixerfan1976** » Wed May 30, 2012 8:56 pm

once again....this is just talk......prob should be in another thread..but we are bored and want to talk sixers so i came up with these scenarios...hopefully action heats up after draft lottery.

Sixersftw · Post #275 » by **Sixersftw** » Wed May 30, 2012 9:02 pm

Deron/Jrue/ Hedo/Lavoy/Dwight is doable but our bench would be extremely thin and we would have no way of restocking it. I'd probably just pull the trigger still because you have five years to find something that works w/ the two top 10 players. I'd be hard pressed to take on that kind of salary and give up pretty much the farm though.

Kova · Post #276 » by **Kova** » Wed May 30, 2012 9:15 pm

Look, the base of Deron-Iggy-Howard makes you a contender instantly.. If it happens I don't really care how we fill up empty spots..

Sure I'd like to keep Jrue, or Evan, or both, but that's highly doubtful if you get Deron and Dwight..

sixersreal · Post #277 » by **sixersreal** » Wed May 30, 2012 9:17 pm

sixersreal wrote:Sixerfan, thanks for the info, can you answer some questions?
If none of this D-Will D12 works out
1) Is there any shot at Hibbert or Bynum? Thad + Turner + Vuc + picks can make it happen or no shot at all?
2) You mentioned James Harden, how FO whats to get him? He's really great for us, but i thought he's under contract till 2013 summer.
3) You said they are scared to sign Eric Gordon because of injury, that means no shot at him, or they will see during summer? He seems to be really perfect fit for Doug Collins as a SG.

ankle420breaker · Post #278 » by **ankle420breaker** » Wed May 30, 2012 9:18 pm

Sixersftw wrote:Deron/Jrue/ Hedo/Lavoy/Dwight is doable but our bench would be extremely thin and we would have no way of restocking it. I'd probably just pull the trigger still because you have five years to find something that works w/ the two top 10 players. I'd be hard pressed to take on that kind of salary and give up pretty much the farm though.

Wouldn't be THAT worried about depth if we land Deron AND Dwight. Usually solid veterans and decent role-player free agents will follow.

If you build it, they will come.

sixersreal · Post #279 » by **sixersreal** » Wed May 30, 2012 9:30 pm

I would do all that D-Will D12 in a heartbeat but just in order if D12 will stay for sure, I don't even want him to be here and think the hole season, and make our team look like a mess. Look what he did to Otis and Orlando.

jdimaggio555 · Post #280 » by **jdimaggio555** » Wed May 30, 2012 10:17 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:once again....this is just talk......prob should be in another thread..but we are bored and want to talk sixers so i came up with these scenarios...hopefully action heats up after draft lottery.

Sixerfan,

Everything I've read or heard on TV/radio seems to indicate that Deron and Howard only want to play in Brooklyn or for the Lakers. Have the Sixers every gotten any indication that either player would be open to coming here? While I agree with you 100% that the sixers are in a similar situation to the Celtics before the big 3 and that they should trade some of their young assets to acquire legit superstars, I just don't think it is going to happen.