Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[76ciology]

The only narrative I can buy into is BC think big time FA would want to play with Teague, Simmons, Biid and Jah (sick team BTW).

Other than that, I don't see Teague being a good fit with our window. Altho, I think teague would really suit well with how we play right now.

[Skates]

Outsiders perspective - bad deal. He's a rental and his age doesn't fit your success window. I can see Colangelo doing it though. Especially if you guys are throwing in Stauskas and Covington, as per wiretap, you'd be getting fleeced.

I can only speak for the Bulls, but we would immediately offer you a combination of McDermott/Portis/Felicio/#14/Kings pick etc. for Noel.

Bryan Colangelo is sitting on a gold mine of assets and has a track record of short-sighted moves. If I were an NBA GM I'd have BC on speed dial before the fire sale is over.

What was the consensus among you guys on the Hinkie firing?

Personally, I think it sucks and happened at the worst possible time. You're just starting to put the pieces together and hopefully get a healthy Embiid, then Colangelo comes around with a totally different gameplan.

Assuming Colangelo has an actual plan is very generous of you. We hated it, but could have handled it if they had brought in a better replacement. Even Ferry would have been better than this trash heap.

[Aussiepiston1]

Surely New orleans would be willing to give us the #6 pick for Noel which would be way better...... I'd even select Jaylen Brown with that if Murray was gone and tell stauskas to lose 20 pounds and move him to the 1 hahahaha roll out with
Stauskas/Brown/Simmons/Saric/Okafor with Embiid off the bench

[tk76]

What was the consensus among you guys on the Hinkie firing?

Personally, I think it sucks and happened at the worst possible time. You're just starting to put the pieces together and hopefully get a healthy Embiid, then Colangelo comes around with a totally different gameplan.

Why would the owners make the fans suffer through 3 years of historically bad basketball... only to bail on the rebuild just when it starts to pay dividends. If you are going to suffer like this, you might as well be patient to maximize the benefits of "the Process." Instead the owners and Colengelo's guaranteed thee team would "win now" even before they got the top pick.

[Chamberlainship]

Outsiders perspective - bad deal. He's a rental and his age doesn't fit your success window. I can see Colangelo doing it though. Especially if you guys are throwing in Stauskas and Covington, as per wiretap, you'd be getting fleeced.

I can only speak for the Bulls, but we would immediately offer you a combination of McDermott/Portis/Felicio/#14/Kings pick etc. for Noel.

Bryan Colangelo is sitting on a gold mine of assets and has a track record of short-sighted moves. If I were an NBA GM I'd have BC on speed dial before the fire sale is over.

What was the consensus among you guys on the Hinkie firing?

Personally, I think it sucks and happened at the worst possible time. You're just starting to put the pieces together and hopefully get a healthy Embiid, then Colangelo comes around with a totally different gameplan.

The consensus in Philadelphia was that Hinkie was a disgrace. Also, he wasn't fired. He quit.

However, I think the majority of this board had bought in to Hinkie and were sad to see him get a supervisor.

I guess the idea of getting Schroder instead of Teague is a non-starter with the Hawks. Damn. Would've been nice if Hinkie had picked one of Schroder, Steven Adams, or the Greek freak with either of the two picks he had that year.

[Winejk]

With Teague's contract status, only one year, I find it hard to believe it would take Noel and others (e.g. Covington and/or Stauskas) to complete the deal. Atlanta has to be throwing more in. If Atlanta doesn't throw more in, this is a huge PASS for me.

[tk76]

Hinkie was certainly divisive.

Here are poll results from Philly.com (the local paper- whose writers were rabidly anti-Hinkie.)

A small majority were pro Hinkie at the time of his departure (56%.) 62% were against the Colangeo Hire.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/poll/inquirer/374953401.html

Poll
Is Sam Hinkie’s departure good for the 76ers?
Yes 1000 (43.8%)
No 1281 (56.2%)

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/poll/inquirer/375145621.html

Poll
Is Bryan Colangelo the right choice to be the 76ers’ general manager?
Yes 327 (37.7%)
No 541 (62.3%)

[King Ken]

I will say this and leave it at that. Jeff is severely underrated by this message board. Severely.

He's a very good player for us. I can tell you his scouting report and you got a good player who should be good into his mid 30s with his playing style.

Smart player, versatile, good or very good at everything but great at nothing. Skilled. Talented. Great work ethic and really improved his PG skills in the last year substantially.

I have defended him and will continue too even as a Sixer if it happens. He will be an excellent fit and Simmons and Embiid will enjoy him as the PG.

If you are one of the those posters who thought Atlanta was going to give him away, you lost your damn mind. I told you this month's ago as well. Atlanta wanted value.

I have one question for you. Give me the scouting report on Stauskas at the end of the year. I stopped watching when Noel was out.

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[King Ken]

With Teague's contract status, only one year, I find it hard to believe it would take Noel and others (e.g. Covington and/or Stauskas) to complete the deal. Atlanta has to be throwing more in. If Atlanta doesn't throw more in, this is a huge PASS for me.

The NBA don't operate like this anymore.

It's all about extentions and full bird rights. I always found it silly when posters bring up contracts. Full Bird rights are king.

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[King Ken]

Teague will not extend his current contract for Atlanta or Philadelphia. He makes a fairly tame salary this year at about $8 million and in any kind of extension scenario his possible raises under the extension would be very limited. Unless he is hiding an injury, then playing out his deal and signing a new deal at more dollars and years is by far his best option. Hence, no extension deal will be in place and it would be a rental to the extent that he will hit FA next summer. Since he is not the caliber of player that Bird rights should matter we could just as easily wait till next summer and overpay him then without sending two (really two??) young assets to the Hawks.

It would be a great move for Atlanta getting an elite defensive center and at lest one cost controlled year of Covington to play the Demarre Carroll/Kent Bazemore role. Milsap is a nice compliment with Noel up front and if they keep Horfird they have a hellaciously good three man big rotation.

A team can use their cap room to go over the 150 according to the CBA. So he could extend for 5/100 if Philly has the cap room

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[Rjpscr]

im 50/50 on this. If we trade Noel and Embiid gets hurt again i know we would still have Okafor but we would be screwed in terms of rebounding and Defense and I do believe if we keep Okafor he could improve in those areas. I rather keep Noel for either a better deal or for the year to make sure Embiid could fully play.

[sixers23]

Bryan Colangelo is sitting on a gold mine of assets and has a track record of short-sighted moves. If I were an NBA GM I'd have BC on speed dial before the fire sale is over.

What was the consensus among you guys on the Hinkie firing?

Personally, I think it sucks and happened at the worst possible time. You're just starting to put the pieces together and hopefully get a healthy Embiid, then Colangelo comes around with a totally different gameplan.

The consensus in Philadelphia was that Hinkie was a disgrace. Also, he wasn't fired. He quit.

However, I think the majority of this board had bought in to Hinkie and were sad to see him get a supervisor.

I guess the idea of getting Schroder instead of Teague is a non-starter with the Hawks. Damn. Would've been nice if Hinkie had picked one of Schroder, Steven Adams, or the Greek freak with either of the two picks he had that year.

Lol so not true. Every poll have the change was 80 percent pro Hinkie at least

[NYSixersFan]

I like Teague...I don't mind that he's 28....but I don't like the fact you're going to have to pay him crazy money next off-season.

I would not make this trade

[Sportfan73]

I like Teague...I don't mind that he's 28....but I don't like the fact you're going to have to pay him crazy money next off-season.

I would not make this trade

I would probably give him a 4/80 extention at the most. Take out Covington, don't really care about nik and throw in 21 and I could swallow it. If we're trading Noel for Teague we sure as hell better bring in someone like Baldwin behind him to develop. Having 21, 24, and 26 would be able to get us high enough to get him or get a couple guys that fell.

[tk76]

With Teague's contract status, only one year, I find it hard to believe it would take Noel and others (e.g. Covington and/or Stauskas) to complete the deal. Atlanta has to be throwing more in. If Atlanta doesn't throw more in, this is a huge PASS for me.

The NBA don't operate like this anymore.

It's all about extentions and full bird rights. I always found it silly when posters bring up contracts. Full Bird rights are king.

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Bird Rights only matter if you are up against the cap. The Sixers are so far below the cap that it is a non-issue. And IIRC you can only have one player on your roster signed to a 5 year deal... and that is typically your franchise player. I sure hope BC does not view Teague as that guy. He is a slightly above mid-tier starting PG.

[Ericb5]

I like Teague...I don't mind that he's 28....but I don't like the fact you're going to have to pay him crazy money next off-season.

I would not make this trade

If he was signed for 3 years on a good deal I would like this.

Even if we have to sign him to a bigger deal I could live with it as long as he is paid like a 3rd or 4th best player on a team since we still need flexibility.

We can't sign him to a max deal, and we can't trade for him with out an extension. If he stays and is reasonable I like this.

He is a really good player, and would make us much better.


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[mksp]

Look at BC's track record with trades in TOR. This one would fit the profile.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/colanbr99x.html

Love this stuff. I forgot all about Nate Jawai. What a terrible trade.

Good lord he was awful.

Like, every name that he has ever transacted is somewhere between awful and mediocre, with the exception of Steve Nash.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Hinkie was certainly divisive.

Here are poll results from Philly.com (the local paper- whose writers were rabidly anti-Hinkie.)

A small majority were pro Hinkie at the time of his departure (56%.) 62% were against the Colangeo Hire.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/poll/inquirer/374953401.html

Poll
Is Sam Hinkie’s departure good for the 76ers?
Yes 1000 (43.8%)
No 1281 (56.2%)

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/poll/inquirer/375145621.html

Poll
Is Bryan Colangelo the right choice to be the 76ers’ general manager?
Yes 327 (37.7%)
No 541 (62.3%)

I haven't seen one poll ever where the majority were anti-Hinkie. He was far more popular than you would think. The haters were a vocal minority. Tom Moore's site had a poll recently that asked if you are happy Hinkie is gone and it was like 80% that said no.

[Ericb5]

I like Teague...I don't mind that he's 28....but I don't like the fact you're going to have to pay him crazy money next off-season.

I would not make this trade

I would probably give him a 4/80 extention at the most. Take out Covington, don't really care about nik and throw in 21 and I could swallow it. If we're trading Noel for Teague we sure as hell better bring in someone like Baldwin behind him to develop. Having 21, 24, and 26 would be able to get us high enough to get him or get a couple guys that fell.

Getting 21 would help to even out the value, but what are we going to do with 3 picks in the 20's?

We already are probably planning to trade one of them for a future pick or euro stash, so would that mean that we would have to do that for 24 and 26?

If he knows that he can do that then 21 is better than 24, or 26th obviously.


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[mksp]

Bryan Colangelo is sitting on a gold mine of assets and has a track record of short-sighted moves. If I were an NBA GM I'd have BC on speed dial before the fire sale is over.

What was the consensus among you guys on the Hinkie firing?

Personally, I think it sucks and happened at the worst possible time. You're just starting to put the pieces together and hopefully get a healthy Embiid, then Colangelo comes around with a totally different gameplan.

The consensus in Philadelphia was that Hinkie was a disgrace. Also, he wasn't fired. He quit.

However, I think the majority of this board had bought in to Hinkie and were sad to see him get a supervisor.

I guess the idea of getting Schroder instead of Teague is a non-starter with the Hawks. Damn. Would've been nice if Hinkie had picked one of Schroder, Steven Adams, or the Greek freak with either of the two picks he had that year.

This is a patently false statement.

Maybe among the mainstream sports media, but every single poll I saw indicated that actual fans were angry about Hinkie being pushed out.

Fans have very little faith in this FO right now, with good reason.