Welcome Tobias Harris

[76ciology]

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Semi ot: i watched the John wick 3. Didnt like all 3 movies, maybe just not for me. Feels like im watching a theatre play more than watching a movie. Like a man’s version of Les Miserables

Fool me once... What made you keep watching them?

They always say it’s good. And when they say its good, i always make sure to watch it. Just like in every movie

[youngcrev]

Semi ot: i watched the John wick 3. Didnt like all 3 movies, maybe just not for me. Feels like im watching a theatre play more than watching a movie. Like a man’s version of Les Miserables

Fool me once... What made you keep watching them?

They always say it’s good. And when they say its good, i always make sure to watch it. Just like in every movie

Yeah, but it's the same franchise, and the sequels aren't going to be much different from the original (usually you get a drop off in quality with rare exception).

You had to know exactly what you were getting into at this point, so I assume you must like them on some level. Or you're just a glutton for punishment (though I actually like that franchise).

[76ciology]

Fool me once... What made you keep watching them?

They always say it’s good. And when they say its good, i always make sure to watch it. Just like in every movie

Yeah, but it's the same franchise, and the sequels aren't going to be much different from the original (usually you get a drop off in quality with rare exception).

You had to know exactly what you were getting into at this point, so I assume you must like them on some level. Or you're just a glutton for punishment (though I actually like that franchise).

Went out of the movie theatre to get starbucks halfway during the movie. That i tell u.

P.S. that boban scene is probably one of the first fight scenes of the movie, so good thing i didnt miss it. Downside is, that fight scene is probably one of the lowest in the film.

Reminds me of that KAJ (Abdul Jabar) vs Bruce Lee scene

[Kobblehead]

I saw the first John Wick movie. It was entertaining and about what I thought it was going to be.

I'm confused about why critics have collectively decided to give this franchise the stamp of approval, though. What distinguishes a John Wick movie from the typical revenger action thriller? Critics have been panning and giving mixed reactions to those movies for decades yet John Wick is almost consensusly praised? I just don't get it.

And to stay on topic, why the hell was Tobias Harris dressed like Dr. Evil for the premier?

[youngcrev]

The unique fight choreography is what made John Wick stand out. The story is just there to give them excuse for it, and they treat it as such. It's like how porn is just setting up these scenarios so that you can get to the real action.

[smittybanton]

A) I am afraid that if we resign Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, JJ Redick (MLE) and Mike Scott (BE), that we have nothing left to address two glaring weaknesses, the absence of a pick and roll ballhandler for halfcourt sets who can also flare out and shoot when Ben is on the break, and an anchor for our second string defense and spot starter for Joel. I have a couple draft picks in mind for those roles, but that's not good planning, especially where we'll be picking.

B) I am afraid a team like Brooklyn with Russell, Dinwiddie and Levert would not only max out Tobias Harris, but also offer more than the minimum for Boban Marjanovic as a backup to Jarrett Allen. That would bring Harris closer to home, for a primary frontcourt scoring role, with his homeboy. They may even allow him more of his midpost game back (46% - 40%). Tobias being much younger than Jimmy may be less impressed with a 5th year, since he'll be worthy of a new deal in 4yrs if he stays healthy. Paying Boban may cost us Mike Scott.

C) However, I don't believe what Harris did for us is irreplaceable. For starters, if Mike Scott is worth $5m/yr or less, I don't think Harris is six times better than him, particularly for the role we are asking them to play. If Nikola Mirotic is due for $10m/yr, I don't think Harris is three times better than Mirotic.

D) As for addressing those two glaring weaknesses, I think Tomas Satoransky is an extremely skilled player who shoots plenty well enough to play off of Ben Simmons when Ben is on the loose, but also takeover halfcourt duties and run the pick and roll with either Ben or Joel. At 6'6, he is not a sieve defensively and also rebounds. I honestly think he is one of the most underrated players in the league. If he can be had for $10yr or less, I dont think Harris is three times better than him--although they play different roles.

E) Acquiring Nikola Mirotic and Satoransky for less than $20m allows the cap space to get who because of Joel's load management will be the most important backup center in the NBA: 6'11 Thomas Bryant Jr. He has the length and mobility to bother pick and roll offenses much better than Greg Monroe or Boban. He also has three-point range. Yet is only 23 years old.

With all due respect to Tobi and Bobi, I just feel the Sixers can build a deeper, more cohesive and modern unit by letting him walk and getting Mikola Mirotic, Tomas Satoransky and Thomas Bryant Jr in his stead (Redick-MLE, Scott-BE).

Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, Nikola Mirotic, Joel Embiid
Tomas Satoransky, Zhaire Smith, Mike Scott, Jonah Bolden, Thomas Bryant Jr.
Shamorie Ponds, Shake Milton, Matisse Thybulle, Mario Hezonja, Daniel Gafford

[eyeatoma]

Gross, please no to Mirotic.

[youngcrev]

A) I am afraid that if we resign Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, JJ Redick (MLE) and Mike Scott (BE)

Redick and Scott would be signed with bird rights. We'd still have our exceptions to add to the team.

As for your other plan, if you were to act as an under the cap team, you don't still get those same exceptions to sign players once you use up your cap space.

[PhilasFinest]

Bringing back Harris,Butler and Redick solidifies your core for the next few years.

A good GM/Scouting Dept should be able to fill out a decent bench with Zhaire Smith,Shake Milton,Jonah Bolden,5 draft picks and exceptions. We are also a destination for 1 year min veteran's looking to win and the buy-out market.

No way am I shelling out money for guys like Scott,Ennis and Boban.

[Sixerscan]

Feel like 90% of the people that don't want to resign our starters don't get how the salary cap works.

[FlyingArrow]

Sounds like the whole league wants Tobias. Why wouldn't we?

[sixers4real]

I say he signs with us only on 5-year max, or he gone for 4-year max to Brooklyn.

[youngcrev]

Do we really need to go the 5 year max route with him? If we put out the same contract that the other teams can, is he really gonna leave for the Nets/Jazz/Kings/Mavs/Pacers over what we have here?

[Sixerscan]

Do we really need to go the 5 year max route with him? If we put out the same contract that the other teams can, is he really gonna leave for the Nets/Jazz/Kings/Mavs/Pacers over what we have here?

Well, if you think he’s worth his max, do you really want it to only be 4 years? He’d only be 31 at that point, the cap will be a lot higher, he’ll be eligible for a 35% max. You may wish you had an extra year before you have to think about giving him another deal at that point.

I’m less concerned about the extra year than I am with the extra year over year raises we could potentially do.

[FlyingArrow]

Do we really need to go the 5 year max route with him? If we put out the same contract that the other teams can, is he really gonna leave for the Nets/Jazz/Kings/Mavs/Pacers over what we have here?

Probably. He can have a bigger role on another team. Here he's part of a big 4. On another team he might be the #2 option and still be a playoff contender. More importantly, from a negotiation perspective, in order to try to force us into offering the full 5yr max he needs to be ready to go somewhere else.

[Sixerscan]

I predict that the Sixers resign Harris at 5/160. 32 million flat each year. 20 million more than he can get by signing a 4 year max with max raises elsewhere, Sixers get him for an extra year.

By the end of that contract the cap will be over 125 million, making his salary like 25% of the cap at that point.

[the_process]

I predict that the Sixers resign Harris at 5/160. 32 million flat each year. 20 million more than he can get by signing a 4 year max with max raises elsewhere, Sixers get him for an extra year.

By the end of that contract the cap will be over 125 million, making his salary like 25% of the cap at that point.

This is what I expect, as well.

[FlyingArrow]

I predict that the Sixers resign Harris at 5/160. 32 million flat each year. 20 million more than he can get by signing a 4 year max with max raises elsewhere, Sixers get him for an extra year.

By the end of that contract the cap will be over 125 million, making his salary like 25% of the cap at that point.

If it's 5/160 (or anything less than the full max), it's in the interest of both Harris and the Sixers to frontload it as much as possible instead of making it a flat amount each year. Tobias gets his money sooner, and the Sixers have (slightly) less of a luxury tax once they start paying Simmons the big bucks. Unless paying less this year lets them stay below the apron.

[Sixerscan]

I predict that the Sixers resign Harris at 5/160. 32 million flat each year. 20 million more than he can get by signing a 4 year max with max raises elsewhere, Sixers get him for an extra year.

By the end of that contract the cap will be over 125 million, making his salary like 25% of the cap at that point.

If it's 5/160 (or anything less than the full max), it's in the interest of both Harris and the Sixers to frontload it as much as possible instead of making it a flat amount each year. Tobias gets his money sooner, and the Sixers have (slightly) less of a luxury tax once they start paying Simmons the big bucks. Unless paying less this year lets them stay below the apron.

The “Max” refers to the amount you can pay someone in the first year of the contract, not the total number.

32 is basically the 30% max that Harris is eligible for so you can’t front load it anymore than that. He’d be getting the “max” the first year there just wouldn’t be raises in the years after that.

Keeping the salary stable year after year is basically what you are proposing here, since although the money would remain the same, the cap and tax would go up (also time value of money, inflation ect).

[youngcrev]

Do we really need to go the 5 year max route with him? If we put out the same contract that the other teams can, is he really gonna leave for the Nets/Jazz/Kings/Mavs/Pacers over what we have here?

Well, if you think he’s worth his max, do you really want it to only be 4 years? He’d only be 31 at that point, the cap will be a lot higher, he’ll be eligible for a 35% max. You may wish you had an extra year before you have to think about giving him another deal at that point.

I’m less concerned about the extra year than I am with the extra year over year raises we could potentially do.

Aren't the raises we can offer higher as well?

I don't think he's worth the max, I'm just fine with overpaying if that's the only way to keep. So I'd definitely prefer 4 over 5 years.

I'd be good with the 5th year at a flat rate like you proposed though.