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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#261 » by kriss73 » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:32 pm

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I agree with you. I don't get why we'd help out Presti without compensation.


We got a nice and useful 8.2M TPE out of that deal.
It could be interesting down the line.


We were always getting a TPE. But speaking of which, how doesn't Poirier's salary not cut into our TPE since our incoming is now more than it was before? I assume he is fitting into the TPE from the Richardson trade so we also just threw that away.


Yes I read that Poirier will be absorbed with the JRich TPE
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#262 » by BullyKing » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:33 pm

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zaz102 wrote:Per Bodner-

Inclusion of Poirier gets deep into cba nerd speak, but tl;dr:
- Allows OKC to function as team over cap, and not renounce their massive TPE. -Green+Ferguson alone wouldn't have matched salary.
- While still maximizing the traded player exception the Sixers will generate ($8.2m).

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I understand all of this stuff. This helps OKC and only OKC and costs the Sixers millions of dollars.

I assume taking Horford into the TPE was never a term of the trade. Poirier might have always been potentially in it.


It's the only explanation but weird that it wouldn't have been reported originally. Sigh. Just another belated gift from cleaning up Elton's mess I guess.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#263 » by LloydFree » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:36 pm

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I agree with you. I don't get why we'd help out Presti without compensation.
Per Bodner-

Inclusion of Poirier gets deep into cba nerd speak, but tl;dr:
- Allows OKC to function as team over cap, and not renounce their massive TPE. -Green+Ferguson alone wouldn't have matched salary.
- While still maximizing the traded player exception the Sixers will generate ($8.2m).

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I understand all of this stuff. This helps OKC and only OKC and costs the Sixers millions of dollars.

... And it's going to cost us extra assets to get rid of both Porier and Ferguson at the trade deadline, when we're inevitably attempting to lower the tax bill for the year.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#264 » by BullyKing » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:38 pm

LloydFree wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
zaz102 wrote:Per Bodner-

Inclusion of Poirier gets deep into cba nerd speak, but tl;dr:
- Allows OKC to function as team over cap, and not renounce their massive TPE. -Green+Ferguson alone wouldn't have matched salary.
- While still maximizing the traded player exception the Sixers will generate ($8.2m).

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I understand all of this stuff. This helps OKC and only OKC and costs the Sixers millions of dollars.

... And it's going to cost us extra assets to get rid of both Porier and Ferguson at the trade deadline, when we're inevitably attempting to lower the tax bill for the year.


Correct. So add another couple seconds to the cost of this trade which I was already pretty meh about to begin with.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#265 » by Sixerscan » Mon Dec 7, 2020 11:41 pm

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I understand all of this stuff. This helps OKC and only OKC and costs the Sixers millions of dollars.

I assume taking Horford into the TPE was never a term of the trade. Poirier might have always been potentially in it.


It's the only explanation but weird that it wouldn't have been reported originally. Sigh. Just another belated gift from cleaning up Elton's mess I guess.

Yeah might have been something where if OKC ended up operating as an under the cap team they wouldn’t include him but no promises. One of the issues with having to agree to a trade on a delay.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#266 » by zaz102 » Tue Dec 8, 2020 12:00 am

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LloydFree wrote:
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I understand all of this stuff. This helps OKC and only OKC and costs the Sixers millions of dollars.

... And it's going to cost us extra assets to get rid of both Porier and Ferguson at the trade deadline, when we're inevitably attempting to lower the tax bill for the year.


Correct. So add another couple seconds to the cost of this trade which I was already pretty meh about to begin with.
I haven't been paying attention lately, but do expirings hold positive value? If so, maybe they can find something.

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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#267 » by HartfordWhalers » Tue Dec 8, 2020 12:20 am

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BullyKing wrote:
zaz102 wrote:Per Bodner-

Inclusion of Poirier gets deep into cba nerd speak, but tl;dr:
- Allows OKC to function as team over cap, and not renounce their massive TPE. -Green+Ferguson alone wouldn't have matched salary.
- While still maximizing the traded player exception the Sixers will generate ($8.2m).

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I understand all of this stuff. This helps OKC and only OKC and costs the Sixers millions of dollars.

I assume taking Horford into the TPE was never a term of the trade. Poirier might have always been potentially in it.


I assume this, the Poirier contract is basically the least that could be added and do it with matching, and OKC took him cheap from Boston.

But I think Philly is going to bleed a good second to get rid of some of his gtd salary.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#268 » by 51X3RF4N » Tue Dec 8, 2020 1:07 am

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BullyKing wrote:
I understand all of this stuff. This helps OKC and only OKC and costs the Sixers millions of dollars.

I assume taking Horford into the TPE was never a term of the trade. Poirier might have always been potentially in it.


I assume this, the Poirier contract is basically the least that could be added and do it with matching, and OKC took him cheap from Boston.

But I think Philly is going to bleed a good second to get rid of some of his gtd salary.
Could they turn around and send Poirier and Ferguson in a deal together, like say to a team needing depth at Center such as Houston?

PJ Tucker for Ferguson and Poirier might work?

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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#269 » by spikeslovechild » Tue Dec 8, 2020 1:30 am

51X3RF4N wrote:
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Sixerscan wrote:I assume taking Horford into the TPE was never a term of the trade. Poirier might have always been potentially in it.


I assume this, the Poirier contract is basically the least that could be added and do it with matching, and OKC took him cheap from Boston.

But I think Philly is going to bleed a good second to get rid of some of his gtd salary.
Could they turn around and send Poirier and Ferguson in a deal together, like say to a team needing depth at Center such as Houston?

PJ Tucker for Ferguson and Poirier might work?

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The trade isn't official until december 8 I think so we have had enough time to make it a three way or simultaneous trade for another player but have yet to do so which means Morey intends for the players traded to stick around for the foreseeable future (they will have recently traded restrictions)
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#270 » by ckchen » Tue Dec 8, 2020 3:36 am

BullyKing wrote:
zaz102 wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
I agree with you. I don't get why we'd help out Presti without compensation.
Per Bodner-

Inclusion of Poirier gets deep into cba nerd speak, but tl;dr:
- Allows OKC to function as team over cap, and not renounce their massive TPE. -Green+Ferguson alone wouldn't have matched salary.
- While still maximizing the traded player exception the Sixers will generate ($8.2m).

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I understand all of this stuff. This helps OKC and only OKC and costs the Sixers millions of dollars.


I think the issue here is that you're assuming that Poirier wasn't always in the deal from the very beginning. Some French site has been saying he was part of the trade basically since after the draft, so your assumption that we're doing this only to help OKC seems to preclude the fact that he was just always part of the deal, and taking him on was always part of the cost of OKC trading for Horford.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green and Poirier 

Post#271 » by the_process » Tue Dec 8, 2020 3:03 pm

ckchen wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
zaz102 wrote:Per Bodner-

Inclusion of Poirier gets deep into cba nerd speak, but tl;dr:
- Allows OKC to function as team over cap, and not renounce their massive TPE. -Green+Ferguson alone wouldn't have matched salary.
- While still maximizing the traded player exception the Sixers will generate ($8.2m).

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I understand all of this stuff. This helps OKC and only OKC and costs the Sixers millions of dollars.


I think the issue here is that you're assuming that Poirier wasn't always in the deal from the very beginning. Some French site has been saying he was part of the trade basically since after the draft, so your assumption that we're doing this only to help OKC seems to preclude the fact that he was just always part of the deal, and taking him on was always part of the cost of OKC trading for Horford.


The initial reporting probably missed it because OKC had to trade for him from Boston first.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#272 » by mithrandir17 » Tue Dec 8, 2020 3:10 pm

Trade is officially done.

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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#273 » by BullyKing » Tue Dec 8, 2020 3:13 pm

Did we cut Poirier yet?
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#274 » by Stanford » Tue Dec 8, 2020 4:08 pm

BullyKing wrote:Did we cut Poirier yet?


Daryl just welcomed him to the Sixers on twitter. Would be pretty bad form to immediately cut him.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#275 » by LloydFree » Tue Dec 8, 2020 4:09 pm

I don't understand what OKC is doing. They chose Maledon, when they already have S.G-Alexander. Maledon is a similar style prospect that plays the same position. Then they took another European stash Krejci, (who doesn't look like an NBA caliber talent, IMO) to play the same position. That doesn't even include the PG Milicic. If this is what they're going to do with all these draft picks, they're never going to be successful.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#276 » by LloydFree » Tue Dec 8, 2020 4:13 pm

Just last month, Porier was complaining in the media about not getting playing time with Boston. Maybe he gets discouraged by being traded twice since, and he retires.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#277 » by Kobblehead » Tue Dec 8, 2020 4:15 pm

I'd rather keep Pourier than have Bradley.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#278 » by Arsenal » Tue Dec 8, 2020 4:27 pm

We're out of roster spots now that Poirier was included in the deal. Who will we cut?

Poirier? Anderson? Ferguson?

Current depth chart:

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SG Green | Thybulle | Joe | Mathias(2)
SF Simmons | Kork | Ferg
PF Harris | Scott | Anderson | Reed(2)
CE Embiid | Howard | Bradley | Poirier
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#279 » by Negrodamus » Tue Dec 8, 2020 4:31 pm

LloydFree wrote:I don't understand what OKC is doing. They chose Maledon, when they already have S.G-Alexander. Maledon is a similar style prospect that plays the same position. Then they took another European stash Krejci, (who doesn't look like an NBA caliber talent, IMO) to play the same position. That doesn't even include the PG Milicic. If this is what they're going to do with all these draft picks, they're never going to be successful.


I feel like Maledon is a more natural shooter from distance than SGA while SGA is more athletic, longer, and physical getting to the basket. They do have a similar herky-jerky style to their game though.
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Re: Horford to OKC For Green 

Post#280 » by the_process » Tue Dec 8, 2020 6:27 pm

Final deal looks a lot like Morey used eating a couple small bad contracts and rights to an overseas guy in lieu of another pick.

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