So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[76ciology]

When we missed on kawhi, by not trading Ben. I never thought Harden would be available.

Now that we have missed on Harden, which MVP caliber player do you think will be available down the road?

Beal and Lavine are not MVP caliber players btw.

I say Giannis, but its a long shot. My reasoning is, Bucks f’d up with the Jrue trade. And if he’s really looking to win, he should ask for a trade.

Just seems to me a lot of the superstars are busy competing and wont ask for a trade. Most of them are also on their 30s.

Below 30s superstar who are they? Embiid, Giannis, Doncic then who?

[sixers4real]

There is no other clear superstar that fits. Is Beal a clear superstar? I guess you could call him that given that he's the lead leading scorer. Is Lavine? Or do you mean someone like McCollum, or if you're talking actual superstar, Lillard. Who else is there?

Lillard is the obvious superstar that can be available soon and I would trade Simmons +++ for him.

Booker is another player in that conversation. Not that great of a player as Lillard, but considering age, I would trade Simmons +++ for him.

Then comes Beal, Lavine and McCollum.
Would I trade Simmons + picks + Maxey + Thybulle for any of Beal, Lavine or McCollum? No. Mostly because I believe in Shake Milton or Maxey developing in lite version of these players.

But I for sure would trade Harris, 2 1st round picks, 2 swaps and Thybulle for them.

Yeah got to say I agree. Although I wouldn't hate it if Simmons was traded for Beal. Probably not Lavine. But that package you mentioned looks like it could work.

Who would you be giving up for LIllard? Simmons, Thybulle, picks? Woudl you includes one of Shake,Maxi, Joe?

Simmons for Beal straight up you mean? No question. But Simmons +++ for Beal is not that attractive to me, but I’d let Morey decide lol.

Regarding the Lillard package:
Simmons + 2 FRP + 2 swaps + Maxey + Thybulle.

[elchengue20]

We have to trade for Lavine before it's too late.

[76ciology]

We have to trade for Lavine before it's too late.

At this point, it’s late. I think you need for Lavine to cool down and Ben to recover.

[51X3RF4N]

I think it's time to unleash Shake Milton.

Maxey is good, but not quite there yet. Keep bringing him off the bench behind Curry.

But Shake needs to be playing starters minutes and given the freedom to go run 2 man game with Embiid or PnR, whatever.

If Shake can be an efficient scorer and get up to 23ppg or so, I think it changes everything.

If Isaiah Joe can give you some minutes off the bench hitting 3s, then I'd say find a vet SG who can bridge that gap off the bench and play D and hit 3s.

Like a Terrance Ross type.

That's move #1.

Then, find value for some of the expirings by taking on a good bench player who happens to be under contract for a few years such as Maxi Kleber. Matbe not exactly him but someone like him.

Build veteran role playing depth under long term contracts to find continuity off the bench to play alongside Maxey, Joe and Thybulle.

If Morey can work his way towards building a squad that features a deep bench who are all locked up for 3+ years, then this could turn into something special.

Having Korkmaz, Ferguson, Scott, Bradley, Howard, Poirier, and Green all expiring sounds nice from a cap perspective but leaves very little depth for future seasons.

I would look to find some of those role player types at the SG/SF, PF, and C positions and see what it costs to go get them.

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[XtremeDunkz]

I won't lie....

Seeing what Harden is doing on the Nets is making me sad.

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[eyeatoma]

I won't lie....

Seeing what Harden is doing on the Nets is making me sad.

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I cry every day watching them.

[76ciology]

Two kinds of teams in this league.

Serious contenders and farm teams.

Farm teams develop their prospects then once their contract is up, they ask to go to serious contenders. Most of these contenders are the usual suspects for FA destinations.

Not always the case. But its more often than not.

You look at our team and ask which kind are we.

[76ciology]

I won't lie....

Seeing what Harden is doing on the Nets is making me sad.

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Did you watch their game tonight?

There’s just no way how to stop them on transition.

Given you can’t use your body to slow them down, or else it’s a foul.

Then you need multiple guys to defend one of them.

If Harden is going downhill, multiple guys will collapse. If you miraculously was able to deny him. He kick it out to KD. There’s no way you can close out KD. So you again call for multiple guys on KD, then KD kicks it out to Joe Harris.

Their offense is just so good, DeAndre Jordan was just casually playing defense.

[sixers4real]

I won't lie....

Seeing what Harden is doing on the Nets is making me sad.

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Did you watch their game tonight?

There’s just no way how to stop them on transition.

Given you can’t use your body to slow them down, or else it’s a foul.

Then you need multiple guys to defend one of them.

If Harden is going downhill, multiple guys will collapse. If you miraculously was able to deny him. He kick it out to KD. There’s no way you can close out KD. So you again call for multiple guys on KD, then KD kicks it out to Joe Harris.

Their offense is just so good, DeAndre Jordan was just casually playing defense.

Yeah, they looked great on offence. But I think once Irving comes back and they lose here and there, it's going to change. I still have Clippers and Lakers over them.

[DCasey91]

Nets are the clear cut threat to the Lakers.

If I was the GM I’d trade Irving & dinwiddie so fast and try and get a defensive role players, a young player and a pick or two.

Nets have all the firepower they ever need with Durant/Harden and Harris as the sniper. That’s how valuable an individual offensive jugernaught can bring to the table. That fact gets greatly lost with the analytics/ media or fans opinions.

They have two

Don’t need a third at all

Shamet and TLC are unplayable though TLC has the length to be an acceptable defender but he’s a fair way off that.

Fix up the bench/add defensive options and it’s 100% a championship quality team.

I allude to this because of who they versed, the bucks. Now the game seemed close but in reality it wasnt.

Nets can handle the bucks no question. Giannis is light years ahead of Ben and look at what happened down the stretch.

Middleton/Holiday/Connaughton, is that championship worthy?

Harris/Curry/Milton when Embiid is covered.

Harden
Brown
Harris
Durant
Jordan

That’s a real big threat

[sixers4real]

Nets are the clear cut threat to the Lakers.

If I was the GM I’d trade Irving & dinwiddie so fast and try and get a defensive role players, a young player and a pick or two.

Nets have all the firepower they ever need with Durant/Harden and Harris as the sniper. That’s how valuable an individual offensive jugernaught can bring to the table. That fact gets greatly lost with the analytics/ media or fans opinions.

They have two

Don’t need a third at all

Shamet and TLC are unplayable though TLC has the length to be an acceptable defender but he’s a fair way off that.

Fix up the bench/add defensive options and it’s 100% a championship quality team.

I allude to this because of who they versed, the bucks. Now the game seemed close but in reality it wasnt.

Nets can handle the bucks no question. Giannis is light years ahead of Ben and look at what happened down the stretch.

Middleton/Holiday/Connaughton, is that championship worthy?

Harris/Curry/Milton when Embiid is covered.

Harden
Brown
Harris
Durant
Jordan

That’s a real big threat

So what’s the pivot?

[agiaco]

I say Giannis, but its a long shot. My reasoning is, Bucks f’d up with the Jrue trade. And if he’s really looking to win, he should ask for a trade.

They gave up quite a few picks, but that trade is exactly what the Bucks needed. Jrue is such an upgrade over their old back court in every facet.

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

Nets are the clear cut threat to the Lakers.

If I was the GM I’d trade Irving & dinwiddie so fast and try and get a defensive role players, a young player and a pick or two.

Nets have all the firepower they ever need with Durant/Harden and Harris as the sniper. That’s how valuable an individual offensive jugernaught can bring to the table. That fact gets greatly lost with the analytics/ media or fans opinions.

They have two

Don’t need a third at all

Shamet and TLC are unplayable though TLC has the length to be an acceptable defender but he’s a fair way off that.

Fix up the bench/add defensive options and it’s 100% a championship quality team.

I allude to this because of who they versed, the bucks. Now the game seemed close but in reality it wasnt.

Nets can handle the bucks no question. Giannis is light years ahead of Ben and look at what happened down the stretch.

Middleton/Holiday/Connaughton, is that championship worthy?

Harris/Curry/Milton when Embiid is covered.

Harden
Brown
Harris
Durant
Jordan

That’s a real big threat

I was listening to Raja Bell. He said that the way Suns play, they lure you to playing their game. And what made the Spurs beat them is they dictate the tempo.

If you think about the Nets, they like to lure you in a scoring battle. Like last night Bucks were trading baskets with them until the last possessions.

And in the end it’s KD hitting the big shot over Bucks relying on... Khris Middleton.

Man.. if we play them. I do expect them to lure Tobias to take those shots. Tobias would run 2 man games and DeAndre would just let him shoot those jumpers like how he did against Middleton. And Ben? They’d put KD on him and let KD’s freakish length provide help defense on Biid.

My point is, I do also think they should make some changes with their roster and play defense. But I also wouldnt be surprised if they just continue to make this game a scoring contest.

Why not? It’s what they overpaid for.

[Btothenelly]

I won't lie....

Seeing what Harden is doing on the Nets is making me sad.

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I cry every day watching them.

I 100% mean this. When I saw the woj teeet about the Brooklyn dead I legitimately felt worst than when Kawhi’s shot bounced in. It has been one of the worst feelings I’ve had watching spots my entire life. I feel ashamed almost, BUT IT WAS RIGHT THERE. I may never get over this until we win a title.

[skulky]

Lowry is pretty universally loved around here, but he’ll be 35 in a month or so. I’m not trading a first or Maxey or shake for him. Toronto is not taking Tobias’ contract for him, and sending Thybulle, Danny green/mike Scott expirings strips us all our wing depth.

I’d be torn if it was Ben for Beal. And I’d definitely prefer a deal for Lavine if you can get him without Ben.

[DCasey91]

Spoiler:

Nets are the clear cut threat to the Lakers.

If I was the GM I’d trade Irving & dinwiddie so fast and try and get a defensive role players, a young player and a pick or two.

Nets have all the firepower they ever need with Durant/Harden and Harris as the sniper. That’s how valuable an individual offensive jugernaught can bring to the table. That fact gets greatly lost with the analytics/ media or fans opinions.

They have two

Don’t need a third at all

Shamet and TLC are unplayable though TLC has the length to be an acceptable defender but he’s a fair way off that.

Fix up the bench/add defensive options and it’s 100% a championship quality team.

I allude to this because of who they versed, the bucks. Now the game seemed close but in reality it wasnt.

Nets can handle the bucks no question. Giannis is light years ahead of Ben and look at what happened down the stretch.

Middleton/Holiday/Connaughton, is that championship worthy?

Harris/Curry/Milton when Embiid is covered.

Harden
Brown
Harris
Durant
Jordan

That’s a real big threat

I was listening to Raja Bell. He said that the way Suns play, they lure you to playing their game. And what made the Spurs beat them is they dictate the tempo.

If you think about the Nets, they like to lure you in a scoring battle. Like last night Bucks were trading baskets with them until the last possessions.

And in the end it’s KD hitting the big shot over Bucks relying on... Khris Middleton.

Man.. if we play them. I do expect them to lure Tobias to take those shots. Tobias would run 2 man games and DeAndre would just let him shoot those jumpers like how he did against Middleton. And Ben? They’d put KD on him and let KD’s freakish length provide help defense on Biid.

My point is, I do also think they should make some changes with their roster and play defense. But I also wouldnt be surprised if they just continue to make this game a scoring contest.

Why not? It’s what they overpaid for.

Yeah Nets would smack us in the mouth I have no doubt about that.

Their gameplan was genius when they blew out the bucks in the third (TLC & shamet was so bad only reason bucks stayed close at all)

Harden/Durant naturally have half court games, (any type of game won’t matter for either lol) they stifled the Bucks transition offence by both the slower pace, & Bucket trading pace .Especially the maestro Harden just you know taking it down the court casually then doing what he does.

Don’t get into a scoring contest with either of them they are arguably 1/2 at getting a bucket together.

Middleton/Giannis vs Harden/Durant yeah nope it won’t be close.

The thing that all great players have is that they play with their own pace, they never look rushed or hurried and 99% are extremely composed. It’s very methodical.

[eyeatoma]

Ughgh, this better not be happening for bigger deals. Already heard that Doc said he wanted to keep Ben so that might have been the nail in the coffin on the Harden deal. Are we ever going to get a good trade if Doc keeps shooting things down. This is disappointing to read. Why did we hire Morey if he's not allowed to do his job. He's Doc's boss.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/nba-rumors-daryl-morey-several-sixers-trades-james-harden-bradley-beal-zach-lavine

[Stanford]

Ughgh, this better not be happening for bigger deals. Already heard that Doc said he wanted to keep Ben so that might have been the nail in the coffin on the Harden deal. Are we ever going to get a good trade if Doc keeps shooting things down. This is disappointing to read. Why did we hire Morey if he's not allowed to do his job. He's Doc's boss.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/nba-rumors-daryl-morey-several-sixers-trades-james-harden-bradley-beal-zach-lavine

There's no way this is true.

[DCasey91]

Ughgh, this better not be happening for bigger deals. Already heard that Doc said he wanted to keep Ben so that might have been the nail in the coffin on the Harden deal. Are we ever going to get a good trade if Doc keeps shooting things down. This is disappointing to read. Why did we hire Morey if he's not allowed to do his job. He's Doc's boss.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/nba-rumors-daryl-morey-several-sixers-trades-james-harden-bradley-beal-zach-lavine

Owner/Top management are enamored with Ben. Morey knows how good Harden is let’s not forget that.
Besides the Rockets GM was never going to take the deal using it as leverage (though I think our package was actually better down the line, ego gets in the way too much).

Owner do your job
I say let Morey do his job
Rivers do your job
A player like Ben should not have this much say. Both Brown and Rivers are still coddling him too much. It took a legit trade scenario to give him a much needed wake up call.

Jordan still hates Krause. Make no mistake Krause as the GM would have got us contending for the chip each and every year.

Rodman, Grant, Cartwright, kukoc, Harper, pippen are all high level GM moves.

The winter hire beforehand/Phil Jackson hire after firing Collins after the playoffs campaign is doing the team thing over a superstar. He was 1000% correct.

Didn’t win 2 exec of the year because of Jordan.

Look at the amount of vision/interest in Ben in our 76ers organization compared to a far superior player in Embiid. It’s very lopsided
Let Ben do this, Let Ben do that. Oh it failed well let’s keep tweaking and tweaking. Oops it got worse damn.

Do you know how capped you are when you cater to a player that is at 50% fg this year with the worst range in nba history (4.48 feet heck Fat Shaq had a far superior range and field goal% lol)


The pivot should be either

1. Go full lockdown defence (Grizzlies on steroids)
With two Elite defensive perimiter/Interior talents maybe that’s the way. The huge problem though then is it’s mainly half court bball which Ben’s no good at.
(which should have been the plan from the beginning not sure if anyone knows this but we have a MVP/DPOY center that doesn’t come around often
)

Or 2. Get an elite perimeter threat Embiid/Beal and work around that.

Either way you still need an elite threat to pair with Embiid, committee does not work.