Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

eyeatoma · Post #261 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 12:13 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:I'd much rather hold out through December in hopes of acquiring a disgruntled star than settle for the likes of Caris Lmaovert. That boy is one of the most overrated "young" players in the NBA, has been ever since I can remember. He misses a ton of games and has the impact of an average starter when he actually plays.

Ben Simmons is our *last* trade chip that can net us a star. Morey should be setting sky-high standards for any Simmons return. He wants a chip. Embiid wants a chip. We need a 1B to go with Embiid's 1A. That's how it's gotta happen IMO.

Have you thought about the line that if you hold, Ben tanks his own and market value by sitting out and none of the teams need him or even his value becomes even less on trade?

5-10 Blazers W/L
10-5 Blazers W/L

It’s less risk to short if the asset isn’t an asset anymore and becomes a liability.

His value can't and won't go any lower. Offers will still be there 20 games into the season. Some may disappear, but others will come up as teams get injured, have slow starts, etc. We should not be settling for JAGs like Brogdan and LeVert.

What's a JAG lol.

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DCasey91 · Post #262 » by **DCasey91** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 12:17 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:I'd much rather hold out through December in hopes of acquiring a disgruntled star than settle for the likes of Caris Lmaovert. That boy is one of the most overrated "young" players in the NBA, has been ever since I can remember. He misses a ton of games and has the impact of an average starter when he actually plays.

Ben Simmons is our *last* trade chip that can net us a star. Morey should be setting sky-high standards for any Simmons return. He wants a chip. Embiid wants a chip. We need a 1B to go with Embiid's 1A. That's how it's gotta happen IMO.

Have you thought about the line that if you hold, Ben tanks his own and market value by sitting out and none of the teams need him or even his value becomes even less on trade?

5-10 Blazers W/L
10-5 Blazers W/L

It’s less risk to short if the asset isn’t an asset anymore and becomes a liability.

His value can't and won't go any lower. Offers will still be there 20 games into the season. Some may disappear, but others will come up as teams get injured, have slow starts, etc. We should not be settling for JAGs like Brogdan and LeVert.

Don’t forget the pick.

Who knows the market may eat itself we have been receiving offers, start of the season is like ten days away. Some team could get ansty pansty namely the Wolves.

Kobblehead · Post #263 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 12:22 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
Have you thought about the line that if you hold, Ben tanks his own and market value by sitting out and none of the teams need him or even his value becomes even less on trade?

5-10 Blazers W/L
10-5 Blazers W/L

It’s less risk to short if the asset isn’t an asset anymore and becomes a liability.

His value can't and won't go any lower. Offers will still be there 20 games into the season. Some may disappear, but others will come up as teams get injured, have slow starts, etc. We should not be settling for JAGs like Brogdan and LeVert.
What's a JAG lol.

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eyeatoma · Post #264 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 12:26 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
His value can't and won't go any lower. Offers will still be there 20 games into the season. Some may disappear, but others will come up as teams get injured, have slow starts, etc. We should not be settling for JAGs like Brogdan and LeVert.
What's a JAG lol.

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Derogatory acronym for players that are unspecial. Just A Guy.

Ah thanks.

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ProcessDoctor · Post #265 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 12:55 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
Have you thought about the line that if you hold, Ben tanks his own and market value by sitting out and none of the teams need him or even his value becomes even less on trade?

5-10 Blazers W/L
10-5 Blazers W/L

It’s less risk to short if the asset isn’t an asset anymore and becomes a liability.

His value can't and won't go any lower. Offers will still be there 20 games into the season. Some may disappear, but others will come up as teams get injured, have slow starts, etc. We should not be settling for JAGs like Brogdan and LeVert.
What's a JAG lol.

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Just a guy.

JRoy · Post #266 » by **JRoy** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 1:13 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
His value can't and won't go any lower. Offers will still be there 20 games into the season. Some may disappear, but others will come up as teams get injured, have slow starts, etc. We should not be settling for JAGs like Brogdan and LeVert.
What's a JAG lol.

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Just a guy.

Ham and Egger

GutUNC · Post #267 » by **GutUNC** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 2:07 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Well Brogdon and LeVert and Simmons are all from the same draft class.

Brogdon played 297 RS games
LeVert played 260 RS games
Simmons played 275 RS games

Brogdon has missed less games than Simmons. Simmons is closer to LeVert in games played.

LeVert did have that non-basketball issue reason for being out as well. Without that he doesn't look different from Simmons.

Not that I really have a dog in this fight, but all injuries are not created equal. Ben missed 82 games (possibly could have returned at the end of the year) due to a foot injury that has not affected him in any way since. He's been generally healthy since. I think he had a back injury and can't remember anything else. Brogdon seems to have soft tissue issues constantly throughout his career and LeVert seems to have perpetual issues with his feet.

Injuries happen when they happen. Chronic or re-occurring injuries matter though.

Including Simmons redshirt year in those numbers is intellectually dishonest and I think you know that.

There is absolutely no question who on that list is injury prone and who isn't.

GutUNC · Post #268 » by **GutUNC** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 2:17 pm

Rastas wrote:Yaaaaaa onward to Part 7
More of the same
Trade this trade that, some want some hate.
Still Morey will do nothing.

He's not going to do "something" until the trade is executed. This isn't a sculpture you're going to see progress over time.

Rastas · Post #269 » by **Rastas** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 2:56 pm

JRoy wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:What's a JAG lol.

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Just a guy.

Ham and Egger

1 Bacon double cheese for 2 Ham n Eggers thanks

JRoy · Post #270 » by **JRoy** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 2:58 pm

Rastas wrote:
JRoy wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
Just a guy.

Ham and Egger

1 Bacon double cheese for 2 Ham n Eggers thanks

That’s the trade everyone wants.

76ciology · Post #271 » by **76ciology** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 3:24 pm

Do you still have your Simmons jersey and you dont know what to do with it?

Spoiler:

Kobblehead · Post #272 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 4:38 pm

I'm not a jersey wearer, but I can't imagine buying a jersey of a guy who can't drop 20. That's like buying a jersey of a non-1000 yard receiver, or non-1000 yard RB.

I liken wearing a Ben Simmons jersey to wearing a James Thrash or Correll Buckhalter jersey.

ProcessDoctor · Post #273 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 4:40 pm

The other player we need to keep our eyes on - James Harden.

Imagine if Brooklyn gets off to a sub-500 start amidst this Kyrie drama? Harden is at the point where he just wants to play basketball and win.

stormi · Post #274 » by **stormi** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 4:41 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I'm not a jersey wearer, but I can't imagine buying a jersey of a guy who can't drop 20. That's like buying a jersey of a non-1000 yard receiver, or non-1000 yard RB.

I liken wearing a Ben Simmons jersey to wearing a James Thrash or Correll Buckhalter jersey.

The Rodman 91 is one of the most popular jerseys ever and he's a career like 7 ppg guy lol

Kobblehead · Post #275 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 4:49 pm

stormi wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I'm not a jersey wearer, but I can't imagine buying a jersey of a guy who can't drop 20. That's like buying a jersey of a non-1000 yard receiver, or non-1000 yard RB.

I liken wearing a Ben Simmons jersey to wearing a James Thrash or Correll Buckhalter jersey.

The Rodman 91 is one of the most popular jerseys ever and he's a career like 7 ppg guy lol

Nutjobs with an offcourt gimmick are an exception to the rule.

mg · Post #276 » by mg » Sat Oct 9, 2021 4:49 pm

stormi wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I'm not a jersey wearer, but I can't imagine buying a jersey of a guy who can't drop 20. That's like buying a jersey of a non-1000 yard receiver, or non-1000 yard RB.

I liken wearing a Ben Simmons jersey to wearing a James Thrash or Correll Buckhalter jersey.

The Rodman 91 is one of the most popular jerseys ever and he's a career like 7 ppg guy lol

The Worm won 5 NBA championships though.

Kobblehead · Post #277 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 4:50 pm

I could also make an exception for a super charismatic guy. Like say Draymond, for instance. Not sure why a Golden State fan would wear any jersey other than Steph or Klay, though.

Bottom line, rock jerseys of the main even playas, not the undercarders.

Skates · Post #278 » by **Skates** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 5:16 pm

Not a full fledged jersey, but definitely have an old Dario Saric Sixers shirt, and believe in my heart that some day the Homie will return (in fairness it was a knockoff and only cost $10).

Interesting development in my household, where my son is the other huge Sixers fan and Simmons being his favorite player by a wide margin. He hadn't talked about if for a while, then finally did and basically said the Sixers have him by the cajones (I'm old, my kid is 18 and my youngest at that), who do you think we can get for him? I think he still likes him as a player, as do I, but would like him gone a lot better than anything at this point.

Post #279 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 5:52 pm

GutUNC wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Not that I really have a dog in this fight, but all injuries are not created equal. Ben missed 82 games (possibly could have returned at the end of the year) due to a foot injury that has not affected him in any way since. He's been generally healthy since. I think he had a back injury and can't remember anything else. Brogdon seems to have soft tissue issues constantly throughout his career and LeVert seems to have perpetual issues with his feet.

Injuries happen when they happen. Chronic or re-occurring injuries matter though.

Including Simmons redshirt year in those numbers is intellectually dishonest and I think you know that.

There is absolutely no question who on that list is injury prone and who isn't.

I was trying to make a point though. These guys have had injuries happen randomly and to call people injury prone when it's not connected to the same place is a mistake.

I see 3 guys who have had random injuries at different points in their career that have all balanced out to have missed a similar number of games. None of them have reoccurring or chronic injuries in the same place.

Sportfan73 · Post #280 » by **Sportfan73** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 6:09 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
76ciology wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Portland starts 5-10 you might.

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What happens if that does not happen? That’s what i think is worth discussing.

Then we wait till December or the deadline and get a deal done. If that's the deal, I'd much rather take CJ over LeVert/Brogdon. Hell I'd take a package from the Kings, who again will be bad. We might be able to get Fox. We could get Beal if they're bad. We could get Shai, if Morey ponies up more. If Bulls are bad (they actually look good), then we could get LaVine. I'll discuss those first as options instead of settling for two injury prone players, of which one has a stress fracture in his back now.

None of that aside from CJ is even remotely realistic. The kings package would be Hield, Barnes, and bags. Maybe you get lucky and get Mitchell, a 23 year old rookie defensive specialist. Lavine isn’t happening, there’s literally probably the same chance of trading for Steph as trading for shai after they extended him, and Beal is a massive flight risk to Boston if he gets traded anywhere, not to mention he has no desire too and that stuff 99 percent of the time doesn’t change until the offseason. It’s time for everyone here to stop laughing at people offering Dlo and a first or whatever garbage from their team until we stop brainstorming trades that would immediately end in the other teams GM losing their job at this point