Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[the_process]

Why would OKC trade Shai for Edwards? Seems like they want to make him the primary block to build around. If we would prefer Shai in a second, what makes anyone believe that Presti doesn't feel the same way?

Presti tried to trade Shai to move up and get Cade Cunningham. He doesn't view him as untouchable.

And Edwards allows OKC to tank for an extra year to stack talent. Shai, on the other hand, is just about ready to go win.

[the_process]

We need a tenant for our circus tent so trade the YS for FE

Fine, I’ll bite. FE?

Flat Earther

Ah. Got it.

[mjkvol]

Why would OKC trade Shai for Edwards? Seems like they want to make him the primary block to build around. If we would prefer Shai in a second, what makes anyone believe that Presti doesn't feel the same way?

Presti tried to trade Shai to move up and get Cade Cunningham. He doesn't view him as untouchable.

And Edwards allows OKC to tank for an extra year to stack talent. Shai, on the other hand, is just about ready to go win.

I understand that, but at what point does Presti begin to build a team? Not arguing with you, but it just seems like SGA is the perfect franchise cornerstone to build around.

[Tomjas]

Presti tried to trade Shai to move up and get Cade Cunningham. He doesn't view him as untouchable.

And Edwards allows OKC to tank for an extra year to stack talent. Shai, on the other hand, is just about ready to go win.

I understand that, but at what point does Presti begin to build a team? Not arguing with you, but it just seems like SGA is the perfect franchise cornerstone to build around.

They have other good pieces as well

It will happen sooner rather than later

[sixers4real]

That’s what I wrote September, 5, 2021.
And I still believe so. Get us Brandon Ingram.


To me, personally, for us to be contenders this year and during Embiid prime, I believe we have to make that type of Simmons trade where Maxey becomes our starting PG and develops in a star player. That’s doable.
We need wing player for a Simmons trade. Or assets that will eventually bring that type of player.

Harris is okay as a 3rd / 4th best player on a team, I know he’s getting payed more then that, but we are not changing that.

C - Embiid / Drummond / Bassey
PF - Harris / Niang / Reed

Wing - (Simmons trade), Green, Thybulle, Curry, Korkmaz, Joe, Springer

PG - Maxey / Milton

Offensive options :
1. Embiid
2. (Simmons trade)
3. Maxey
4. Harris

[76ciology]

Zion for Ben.

Zion wants to win now. Ben is a very patient guy.

Ben and Ingram looks like a good duo.
Biid and Zion is a better duo than Biid and Ben duo.

*can find 3rd team to ship Zion
*can compensate picks and Springer to make up for difference in value

[Tomjas]

Zion for Ben.

Zion wants to win now. Ben is a very patient guy.

Ben and Ingram looks like a good duo.
Biid and Zion is a better duo than Biid and Ben duo.

*can find 3rd team to ship Zion
*can compensate picks and Springer to make up for difference in value

Given our board’s interest in Ingram, I was thinking something similar

The Pelicans have no real need to move Ingram anytime soon

If they shipped Zion, they would get a mother load of assets in return and rid themselves of some of their junk plus the health risk

[76ciology]

Zion for Ben.

Zion wants to win now. Ben is a very patient guy.

Ben and Ingram looks like a good duo.
Biid and Zion is a better duo than Biid and Ben duo.

*can find 3rd team to ship Zion
*can compensate picks and Springer to make up for difference in value

Given our board’s interest in Ingram, I was thinking something similar

The Pelicans have no real need to move Ingram anytime soon

If they shipped Zion, they would get a mother load of assets in return and rid themselves of some of their junk plus the health risk

Yeah. Both Zion and Ben also have the same baggage that I think if you put them into the right environment, environment they want, they’d fix their baggage by themselves.

Also possibly a 3 way like..

Pels:
Ben Simmons
wolves 2022 pick
Sixers 2022 pick

Sixers:
Anthony Edwards

Wolves:
Zion Williamson
Jaden Springer

Something like that..

Or..

Pels:
Ben Simmons
kings 2022 pick
Jaden Springer

Sixers:
DeAaron Fox

Kings:
Zion Williamson

[strotorious]

Presti tried to trade Shai to move up and get Cade Cunningham. He doesn't view him as untouchable.

And Edwards allows OKC to tank for an extra year to stack talent. Shai, on the other hand, is just about ready to go win.

I understand that, but at what point does Presti begin to build a team? Not arguing with you, but it just seems like SGA is the perfect franchise cornerstone to build around.

The other possibility here is that OKC acquires Simmons to pair with SGA, instead dipping into their stash of picks to make the trade happen. Sixers fans should know better than anyone that acquiring picks is easy, but consolidating them into a roster with enough talent and fit is incredibly difficult and this might be an opportunity to do that.

OKC could get Simmons, give him the rest of the season to get his head straight while they tank one last time, then use next season to gauge his fit or pump and dump him in a trade for a real star. They have just enough cap space that they wouldn't need to send out salary, which gives them several options. It could be a two team trade where the Sixers get picks and a $33M TPE to use in another deal or it could be a three team with any team looking to acquire picks and shed salary.

[Eyeamok]

Is it against NBA rules for the 76ers or Klutch/Simmons to have open workouts with other teams, next season if he is not traded. To show he has got over his mental "issues" and is able and ready to play?

[mjkvol]

And Edwards allows OKC to tank for an extra year to stack talent. Shai, on the other hand, is just about ready to go win.

I understand that, but at what point does Presti begin to build a team? Not arguing with you, but it just seems like SGA is the perfect franchise cornerstone to build around.

The other possibility here is that OKC acquires Simmons to pair with SGA, instead dipping into their stash of picks to make the trade happen. Sixers fans should know better than anyone that acquiring picks is easy, but consolidating them into a roster with enough talent and fit is incredibly difficult and this might be an opportunity to do that.

OKC could get Simmons, give him the rest of the season to get his head straight while they tank one last time, then use next season to gauge his fit or pump and dump him in a trade for a real star. They have just enough cap space that they wouldn't need to send out salary, which gives them several options. It could be a two team trade where the Sixers get picks and a $33M TPE to use in another deal or it could be a three team with any team looking to acquire picks and shed salary.

Yeah, I have no doubt that Klutch and Simmons would be thrilled to land in Oklahoma. Not sure that Presti wants or needs that headache.

[the_process]

I understand that, but at what point does Presti begin to build a team? Not arguing with you, but it just seems like SGA is the perfect franchise cornerstone to build around.

The other possibility here is that OKC acquires Simmons to pair with SGA, instead dipping into their stash of picks to make the trade happen. Sixers fans should know better than anyone that acquiring picks is easy, but consolidating them into a roster with enough talent and fit is incredibly difficult and this might be an opportunity to do that.

OKC could get Simmons, give him the rest of the season to get his head straight while they tank one last time, then use next season to gauge his fit or pump and dump him in a trade for a real star. They have just enough cap space that they wouldn't need to send out salary, which gives them several options. It could be a two team trade where the Sixers get picks and a $33M TPE to use in another deal or it could be a three team with any team looking to acquire picks and shed salary.

Yeah, I have no doubt that Klutch and Simmons would be thrilled to land in Oklahoma. Not sure that Presti wants or needs that headache.

I think Simmons wants to be out of the spotlight. The comments made by him or on his behalf this summer confirm that. So I think the destination anxiety other teams are feeling is unwarranted. Ben wants out of Philly because his feelings are hurt. No other team has that issue. If Ben is ok with Sacto or Minny, OKC isn't going to bother him.

I would take a pick package from the Thunder to dump Simmons into their cap space. Then do whatever it takes to move off Tobias.

[Eyeamok]

The other possibility here is that OKC acquires Simmons to pair with SGA, instead dipping into their stash of picks to make the trade happen. Sixers fans should know better than anyone that acquiring picks is easy, but consolidating them into a roster with enough talent and fit is incredibly difficult and this might be an opportunity to do that.

OKC could get Simmons, give him the rest of the season to get his head straight while they tank one last time, then use next season to gauge his fit or pump and dump him in a trade for a real star. They have just enough cap space that they wouldn't need to send out salary, which gives them several options. It could be a two team trade where the Sixers get picks and a $33M TPE to use in another deal or it could be a three team with any team looking to acquire picks and shed salary.

Yeah, I have no doubt that Klutch and Simmons would be thrilled to land in Oklahoma. Not sure that Presti wants or needs that headache.

I think Simmons wants to be out of the spotlight. The comments made by him or on his behalf this summer confirm that. So I think the destination anxiety other teams are feeling is unwarranted. Ben wants out of Philly because his feelings are hurt. No other team has that issue. If Ben is ok with Sacto or Minny, OKC isn't going to bother him.

I would take a pick package from the Thunder to dump Simmons into their cap space. Then do whatever it takes to move off Tobias.

Ben wants the spotlight but not the heat. He wants the money but not the responsibility of being a #1 or #2 option. He wants to win as long as he can do what he is good at and nothing else is asked of him. So yeah a trade to a rebuilding teams where he can give them hope of a playoff appearance or where he can fade into the background at crunch time is perfect for him. Putting up big numbers on bad teams will suit him perfectly.

[Eyeamok]

Griffin would have to have monster stones to trade Zion. Despite his weight issues he is still talked about as a great talent. But along with being extremely talented this guy has shown a lack of self control when it comes to his weight. Which could have him out of the league sooner than later. But Griffin does not have the stones to trade Zion. He will go down with that ship.

[Negrodamus]

Scotto (from 10:50): "When I talk to other executives around the league about the situation with the Sixers, point-blank, nobody feels sorry for Daryl Morey around the league. They think his asking price is way too high, given the situation, coming off the playoffs. Teams know Ben Simmons doesn’t want to be there.... I’ve heard this from some executives, too, that when Joel Embiid was healthy and before their recent losing streak, this team was performing well without him. Some executives said to me it further in their eyes lowered the trade value for Ben Simmons."

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/qw3ikh/scotto_when_i_talk_to_other_executives_around_the/

Feels pretty expected. Ben's career is based off riding on Embiid's cape. Getting Dejounte Murray would be a steal for Ben.

[Zumramania]

During the 2018-19 season, Philadelphia 76ers general manager Elton Brand reportedly approached the team's ownership about potentially trading point guard Ben Simmons but was "immediately shut down."

Just remembered this, so sad. Elton went on to make some really bad moves after that, but if he were allowed to do it, we would have won a championship by now.

[76ciology]

Why are executives lowering the value of Ben?

Ben is a finalist for DPOY and is one of the leaders in 3pts assists in the league. We are now in a 5 game losing streak without Ben.

[kuclas]

Scotto (from 10:50): "When I talk to other executives around the league about the situation with the Sixers, point-blank, nobody feels sorry for Daryl Morey around the league. They think his asking price is way too high, given the situation, coming off the playoffs. Teams know Ben Simmons doesn’t want to be there.... I’ve heard this from some executives, too, that when Joel Embiid was healthy and before their recent losing streak, this team was performing well without him. Some executives said to me it further in their eyes lowered the trade value for Ben Simmons."

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/qw3ikh/scotto_when_i_talk_to_other_executives_around_the/

Feels pretty expected. Ben's career is based off riding on Embiid's cape. Getting Dejounte Murray would be a steal for Ben.

In Simmon's defense. The sixers have been able to perform .500 or better without Embiid and only Simmons playing. Though they played some pretty bad teams during the 10 games Embiid missed with the knee injury this last season. Simmons was still able to lead them to a 7-3 record (with all 3 losses coming against playoff teams (bucks, clippers, denver).

So this current 5 game losing streak. I think We would be at worst 3-2 had Simmons played.

But executives are right in that it's really Embiid that makes the sixers a good team. If Simmons played the entire season with no Embiid. Sixers probably still make the playoffs but maybe 6/7 seed 43-39 type of record.

With a healthy Embiid Sixers win 50 games even without Simmons assuming Embiid plays 65 games (which is a big if already since he's missed 6 games so far).

[76ciology]

During the 2018-19 season, Philadelphia 76ers general manager Elton Brand reportedly approached the team's ownership about potentially trading point guard Ben Simmons but was "immediately shut down."

Just remembered this, so sad. Elton went on to make some really bad moves after that, but if he were allowed to do it, we would have won a championship by now.

If you know basketball, you clearly can see that we have to trade Ben as early as after our first playoff series against the Celtics.

When Fultz was running our offense better than Ben on the blue vs white game, it should gave you more hints

When Butler was complaining about our offense not being able to run PnR, you should know that he’s talking about Ben.

It’s a pick and roll league. And you can’t run pick and roll with Ben (paired with Embiid).

How much better our team is without Ben gives vindication for people like me who never liked Ben.

[GutUNC]

Scotto (from 10:50): "When I talk to other executives around the league about the situation with the Sixers, point-blank, nobody feels sorry for Daryl Morey around the league. They think his asking price is way too high, given the situation, coming off the playoffs. Teams know Ben Simmons doesn’t want to be there.... I’ve heard this from some executives, too, that when Joel Embiid was healthy and before their recent losing streak, this team was performing well without him. Some executives said to me it further in their eyes lowered the trade value for Ben Simmons."

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/qw3ikh/scotto_when_i_talk_to_other_executives_around_the/

Feels pretty expected. Ben's career is based off riding on Embiid's cape. Getting Dejounte Murray would be a steal for Ben.

BREAKING: Certain executives enjoy negotiating from an advantageous position