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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#261 » by Zumramania » Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:55 pm

There are a few other conclusions that come to my mind: 1. besides Joel, Harden and Maxey, the rest of our lineup is really bad so it makes sense to double the big 3 this much

2. This can also be seen from around 1 team points per possession that we score when doubled, whereas with most other players on this list it's 1.2-1.3 - this also indicates we should improve our passing out of double teams

3. You could also argue that our big 3 is a real threat offensively.
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Post#262 » by phillynative » Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:09 pm

Was expecting there to be more points per possession with Harden doubled than Embiid since Harden is the better playmaker. I'm sure there's other factors that go along with deciding thar stat though.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#263 » by Murray_17 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:19 pm

phillynative wrote:Was expecting there to be more points per possession with Harden doubled than Embiid since Harden is the better playmaker. I'm sure there's other factors that go along with deciding thar stat though.


It depends on how the play ends. If Embiid is, for example, scoring at a high clip even when doubled and that's more efficient than Harden passing to a guy that cannot score an open shot then that explain the discrepancy. That's just one example tho

Also, you have to account for the small sample
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Post#264 » by ProcessDoctor » Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:15 am

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ProcessDoctor wrote:All the Reed vs Harrell talk could end if Doc just did the obvious thing and played Reed 10-15 mpg at the 4 (thus reducing Tucker's minutes) while continuing to use Harrell as Embiid's primary backup.


Jesus God, you want both of them in the rotation?

Have people actually been watching Reed the last few games? He's been a trainwreck.

I'd still rather have him out there than Harrell since he's more likely to be helpful in a playoff series and needs the reps.


Reed sucks but he’s all we’ve got to minimize tuckers playing time. Unless you want to play Niang heavy minutes, who’s a huge negative defensively and rebounds like a guard.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#265 » by youngcrev » Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:48 am

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ProcessDoctor wrote:All the Reed vs Harrell talk could end if Doc just did the obvious thing and played Reed 10-15 mpg at the 4 (thus reducing Tucker's minutes) while continuing to use Harrell as Embiid's primary backup.


Jesus God, you want both of them in the rotation?

Have people actually been watching Reed the last few games? He's been a trainwreck.

I'd still rather have him out there than Harrell since he's more likely to be helpful in a playoff series and needs the reps.


Reed sucks but he’s all we’ve got to minimize tuckers playing time. Unless you want to play Niang heavy minutes, who’s a huge negative defensively and rebounds like a guard.


You've got Tobias, Tucker and Niang at the 4.

Honestly, I'm fine with giving Reed some run there as well, just mainly trying to figure out why you're trying to find room for both him and Harrell in the rotation when they're our worst rotation players.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#266 » by 76ciology » Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:55 am

RPM
55th Tobias 2.09
58th Maxey 2.06

RAPTOR
49th Tobias 2.2
72nd Maxey .6

Im not saying Tobias > Maxey.
This stat is not used to compare players.

This just means its good news that we can trade Tobias for players better than Maxey :lol:
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#267 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:46 am

Some random stats

4th in Steals 8.4spg
Embiid 1.8bpg
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Post#268 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:37 pm

I was finally able to watch the entire Bucks - Sixers game.

I like how we defended Giannis. And it make me think about Doc’s statement that part of their offseason plan was studying the match-up of a handful of teams.

Tucker-Biid
Biid-Reed
Tucker-Reed
^ was effective in walling Giannis.

Im less fearful in facing the Bucks

If we face the Celts, that’s where having Danuel House comes into the picture.
House (6’6)-Tucker (7’ heart)-Tobias (6’7”) can all defend Tatum-Jaylen on single coverage.

I see Melton-Thybulle being able to defend Trae or Kyrie.
Tucker was also effective defending Trae.
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Post#269 » by HardenGoat » Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:51 pm

76ciology wrote:I was finally able to watch the entire Bucks - Sixers game.

I like how we defended Giannis. And it make me think about Doc’s statement that part of their offseason plan was studying the match-up of a handful of teams.

Tucker-Biid
Biid-Reed
Tucker-Reed
^ was effective in walling Giannis.

Im less fearful in facing the Bucks

If we face the Celts, that’s where having Danuel House comes into the picture.
House (6’6)-Tucker (7’ heart)-Tobias (6’7”) can all defend Tatum-Jaylen on single coverage.

I see Melton-Thybulle being able to defend Trae or Kyrie.
Tucker was also effective defending Trae.

What about Niang, I thought he was a better defender than Tucker?? :wink:
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#270 » by 76ciology » Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:03 am

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76ciology wrote:I was finally able to watch the entire Bucks - Sixers game.

I like how we defended Giannis. And it make me think about Doc’s statement that part of their offseason plan was studying the match-up of a handful of teams.

Tucker-Biid
Biid-Reed
Tucker-Reed
^ was effective in walling Giannis.

Im less fearful in facing the Bucks

If we face the Celts, that’s where having Danuel House comes into the picture.
House (6’6)-Tucker (7’ heart)-Tobias (6’7”) can all defend Tatum-Jaylen on single coverage.

I see Melton-Thybulle being able to defend Trae or Kyrie.
Tucker was also effective defending Trae.

What about Niang, I thought he was a better defender than Tucker?? :wink:


Actually he’s also decent as a wall.

Wall (Tucker, House,Tobi, Niang)+ weak side deflector (melton, Reed, Biid, Thybulle)
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#271 » by 76ciology » Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:05 pm

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Post#272 » by Negrodamus » Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:17 pm

I think our roster could make noise in the playoffs, but I don’t think Doc can optimize it. Melton needs a lot of time next to Harden and I honestly believe Shake and Maxey would serve as a better pairing. Once again, this can be achieved without turning Maxey into a sad boi and having him come off the bench. Just requires management of personalities, which Doc clearly can’t do.
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Post#273 » by youngcrev » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:50 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I think our roster could make noise in the playoffs, but I don’t think Doc can optimize it. Melton needs a lot of time next to Harden and I honestly believe Shake and Maxey would serve as a better pairing. Once again, this can be achieved without turning Maxey into a sad boi and having him come off the bench. Just requires management of personalities, which Doc clearly can’t do.


I think I've landed on not wanting to bring him off the bench.

My main issue with it tactically is that if you are going to continue to stagger Harden and Embiid, you probably don't want him in during the switch heavy, Harden side of the stagger.

So just keep him glued to Embiid, who also isn't going to switch and can carry you defensively.

I think Shake/Maxey works if you are going to take the main ball handling duties out of Maxey's hands and let him just stay in off ball attack mode. Not sure that's what's best for his development though.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#274 » by youngcrev » Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:03 pm

76ciology wrote:
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My takeaway: The Wizards are great, and it has nothing to do with Beal!

Pretty noisy given the amount of minutes that group has played together and who it was against, but nice to be net rating champs again.

As non existent as Tucker has been offensively, and in the box score altogether, the team has been pretty elite defensively overall with him and Embiid on the floor together at the same time (DRTG 96.7 in 238 minutes of play). And the number is suppressed by the terrible early start, because almost half of those shared minutes were with both Maxey and Harden on the floor, and that group had a 108.4 DRTG.

Tucker and Reed also have a DRTG of 97.6 in 58 minutes together.

Tucker and Harrell are at 118.6 :lol:
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Post#275 » by Negrodamus » Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:14 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:I think our roster could make noise in the playoffs, but I don’t think Doc can optimize it. Melton needs a lot of time next to Harden and I honestly believe Shake and Maxey would serve as a better pairing. Once again, this can be achieved without turning Maxey into a sad boi and having him come off the bench. Just requires management of personalities, which Doc clearly can’t do.


I think I've landed on not wanting to bring him off the bench.

My main issue with it tactically is that if you are going to continue to stagger Harden and Embiid, you probably don't want him in during the switch heavy, Harden side of the stagger.

So just keep him glued to Embiid, who also isn't going to switch and can carry you defensively.

I think Shake/Maxey works if you are going to take the main ball handling duties out of Maxey's hands and let him just stay in off ball attack mode. Not sure that's what's best for his development though.


The “hard pills to swallow” meme for Sixers fans is that Maxey is more of the Monta Ellis/Terrence Ross mold than Dame Lillard and should come off the bench as an injection of scoring. Since we’re not going to do that, we’re going to get gashed on defense in the early parts of the game until we swap in defensive minded players who can cover for liabilities like Maxey and Harden.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#276 » by youngcrev » Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:18 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:I think our roster could make noise in the playoffs, but I don’t think Doc can optimize it. Melton needs a lot of time next to Harden and I honestly believe Shake and Maxey would serve as a better pairing. Once again, this can be achieved without turning Maxey into a sad boi and having him come off the bench. Just requires management of personalities, which Doc clearly can’t do.


I think I've landed on not wanting to bring him off the bench.

My main issue with it tactically is that if you are going to continue to stagger Harden and Embiid, you probably don't want him in during the switch heavy, Harden side of the stagger.

So just keep him glued to Embiid, who also isn't going to switch and can carry you defensively.

I think Shake/Maxey works if you are going to take the main ball handling duties out of Maxey's hands and let him just stay in off ball attack mode. Not sure that's what's best for his development though.


The “hard pills to swallow” meme for Sixers fans is that Maxey is more of the Monta Ellis/Terrence Ross mold than Dame Lillard and should come off the bench as an injection of scoring. Since we’re not going to do that, we’re going to get gashed on defense in the early parts of the game until we swap in defensive minded players who can cover for liabilities like Maxey and Harden.


He definitely has a super sixth man type profile. Small scoring guard that can put up points in bunches, but is undersized and lacking PG skills. I guess in that basic way I see the Monta comparison, but there's a pretty giant gap in their shooting ability, which makes him a waaay better off ball guy. Stylistically I think the closest comparison for him would be Barbosa when he was on those Suns teams.

But if you're going to have Maxey and Harden out there together, you also probably want Embiid out there at the same time to erase the mistakes/underlying issues.

With those two out there I think I'd rather have Melton or Thybulle than Tucker. Throw Maxey on the weakest offensive guard and Harden on the weakest offensive forward.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#277 » by SixthStreet » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:20 pm

I think we are going to need to have either Melton or Thybulle in the game at all times to prevent sieve like perimeter defense if we aren't going to play a 2 big lineup. That takes minutes away from Tucker or Harris and it doesn't seem like Rivers is going to do either of them.

We just have the wrong, stubborn coach on so many different levels.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#278 » by Kobblehead » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:53 pm

Thybulle isn't playable in the playoffs. Need to make a small trade for a Caruso or something.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#279 » by 76ciology » Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:02 am

Kobblehead wrote:Thybulle isn't playable in the playoffs. Need to make a small trade for a Caruso or something.


Caruso cant shoot either
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Post#280 » by 76ciology » Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:06 am

I think we should continue with our starters.

PJ Tucker plays that placeholder role like what Kevin Looney is for the Warriors or Derrick White is for the Celtics.

Then we should strengthen our bench of Milton, Melton, Niang and Reed.

And to end games, we should be open to replace 1 or 2 of our starters with Melton, Milton, Reed or Niang, depending on hot hand and match-ups.

For instance if opponent’s size proves too much..

Maxey
Harden
Tobias
Reed
Biid

If size is not a problem..

Maxey
Harden
Melton
Tobias
Biid

If Tobias and Maxey are struggling..

Milton
Harden
Niang
Tucker
Biid
^ possibly replace Maxey with Melton if we’re getting out rebounded because of Niang
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