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Re: Game 79: Celtics @ 76ers 4/4 8 pm TNT Game Thread 

Post#261 » by Eyeamok » Wed Apr 5, 2023 9:39 pm

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I'm sure all of this has been drilled into guys for years, sometimes they screw up because of how fast the game is. I'm sure the Celtics coaches tell the Celtics not to let Embiid get a wide open dunk from the set spot he starts with the ball 70 times a game and that still happened in crunch time.

Doc certainly has issues especially with playoff adjustments but they've been generally very good in crunch time this year. The fact that you're pointing to two games that happened 4 months apart should tell you something.

If anything Doc cares too much about guys committing dumb fouls like why do you think it took Reed so long to get minutes.


If it has been drilled in it's not working so a new approach has to be taken. Look at how the 76ers lost to Boston in February, a last second 3 point shot. Look how Boston almost tied and then almost won the game last night, a last second 3 point shot. When the team is close to a win they get very relaxed. That's a lack of discipline that falls on coaching. Look at the missed free throw Doc is talking to Embiid from the sidelines. Embiid has his head turned towards Doc when the shot goes up. WTF. Then afterwards Doc takes a timeout. What! He could have taken a timeout and prepared the team for what was coming. Instead he chooses that exact moment to distract his best rebounder to have a conversation with him. You can't make this crap up.

It took Reed this long to get minutes because Doc did not want to be proven wrong when it came to the development of Reed. Reed was playing well at the end of last season and when this season starts he is back to square 1 again.

You talk about opposing teams not letting Embiid do what he does. Embiid is one of the top 10 players in the NBA today. Almost impossible to stop very hard to game plan for. You may know what he is going to do but so what! That is just how good he is. What I am talking about is mental mistakes, laps in judgement which to me comes down to poor coaching.

Look at Doc distracting Embiid. Harris and Harden are in la la land. No one was prepared and the one guy that could have got the rebound was distracted by his coach.



I mean that Celtics game from last month also involved the Celtics blowing a 10 point lead with 6 minutes to go. Tatum made a shot at the end, he's a good player and they're a good team I'm not sure what that has to do with the Sixers' lack of execution. They're not going to win every close game. They've out-executed other good teams down the stretch plenty of times this year.

Embiid is great but allowing a wide open dunk to him is just a break down.

I don't think Doc is talking to Embiid, he's either talking to the ref or Maxey. I'm not being pro-Doc here, I just think you're not giving professional athletes enough credit if you think the coach needs to constantly remind them to not commit dumb fouls or block out on free throws.


Well the game, as you said, moves fast, emotions are involved, thinking gets cloudy and people revert to automatic behaviors. In these situations Doc's veteran leadership has to be the voice of reason. The eyes that see what is going on, the captain that guides them through the rough water. He has to be the one that tells them put wax in your ears, tie yourself to the masts and do not listen to the song of the sirens (apparent victory) stay focused. I think in this situation he was severely lacking in his duty as a leader and it almost cost the 76ers the game. When Smart stepped up to take that free throw the entire 76ers team was unprepared.


I don't expect the 76ers to win every close game just all the close ones against Boston would be nice.
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Re: Game 79: Celtics @ 76ers 4/4 8 pm TNT Game Thread 

Post#262 » by Sixerscan » Wed Apr 5, 2023 9:48 pm

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If it has been drilled in it's not working so a new approach has to be taken. Look at how the 76ers lost to Boston in February, a last second 3 point shot. Look how Boston almost tied and then almost won the game last night, a last second 3 point shot. When the team is close to a win they get very relaxed. That's a lack of discipline that falls on coaching. Look at the missed free throw Doc is talking to Embiid from the sidelines. Embiid has his head turned towards Doc when the shot goes up. WTF. Then afterwards Doc takes a timeout. What! He could have taken a timeout and prepared the team for what was coming. Instead he chooses that exact moment to distract his best rebounder to have a conversation with him. You can't make this crap up.

It took Reed this long to get minutes because Doc did not want to be proven wrong when it came to the development of Reed. Reed was playing well at the end of last season and when this season starts he is back to square 1 again.

You talk about opposing teams not letting Embiid do what he does. Embiid is one of the top 10 players in the NBA today. Almost impossible to stop very hard to game plan for. You may know what he is going to do but so what! That is just how good he is. What I am talking about is mental mistakes, laps in judgement which to me comes down to poor coaching.

Look at Doc distracting Embiid. Harris and Harden are in la la land. No one was prepared and the one guy that could have got the rebound was distracted by his coach.



I mean that Celtics game from last month also involved the Celtics blowing a 10 point lead with 6 minutes to go. Tatum made a shot at the end, he's a good player and they're a good team I'm not sure what that has to do with the Sixers' lack of execution. They're not going to win every close game. They've out-executed other good teams down the stretch plenty of times this year.

Embiid is great but allowing a wide open dunk to him is just a break down.

I don't think Doc is talking to Embiid, he's either talking to the ref or Maxey. I'm not being pro-Doc here, I just think you're not giving professional athletes enough credit if you think the coach needs to constantly remind them to not commit dumb fouls or block out on free throws.


Well the game, as you said, moves fast, emotions are involved, thinking gets cloudy and people revert to automatic behaviors. In these situations Doc's veteran leadership has to be the voice of reason. The eyes that see what is going on, the captain that guides them through the rough water. He has to be the one that tells them put wax in your ears, tie yourself to the masts and do not listen to the song of the sirens (apparent victory) stay focused. I think in this situation he was severely lacking in his duty as a leader and it almost cost the 76ers the game. When Smart stepped up to take that free throw the entire 76ers team was unprepared.


I don't expect the 76ers to win every close game just all the close ones against Boston would be nice.


Well they did win lol.

Smart is also in the process of getting the ball, I'm not sure if they are even allowed to call timeout at that point. But sure yeah in that particular moment they didn't execute properly.
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Re: Game 79: Celtics @ 76ers 4/4 8 pm TNT Game Thread 

Post#263 » by eyeatoma » Wed Apr 5, 2023 9:56 pm

Holy **** we are so fawked....

Doc's really going to do it.

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Re: Game 79: Celtics @ 76ers 4/4 8 pm TNT Game Thread 

Post#264 » by Sixerscan » Wed Apr 5, 2023 10:07 pm

Well if you watch the video he didn't say he was going to do it this year/didn't really do it last year/has recently cut Shake out of the rotation to basically play 9 lately with at least one of Maxey/Embiid/Harden on the court at all times.

There's enough stuff to get mad about with Doc without making stuff up guys :lol:

Anyway, I'm done defending Doc, have fun!
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Post#265 » by eyeatoma » Wed Apr 5, 2023 11:13 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Well if you watch the video he didn't say he was going to do it this year/didn't really do it last year/has recently cut Shake out of the rotation to basically play 9 lately with at least one of Maxey/Embiid/Harden on the court at all times.

There's enough stuff to get mad about with Doc without making stuff up guys

Anyway, I'm done defending Doc, have fun!
Well if he says he's going to do it then that's just dumb on his part with not wanting to show your hand and all. Kind of like when Morey says we're not trading Ben. I think him not outright dismissing it is what's telling. Just reading between the lines.

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Post#266 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Wed Apr 5, 2023 11:14 pm

I'm not at all afraid to defend Doc when he makes the right call. I know a lot of posters on here can't stand the guy, but I think for ME PERSONALLY, it's only fair that I call it both ways. I'm not going to get into the pros and cons of Doc Rivers, I'm not going to argue with anyone on here about him either. I like him as a coach. I think we could do a lot worse. Chauncey Billups and Jason Kidd are head coaches for crying out loud and both are absolutely horrific at their jobs. I can only imagine what our record would be right now with either of them coaching this team. Doc holds guys accountable and accountability is a big part of success. Meanwhile Kidd and Billups are far more content to let the players run the show and the W/L records speak for themselves. Again, I'm not trying to make this out to be some Doc lovefest because it's not. He enrages me at times too, but I call it both ways with him. Quote me if you want, tell me how wrong I am, ASK me to give the pros and cons (despite me just saying I'm not going to), but I'm uninterested in arguing over it in any capacity. Anyone that has been watching basketball over a long period of time knows what Doc is and what he isn't. That's not going to change.
My only concern at this point is can he hold a lead in a series and finish it? That's been his biggest downfall throughout his coaching career. He's blown a number of series where his team has had a stronghold on advancing, and my biggest fear is that it happens with us. That would honestly be the only way that I would completely 100% turn on him.

Oh and as far as the "clip" goes...The person posting it clearly cherry picks what they want any person that dislikes Rivers as a coach to hear. Listen to his words, he says "it depends on the team." Not once does he say that he's going to do it here. As of right now I think we all know what the playoff rotation is going to be. We're going to see a whole lotta Harden, Maxey, PJ, Tobias, Embiid, Melton, McDaniels, and Reed. The hope will be that one of Niang, House, or Shake can be a chess piece that he uses in hopes of that player catching fire for us.
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Re: Game 79: Celtics @ 76ers 4/4 8 pm TNT Game Thread 

Post#267 » by Jailblazers7 » Wed Apr 5, 2023 11:17 pm

The 2008 Celtics are the most toxic group of sore winners the world has ever seen. These f*ckers are gonna coast off that ego boost for 1000 years.

I love that Doc says “it depends on the type of team you have.” The subtext of him saying that is that the type of team will determine if the strategy WORKS or not but he’s gonna roll out that strategy no matter what.
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Post#268 » by Negrodamus » Wed Apr 5, 2023 11:46 pm

The Doc Rivers Celtics are actually pretty sad. Seems like they were trash for the first couple of years, get KG and win it all, lose to the Lakers in the Finals, then fringe contender the remaining years. How you don't win at least 2 championships with KG, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce still in their prime along with Rajon Rondo is beyond me. They also had Tony Allen, Kendrick Perkins... good role players.
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Re: Game 79: Celtics @ 76ers 4/4 8 pm TNT Game Thread 

Post#269 » by Eyeamok » Thu Apr 6, 2023 3:06 am

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I mean that Celtics game from last month also involved the Celtics blowing a 10 point lead with 6 minutes to go. Tatum made a shot at the end, he's a good player and they're a good team I'm not sure what that has to do with the Sixers' lack of execution. They're not going to win every close game. They've out-executed other good teams down the stretch plenty of times this year.

Embiid is great but allowing a wide open dunk to him is just a break down.

I don't think Doc is talking to Embiid, he's either talking to the ref or Maxey. I'm not being pro-Doc here, I just think you're not giving professional athletes enough credit if you think the coach needs to constantly remind them to not commit dumb fouls or block out on free throws.


Well the game, as you said, moves fast, emotions are involved, thinking gets cloudy and people revert to automatic behaviors. In these situations Doc's veteran leadership has to be the voice of reason. The eyes that see what is going on, the captain that guides them through the rough water. He has to be the one that tells them put wax in your ears, tie yourself to the masts and do not listen to the song of the sirens (apparent victory) stay focused. I think in this situation he was severely lacking in his duty as a leader and it almost cost the 76ers the game. When Smart stepped up to take that free throw the entire 76ers team was unprepared.


I don't expect the 76ers to win every close game just all the close ones against Boston would be nice.


Well they did win lol.

Smart is also in the process of getting the ball, I'm not sure if they are even allowed to call timeout at that point. But sure yeah in that particular moment they didn't execute properly.


Yes they did win. I still don't think they can beat the Celtics in the playoffs but, I have been known to be wrong before, and this win was important from a moral standpoint. And if I am being honest if this had happened against any other team I probably would not care as much. But all roads seem to lead through Boston this playoff season and they the 76ers need to always be on their mental and physical game when they play them.
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Post#270 » by Eyeamok » Thu Apr 6, 2023 3:17 am

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote: My only concern at this point is can he hold a lead in a series and finish it? That's been his biggest downfall throughout his coaching career. He's blown a number of series where his team has had a stronghold on advancing, and my biggest fear is that it happens with us. That would honestly be the only way that I would completely 100% turn on him.

We're going to see a whole lotta Harden, Maxey, PJ, Tobias, Embiid, Melton, McDaniels, and Reed. The hope will be that one of Niang, House, or Shake can be a chess piece that he uses in hopes of that player catching fire for us.


What you said in bold is also my biggest concern about Doc.

In the past I have advocated hard for Shake Milton to be given a chance. I think these last 3-2 games we are going to see a lot more of him. Maybe he can be that chess piece. But I really like the energy that House gives this team and when Niang is on it's a thing of beauty. I hope they sit Embiid and Harden and let the B team show what they can do in the final 2/3 games.
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Post#271 » by phillynative » Thu Apr 6, 2023 5:45 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Holy **** we are so fawked....

Doc's really going to do it.

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Post#272 » by Foshan » Fri Apr 7, 2023 5:03 am

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Post#276 » by 76ciology » Tue May 2, 2023 4:04 am

Doc talks too much on post game, big difference from
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Re: Game 79: Celtics @ 76ers 4/4 8 pm TNT Game Thread 

Post#277 » by eyeatoma » Tue May 2, 2023 4:20 am

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However, adversity struck once more: the Celtics grabbed back-to-back offensive rebounds, leading to an Al Horford layup which brought the lead back to three. Doc Rivers called timeout and Reed was chewed out on the bench.

“A couple guys really got into [Reed], and it was close to excessive,” Rivers said. “It was pretty harsh. We’ve got to get better at that, probably.”

One of the veterans who has pushed Reed the most throughout the season is PJ Tucker.

“I literally thought [ Tucker} was going to grab [Reed’s} jersey,” Maxey said of the late huddle. “He said, ‘if you don’t get the next two rebounds, then we’re going to have a conversation.’”

Reed successfully avoided any reason for criticism the rest of the way. After the Celtics threw a double-team at James Harden, Reed caught the ball around the rim and was fouled. A 65.8 percent free throw shooter in his NBA career, Reed stepped to the line, discarded the deafening Boston crowd and casually dropped two free throws -- nothing but net.



Hmm, sounds like we were pretty animated, which is good to see. Might have been a little extra according to Doc. Interesting to see Doc on Paul's side, but also PJ holding Reed accountable, and Reed being able to take it.

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Post#278 » by eyeatoma » Tue May 2, 2023 4:25 am

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Post#279 » by mjkvol » Tue May 2, 2023 7:46 pm

76ciology wrote:Doc talks too much on post game, big difference from
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He has always talked waaaaaaay too much, going back to when he was a player. He doesn't know when to shut the hell up with the media.
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Post#280 » by 76ciology » Wed May 3, 2023 1:04 pm

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76ciology wrote:Doc talks too much on post game, big difference from
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He has always talked waaaaaaay too much, going back to when he was a player. He doesn't know when to shut the hell up with the media.


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I talks too much. His masterclass session against Mudzilla might get cancelled if he keeps it up.

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