2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III

[stormi]

not sure where I heard it from and it is probably bull

but there is hubbub that Ace's camp doesn't want to come here. Perhaps they want him in an immediate featured role which even if Jo is donzo wont be here....or they have seen the horror show that most of our lottery picks go through lol.

Just came across the clip (starts around 36:00)

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The person speaking is @TrillBroDude on twitter. I wouldn't classify him as an insider, but he's definitely not a grifter either. He's been around the scene for a long time and is a dedicated Philadelphia sports fan. Has a decent platform as well that's he's built organically over the years. He's really not one to speak for the sake of it, so I'd reckon this is at least one to monitor.

We should find out whether there's any substance in the coming days as the Ace workout was supposedly scheduled right after the team met with VJ.

2017 is repeating itself, we trade up for the 'new Harden' and the primadonna bust wing handpicks his destination.

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Did many listen to it since I’m in a restaurant for fathers Day but Sixers content creator has a responsibility to speak on reported rumors. Scotto said we inquired about moving up. Spurs have only worked out Harper as a top prospect so it’s appears they will draft him unless we blow them away with an offer.

He wasn't speaking on a rumor in the Ace bit, he was relaying information that'd he'd been made privy to.

HFD, get off your phone!

[OleSchool]

As an Ace fan I would say yes I do expect him to perfect his footwork where he could use jab steps, step backs, head fakes and push offs to create space for his elite mid range shot.

Also Ace is capable of getting his weight up to 225-230 which is the same as Tatum who runs the majority of his mins at PF. There’s not many post play PFs in the league. For those matchups you would hope to mix and match for certain teams like Banchero, Siakim, Randle, Bron.

So, you want Ace to be DDR or Rudy Gay with his midrange game.

Also, imo Tatum had a thicker body type and you could see he could bulk up. I don't think, outside of using roids Ace can get stronger but won't bulk up

Midrange game sure but I’d want him taking step back, and volume off ball 3s as well unlike Derozen and Rudy. Pair that with his defense, rebounding and weak side shot blocking.

And yes Tatum has more solid broader shoulders but I wouldn’t relate that to a thicker body type. Ace can get to 225-230. Idk where in his body type you see an inability to gain 20 lbs to an 18 yr old.

I have no problems with Ace's D

When I look at Ace I see a KD body type. Lucky him, I look at a donut I gain 3lbs. He will get stronger but won't bulk like you think.

[OleSchool]

Kon Kneuppel on ball scoring.

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I know this is supposed to be a highlight vid but there's a few plays in there I didn't like.

The first one in particular. Kon is on the opposite side, back his man down spins to his left and has a wide open lane to the net. Instead of him taking it strong to the rim he stops, does a double pump and then goes up for the layin. WHY?? You already beat you man, no one is at the rim. Take that **** up STRONG.

There's a few plays like that scattered throughout the vid that shouldn't be "highlights" it shows his lack of athletic ability

I noticed it as well; don't think he has any explosiveness to his jump when in motion and so he trying to make sure he gets a defender into the air to clear it out. Bigs in the NBA won't need to do that given his short stature and T-rex arms.

It also looks like he's kinda surprised that the move worked and he has to think what to do next Lol

[sodmoraes]

Good video about Bailey´s hate on this draft cycle:

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Come join us in the "don´t overthink" crew, just go with the flow, go big, go Ace, yo.

[Stanford]

Oh ****, Romp is in!?

[CPops57]

Kon is gonna get called for a lot of offensive fouls. Watch how many times he two arm shoves his defender before making his break to get the pass. He also loves that chicken wing.

Have you watched any playoff basketball? The NBA is a physical league. Guys bump and push each other to try and create shots many times per game. It's not a bad thing that Kon actually has a good frame for doing this and is actually good at it.

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It just seems pretty tough to please the critics. They say Kon can't create any offense, but when shown evidence that he can (including in games where Flagg wasn't playing) they then claim that these examples don't count and move the goal posts.

We'll see what happens I guess. I think Morey has a great track record and has earned the benefit of the doubt with his draft selections.

[OleSchool]

Good video about Bailey´s hate on this draft cycle:

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Come join us in the "don´t overthink" crew, just go with the flow, go big, go Ace, yo.

I don't think Ace is going to be a bad basketball player. I'm just looking for a point forward and Ace don't have those skills

[sodmoraes]

Good video about Bailey´s hate on this draft cycle:

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Come join us in the "don´t overthink" crew, just go with the flow, go big, go Ace, yo.

I don't think Ace is going to be a bad basketball player. I'm just looking for a point forward and Ace don't have those skills

Yes, my main worries with Ace are his handle, his passing and his frame. I think he can get stronger ,which will help his driving game, but im most worried about his handle. I actually think he can be a decent passer. I saw some highlights and he had some decent passes, but he always looks to score first, so theres that...

About his handle it has to improve so he can go to the next level. I dont think its even that bad: i saw some highlights of some crossovers, so atleast there something there already, but he needs to have a way better handle to unlock his game. He had some nice agility numbers, but he was kinda bad driving to the rim, because his handle is kinda bad( the spacing didnt help either).

What i like about the pick is that even if he doesnt improve his weak points he still can be a good player, as he Projects, in my opinion, as an above average shooter from 3 and defender, who can still get some needed points with his mid range.

I dont see star potential in VJ, so thats why i prefer Bailey. Tre is another story, i can see him as an star, but i still prefer ace , because i think Tre's defense will be bad, so Bailey is a safer pick.

[M2J]

Good video about Bailey´s hate on this draft cycle:

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Come join us in the "don´t overthink" crew, just go with the flow, go big, go Ace, yo.

I don't think Ace is going to be a bad basketball player. I'm just looking for a point forward and Ace don't have those skills

Yes, my main worries with Ace are his handle, his passing and his frame. I think he can get stronger ,which will help his driving game, but im most worried about his handle. I actually think he can be a decent passer. I saw some highlights and he had some decent passes, but he always looks to score first, so theres that...

About his handle it has to improve so he can go to the next level. I dont think its even that bad: i saw some highlights of some crossovers, so atleast there something there already, but he needs to have a way better handle to unlock his game. He had some nice agility numbers, but he was kinda bad driving to the rim, because his handle is kinda bad( the spacing didnt help either).

What i like about the pick is that even if he doesnt improve his weak points he still can be a good player, as he Projects, in my opinion, as an above average shooter from 3 and defender, who can still get some needed points with his mid range.

I dont see star potential in VJ, so thats why i prefer Bailey. Tre is another story, i can see him as an star, but i still prefer ace , because i think Tre's defense will be bad, so Bailey is a safer pick.

I never expect him to be a point forward in a typical manner. If he develops handles and passing.... That'd be amazing. I do however believe he could become a top level scorer and good defender and rebounder. With his mid-range isolation game and his movement shooting including out to the three-point range already being pretty polished.... There is action, where those become shot creation. Great example is Joel himself.... He is not a better passer as some guys seem to think. The DHO game that he and Draymond, and even Joker who is a great passer but not as good as his numbers say benefit from the dho game... Where yes you need to be some version of a threat yourself as they all are, but the action from the guards and 3pt shooters and their movement does most of the creation there.... Which is why I always say Maxey improves Joel's game as much as the other way around in terms of that action and his spacing while also being a pick and roll handler for Jo. Point is.... Ace currently has the skillet to fill both roles of the DHO guy given his isolation that from mid range and the movement guy.... In a system that Philly already runs.

My issue is with Ace is that his followers ADD (Ace Delusional Desirers) is keep coming back to he can make tough shots! Well think about it, maybe the reason he can is that cant beat his defender off the dribble. You want someone who has the ability to be able to beat their defender. He basically lead the nation on 2 point attempts outside the paint, definitely not a Morey type of player. Not difficult to see if you pay attention. Ive tried to find ways where I can talk myself into the 76ers drafting him, I dont see it.

As an ADDer extraordinare.... Myself nor many of the many Acemaniacs have said that in general for the primary reason to take Ace.... You probably won't even find that in this entire 3rd thread. So.... That should free you up to work on your other issues.

Good luck

[OleSchool]

Good video about Bailey´s hate on this draft cycle:

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Come join us in the "don´t overthink" crew, just go with the flow, go big, go Ace, yo.

I don't think Ace is going to be a bad basketball player. I'm just looking for a point forward and Ace don't have those skills

Yes, my main worries with Ace are his handle, his passing and his frame. I think he can get stronger ,which will help his driving game, but im most worried about his handle. I actually think he can be a decent passer. I saw some highlights and he had some decent passes, but he always looks to score first, so theres that...

About his handle it has to improve so he can go to the next level. I dont think its even that bad: i saw some highlights of some crossovers, so atleast there something there already, but he needs to have a way better handle to unlock his game. He had some nice agility numbers, but he was kinda bad driving to the rim, because his handle is kinda bad( the spacing didnt help either).

What i like about the pick is that even if he doesnt improve his weak points he still can be a good player, as he Projects, in my opinion, as an above average shooter from 3 and defender, who can still get some needed points with his mid range.

I dont see star potential in VJ, so thats why i prefer Bailey. Tre is another story, i can see him as a star, but i still prefer ace , because i think Tre's defense will be bad, so Bailey is a safer pick.

See I do see VJ as a star, well I see him as OG Annoby. A very useful player that will help come playoff time, so long as he's not run in the ground by Nurse.

I see Bailey as the SF version of Tobias. Well I guess that's not fair. I could see him as Mikal Bridges lite.

The sad part in the whole draft is, if Tre played an OUNCE of D he might be in the running with Flagg for 1 overall

[Kobblehead]

If Ace has a career similar to Luol Deng, would anyone be disappointed in that?

[okboomer]

If Ace has a career similar to Luol Deng, would anyone be disappointed in that?

And if VJ is similar to Jrue or Oladipo pre dislocating his knee?

[Blackbird79]

I haven’t been able to find it anywhere else, but the Ricky was talking about a rumor coming from a Nets beat writer.
Nick Claxton, Cam Thomas and #8 for Paul George and #3. I’d seriously consider that. You don’t give up much getting Thomas for George, especially considering George isn’t going to age well. Claxton can start 30% of the games and is good Embiid insurance.

[Arsenal]

I haven’t been able to find it anywhere else, but the Ricky was talking about a rumor coming from a Nets beat writer.
Nick Claxton, Cam Thomas and #8 for Paul George and #3. I’d seriously consider that.

It's not a rumor, the Nets guy just made it up. Fake news.

[OleSchool]

I haven’t been able to find it anywhere else, but the Ricky was talking about a rumor coming from a Nets beat writer.
Nick Claxton, Cam Thomas and #8 for Paul George and #3. I’d seriously consider that.

I think I saw that on Reddit

[Iscull]

If Ace has a career similar to Luol Deng, would anyone be disappointed in that?

For a #3 overall, yes.

I’d argue Justin Edwards may be on a path to have a similar career to Deng.

[Jailblazers7]

I think trading PG now would be the absolute low point of his trade value. Even if you think he’s wash (I do), I don’t think last season is a good representation of what he’ll be next year.

[FireMorey]

I haven’t been able to find it anywhere else, but the Ricky was talking about a rumor coming from a Nets beat writer.
Nick Claxton, Cam Thomas and #8 for Paul George and #3. I’d seriously consider that. You don’t give up much getting Thomas for George, especially considering George isn’t going to age well. Claxton can start 30% of the games and is good Embiid insurance.

You mean Cam Johnson? Cam Thomas blows.

And I don't get this incessant desire to get rid of PG's contract. The Sixers would be losing the two best players in the trade. PG and the 3rd pick.

It's a short-sighted trade to scratch the OCD itch of fans coming off a season of regret to get rid of the PG contract that doesn't need getting rid of. I mean, if they can find a taker for it who actually gives something value in return for it straight up, fine. But to get rid of it to downgrade assets is crazy.

[Iscull]

I haven’t been able to find it anywhere else, but the Ricky was talking about a rumor coming from a Nets beat writer.
Nick Claxton, Cam Thomas and #8 for Paul George and #3. I’d seriously consider that. You don’t give up much getting Thomas for George, especially considering George isn’t going to age well. Claxton can start 30% of the games and is good Embiid insurance.

You mean Cam Johnson? Cam Thomas blows.

And I don't get this incessant desire to get rid of PG's contract. The Sixers would be losing the two best players in the trade. PG and the 3rd pick.

It's a short-sighted trade to scratch the OCD itch of fans coming off a season of regret to get rid of the PG contract that doesn't need getting rid of. I mean, if they can find a taker for it who actually gives something value in return for it straight up, fine. But to get rid of it to downgrade assets is crazy.

If we hit the All Star break this season and PG is averaging 15 PPG or less and or playing 60% or less of the games - we will be sitting with one of the worst contracts in the NBA. I think this is a very likely scenario, maybe 40%-50% chance.

If we’re able to leverage our 3rd overall and PG to get something decent in return (not nothing), then we should. The financial freedom to
Not have his contract for another 2 years after this one will be immensely beneficial.

Separately, I think PG is a bad vibes guy in the locker room and don’t want it rubbing off on our young talent.

[Iverson Armband]

I haven’t been able to find it anywhere else, but the Ricky was talking about a rumor coming from a Nets beat writer.
Nick Claxton, Cam Thomas and #8 for Paul George and #3. I’d seriously consider that. You don’t give up much getting Thomas for George, especially considering George isn’t going to age well. Claxton can start 30% of the games and is good Embiid insurance.

You mean Cam Johnson? Cam Thomas blows.

And I don't get this incessant desire to get rid of PG's contract. The Sixers would be losing the two best players in the trade. PG and the 3rd pick.

It's a short-sighted trade to scratch the OCD itch of fans coming off a season of regret to get rid of the PG contract that doesn't need getting rid of. I mean, if they can find a taker for it who actually gives something value in return for it straight up, fine. But to get rid of it to downgrade assets is crazy.

You can argue Cam Johnson is significantly better than a 36 year old broke down PG at this point.