Around the League - 2019-2020

[God Squad]

Wish Jimmy wasn't such an aimless turd here. He's exactly what we need

I don't care what he supposedly did. World class idiocy to let him go.

At least you know it. Jimmy/Embiid/Simmons would be contenders 100%. He was the heart of your squad and IMO it's clear as day. Anyone denying it is still in denial.

[God Squad]

Lets not overreact. Butler had 14 points on 4/11 shooting. The reason the Heat are in the conference finals is their team play and playstyle and the unexpected contribution they are getting for Dragic and their young players.

Their talent is limited but they are able to overcome that by following the trends, chucking 3s and going small to defend the pnr.

If you think Butlers value is strictly on the offensive end I don't know what to tell you. This bubble he's consistently coming up with clutch threes or clutch steals, he's been amazing. Clearly they're following his lead and eerily similar to him elevating Minnesota and Philly. But Duncan and Hero have been nothing short of amazing so we agree there.

[God Squad]

I only watched parts of the 4th quarter. If i am not mistaken he had one basket that he actually created plus another transition basket he got from a steal he made. The other points were fts i think.

He is not a dominant player. He hustles a lot and gets some savvy calls but the Heat can largely function as a team regardless of what he is doing.

It is weird that he leaves Chicago and they went from a playoff team to one of the worst teams in the league, he got Minnesota to the playoffs for the 1st time in nearly a decade and a half... and before he went down the last 6 weeks he had Minnesota in the 3rd seed in the West and then.. nowhere close to the playoffs. Philly, they took the eventual champs to 7 game, the next year... swept.

It's odd how he makes his teams so much better yet he's not a dominate player. Not many "non dominate" players able to put up 40 points in a half... Butler has. This season, when some sports reporters in Miami complained about him not scoring he put up 30 in the first half against Phoenix to prove a point then only shot 6 more times in the 2nd half.

By the way, Butler's doing this stuff in the 4th quarter in the Eastern Conference Finals...
Philly should be in the position Miami is in... all they had to do was not trade Butler and have Embiid ask him to stay.

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Lol at leaving out the FACT that Ben Simmons WAS OUT INJURED!!..smh. We beat the Celtics 3-1 without Butler in the regular season...so if you're gonna present an argument at least put all the facts on the table.

No one cares about the regular season. Especially in the playoffs where Ben isn't getting easy transition points and the offense needs to operate in the half-court. That's where you guys need Butler, Reddick was also key. He was a beast curling off of screens for clutch threes.

[phillynative]

Butler does that move alot going to the basket. He usual gets to the line doing it too.

[phillynative]

Im sorry but im not gonna sit here and cry about not retaining butler for the rest of hos career . It was obviously the wrong move but the moves way before him and in conjunction with the sign and trade is what handicapped the sixers...

[76ciology]

Im sorry but im not gonna sit here and cry about not retaining butler for the rest of hos career . It was obviously the wrong move but the moves way before him and in conjunction with the sign and trade is what handicapped the sixers...

+1

[youngcrev]

The official Heat twitter account writing "Playoff Jimmy was so #HeatCulture" is such a nauseating sequence of words

[Aussiepiston1]

I really don’t want to play this what if game but even just watching Dragic play like this and hearing how the Heat were trying to give him away I can’t help but think we could have gotten him instead of Horford and kept Redick.
Dragic
Richardson
Harris
Simmons
Embiid
With Redick and thybulle off the bench

[VDT]

I only watched parts of the 4th quarter. If i am not mistaken he had one basket that he actually created plus another transition basket he got from a steal he made. The other points were fts i think.

He is not a dominant player. He hustles a lot and gets some savvy calls but the Heat can largely function as a team regardless of what he is doing.

It is weird that he leaves Chicago and they went from a playoff team to one of the worst teams in the league, he got Minnesota to the playoffs for the 1st time in nearly a decade and a half... and before he went down the last 6 weeks he had Minnesota in the 3rd seed in the West and then.. nowhere close to the playoffs. Philly, they took the eventual champs to 7 game, the next year... swept.

It's odd how he makes his teams so much better yet he's not a dominate player. Not many "non dominate" players able to put up 40 points in a half... Butler has. This season, when some sports reporters in Miami complained about him not scoring he put up 30 in the first half against Phoenix to prove a point then only shot 6 more times in the 2nd half.

By the way, Butler's doing this stuff in the 4th quarter in the Eastern Conference Finals...
Philly should be in the position Miami is in... all they had to do was not trade Butler and have Embiid ask him to stay.

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I didnt say he is a bad player, but you have to have a more in depth look than that imo. Chicago was tanking after Butler so they were going to be worse. In Minnesota they had Wiggins and young Lavine as their perimeter options, giving the ball to Butler was obviously going to improve them a lot. When he was here, the only positive thing was the unexpectedly close series with the Raptors (and the fact that the Raptors went on to win the title, again unexpectedly). The regular season was almost as bad as this year.

Miami was also the 5th seed in the regular season. The reason they are in the finals is not because of the team talent but because of the system the have, the style of basketball they play and the fact that they are getting significant production form Dragic (whom they wanted to gift to Dallas) and their young players. Butler is being passive in the first three quarters and tries to carry them in the last with varying degrees of success.

But just watching the games one can see that Butler has a hard time creating quality shots and relies on hustle plays and drawing fouls. If he played on a team that would require him to carry more of a scoring load he would be more exposed and receive more criticism. People are also, for whatever reason, more lenient with him. If Lebron or Giannis or even Paul George scored 14 point in a win, people would say that their teammates carried them. In Butler's case they try to find whatever good plays he made during the game and focus on them.

[Stanford]

Wish Jimmy wasn't such an aimless turd here. He's exactly what we need

I don't care what he supposedly did. World class idiocy to let him go.

At least you know it. Jimmy/Embiid/Simmons would be contenders 100%. He was the heart of your squad and IMO it's clear as day. Anyone denying it is still in denial.

You know we don't make the decisions, right?

[Stanford]

unless there was some sort of gross insubordination on butler's part (which has not been hinted at by anyone), a person would have to be completely divorced from reality to think that elton brand would trade good assets for jimmy butler as a less than one season rental with no intention of maxing him out. because everybody and their professor knew that jimmy was looking for a max deal. it's why chicago traded him in the first place

Bodner has been pretty clear that the Sixers didn't offer the 5th year.

[Bum Adebayo]

People here still talk about beating Celtics 3-1 in regular season lmao
Now I understand why there are so many bad contracts given to players out there, there is too much emphasis being put on regular season individual stats and team achievements.

[Mik317]

if we replaced Jimmy with a similar player and not signed Horford; people wouldn't be so pissed.

Jimmy is an **** and I get at the time choosing Ben over him (I don't get choosing Brett over him...since we fired him and had been trying for 2 years lol) due to age and potential...but since we didn't and Ben did not take the offensive leap we wanted/needed it makes it 10 times worse lol. Its not even hindsight because thats what a good FO is supposed to do; forcast and weigh the pros and cons.

So its not fully about Jimmy but rather the simple fact that the easiest move would have been to bring his annoying ass back and we decided to pivot crazy and are now in scramble mode.

[DT RAW]

Wish Jimmy wasn't such an aimless turd here. He's exactly what we need

I don't care what he supposedly did. World class idiocy to let him go.

At least you know it. Jimmy/Embiid/Simmons would be contenders 100%. He was the heart of your squad and IMO it's clear as day. Anyone denying it is still in denial.

aimless turd?? why? because he RIGHTFULLY called out ben simmons and brett brown for the clowns they were/are?

Ben is lazy, says all the right things but doesnt do them, and brown allows simmons and even embiid to get away with it all.

Ya, what a turd butler was for trying to hold them to a CHAMPIONSHIP standard. How dare he!

[Stanford]

I don't care what he supposedly did. World class idiocy to let him go.

At least you know it. Jimmy/Embiid/Simmons would be contenders 100%. He was the heart of your squad and IMO it's clear as day. Anyone denying it is still in denial.

aimless turd?? why? because he RIGHTFULLY called out ben simmons and brett brown for the clowns they were/are?

Ben is lazy, says all the right things but doesnt do them, and brown allows simmons and even embiid to get away with it all.

Ya, what a turd butler was for trying to hold them to a CHAMPIONSHIP standard. How dare he!

He floated around refusing to shoot for like half the season. He acted like a baby because Brett Brown didn't run P&R.

Real championship behavior is acting like a petulant child.

[Sixerscan]

At least you know it. Jimmy/Embiid/Simmons would be contenders 100%. He was the heart of your squad and IMO it's clear as day. Anyone denying it is still in denial.

aimless turd?? why? because he RIGHTFULLY called out ben simmons and brett brown for the clowns they were/are?

Ben is lazy, says all the right things but doesnt do them, and brown allows simmons and even embiid to get away with it all.

Ya, what a turd butler was for trying to hold them to a CHAMPIONSHIP standard. How dare he!

He floated around refusing to shoot for like half the season. He acted like a baby because Brett Brown didn't run P&R.

Real championship behavior is acting like a petulant child.

The three point shooting thing was weird but they also had an awesome offense with him playing like that. He’s taking even fewer 3s with Miami fwiw, just not his game.

He didn’t act like a baby, he acted like Jimmy Butler. If they weren’t prepared for Jimmy Butler to act like Jimmy Butler they shouldn’t have traded for Jimmy Butler.

[DT RAW]

At least you know it. Jimmy/Embiid/Simmons would be contenders 100%. He was the heart of your squad and IMO it's clear as day. Anyone denying it is still in denial.

aimless turd?? why? because he RIGHTFULLY called out ben simmons and brett brown for the clowns they were/are?

Ben is lazy, says all the right things but doesnt do them, and brown allows simmons and even embiid to get away with it all.

Ya, what a turd butler was for trying to hold them to a CHAMPIONSHIP standard. How dare he!

He floated around refusing to shoot for like half the season. He acted like a baby because Brett Brown didn't run P&R.

Real championship behavior is acting like a petulant child.

interesting... so then what would you call ben simmons floating around refusing to shoot for 4 years?

And Jimmy ended up being right about everything with brown. Including the PnR, as it almost got us to the ECF and likely NBA finals.

I dont think a player being absolutely correct in his assessments of how how bad our coach was is petulance, its called wanting to win.

How is Jimmy's petulance doing with Miami? They have a real coach, and hard working players on that team, seems he has no issue there. Shocker.

[DT RAW]

aimless turd?? why? because he RIGHTFULLY called out ben simmons and brett brown for the clowns they were/are?

Ben is lazy, says all the right things but doesnt do them, and brown allows simmons and even embiid to get away with it all.

Ya, what a turd butler was for trying to hold them to a CHAMPIONSHIP standard. How dare he!

He floated around refusing to shoot for like half the season. He acted like a baby because Brett Brown didn't run P&R.

Real championship behavior is acting like a petulant child.

The three point shooting thing was weird but they also had an awesome offense with him playing like that. He’s taking even fewer 3s with Miami fwiw, just not his game.

He didn’t act like a baby, he acted like Jimmy Butler. If they weren’t prepared for Jimmy Butler to act like Jimmy Butler they shouldn’t have traded for Jimmy Butler.

bingo. Jimmy had issues in minneosta because kat and wiggins were JUST LIKE ben simmons and brett brown. No accountability, no TRUE desire to win, just in name sake only. Then philly fans get offended when butler realizes simmons and brown are exactly like the 2 in minnesota, and lord have mercy cant have anyone criticize his holyness ben simmons.

If the reports are true and brand wanted to trade simmons last year and keep butler and get a new coach, we would be in the finals this year.

[Sixerscan]

He floated around refusing to shoot for like half the season. He acted like a baby because Brett Brown didn't run P&R.

Real championship behavior is acting like a petulant child.

The three point shooting thing was weird but they also had an awesome offense with him playing like that. He’s taking even fewer 3s with Miami fwiw, just not his game.

He didn’t act like a baby, he acted like Jimmy Butler. If they weren’t prepared for Jimmy Butler to act like Jimmy Butler they shouldn’t have traded for Jimmy Butler.

bingo. Jimmy had issues in minneosta because kat and wiggins were JUST LIKE ben simmons and brett brown. No accountability, no TRUE desire to win, just in name sake only. Then philly fans get offended when butler realizes simmons and brown are exactly like the 2 in minnesota, and lord have mercy cant have anyone criticize his holyness ben simmons.

If the reports are true and brand wanted to trade simmons last year and keep butler and get a new coach, we would be in the finals this year.

Butler didn’t react to the philly situation anywhere near as bad as Minny. And the Sixers has much more success before butler, with butler and after butler compared to minny. So no, I think you’re projecting acting like they were analogous situations. Which makes their apparent shock that Jimmy Butler would act like Jimmy Butler even weirder.

I’m very dubious of any report that brand or anyone in the front office secretly wanted to do something different. It’s nonsense that’s easy to say in retrospect.

[Stanford]

He didn’t act like a baby, he acted like Jimmy Butler.

Yeah, he acts like a petulant child when he doesn't like what's going on. That's what acting like Jimmy Butler means.

If they weren’t prepared for Jimmy Butler to act like Jimmy Butler they shouldn’t have traded for Jimmy Butler.

I've said as much on this board before. My post was essentially "I wish Jimmy Butler acted less like Jimmy Butler, because he's exactly what we need." There's no disagreement.