2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

[yourewrong]

Yeah for the Sixers at this exact moment:

I think fit: Ball (and Monk) for immediate need

Upside: Jackson/Smith

Safest: Fultz/Ball

Ball has significantly more upside than Dennis Smith. Unlike Ball, DSJ has no conceivable path to being a great distributor or good defender.

I agree about the defense, but I think DSJ could easily be a great distributor. Obviously not Ball good, but his athleticism will cause a lot of problems eventually and he could be able to rack up assists like Westbrook. Westbrook isn't an amazing passer, but he creates so many issues that someone is always open for him.

I think his vision is good but I have big doubts about his actually ability to make the passes. He's not a terribly accurate or crisp passer. If he can develop this part of his game, then he could be a good NBA passer, but I think you really have to extrapolate to project him as great in that category.

[dkj5061]

Ball has significantly more upside than Dennis Smith. Unlike Ball, DSJ has no conceivable path to being a great distributor or good defender.

I agree about the defense, but I think DSJ could easily be a great distributor. Obviously not Ball good, but his athleticism will cause a lot of problems eventually and he could be able to rack up assists like Westbrook. Westbrook isn't an amazing passer, but he creates so many issues that someone is always open for him.

I think his vision is good but I have big doubts about his actually ability to make the passes. He's not a terribly accurate or crisp passer. If he can develop this part of his game, then he could be a good NBA passer, but I think you really have to extrapolate to project him as great in that category.

That's true, I think the word great was strong. I also don't think his distributing would be a good fit with Simmons. DSJ will probably need the ball in his hands to break the defense down for his assists, where as Ball is incredible at making the perfect passes in a system and finding the open man immediately after he touches the ball.

[Negrodamus]

Jesus Christ, between Fox and Briscoe, I don't know who's worse at shooting threes.

[Negrodamus]

And Monk is playing exceptionally thus far. Massive block on man to man defense and he's not taking JR Smith type shots. Actually making great passes within the offense. Problem is, no one else can shoot.

[Negrodamus]

29-20 UK ahead of Alabama; 29-18 Duke ahead of Clemson at the half.

Some low scoring games today.

[Vince5693]

What do you guys think of Jaylen Brunson's potential at the next level?
He's not flashy but he's as smart as they get.

[dkj5061]

Honestly, this draft is so deep at the guard position that I'm starting to rethink my dream scenario. I'd love Fultz, but Josh Jackson is so so good. I wouldn't mind at all if our pick ended up 2nd or 3rd, and the Lakers at 4 or 5. Then we could nab Jackson with the first pick and still get DSJ or Monk with the second.

[yourewrong]

Honestly, this draft is so deep at the guard position that I'm starting to rethink my dream scenario. I'd love Fultz, but Josh Jackson is so so good. I wouldn't mind at all if our pick ended up 2nd or 3rd, and the Lakers at 4 or 5. Then we could nab Jackson with the first pick and still get DSJ or Monk with the second.

I personally hope neither of those guys would be in the conversation at 4 or 5

Well actually I'd be ok with Monk if we get Josh Jackson, but I'd still rather have Lauri to pair with Embiid

[Kobblehead]

I'm not too bullish on Brunson as a pro. Slow, unathletic, short arms, non-defender, etc.

Should be an excellent 4 year player for Jay Wright, though. Cerebral, skilled, good intangibles.

[Kobblehead]

Josh Jackson with 30. Yet another game shooting well from deep (2-4). I wouldn't even consider anyone else at #1, at this point.

[shawn_hemp]

I think Markkenan can be a really good asset to an NBA team. Just not sure if it's a good idea to take him over a position of need

[HT43]

Jackson had me scared at the end, but he still got it done. Celtics would be making a big mistake if they took Fultz over him.

[Kobblehead]

29-20 UK ahead of Alabama; 29-18 Duke ahead of Clemson at the half.

Some low scoring games today.

Briscoe down the stretch was something special.

Game could have been way different if Alabama could actually hit a free throw. That was some pretty poor foul discipline by Kentucky in that game.

[Slizeezyc]

Jackson had me scared at the end, but he still got it done. Celtics would be making a big mistake if they took Fultz over him.

I guess if they want to let Bradley walk it makes sense. But depends on what they want to do with Zeke too. Feel like they need the PG/combo guard more than the wing if the talent is about equal.

[LloydFree]

Jackson had me scared at the end, but he still got it done. Celtics would be making a big mistake if they took Fultz over him.

Not just Boston. Whoever takes Fultz over Jackson will be making a big mistake. Jackson is a better prospect.

[Ericb5]

I'm not too bullish on Brunson as a pro. Slow, unathletic, short arms, non-defender, etc.

Should be an excellent 4 year player for Jay Wright, though. Cerebral, skilled, good intangibles.

Same thoughts. Hopefully sticks around and continues to make Nova one of the top teams in the country, but not a pro prospect. Basically a similar player to his father.


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[Vince5693]

I'm not too bullish on Brunson as a pro. Slow, unathletic, short arms, non-defender, etc.

Should be an excellent 4 year player for Jay Wright, though. Cerebral, skilled, good intangibles.

Gotcha, thanks for the input. That's what I figured but I was just curious since he plays so physical and smart for a sophomore.
I'm fine with that, I think bridges and divinchenzo(if he starts sinking his 3s) may have a future in the NBA.

[Sampagne]

Looked ineffective, rarely penetrated and was unable to do much in transition.

I have serious doubts about Ball's play-making ability facing physical/athletic NBA guards outside of transition scenarios. Also he's just not good defensively. Consistently gets wiped on screens.

Umm, did you not see him shutdown the best player on the ducks last night for the enitre 2nd half?

Also the only reason he only had 1 assist was because his teammates shots werent falling like they usually do

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UCLA wasn't playing man defense -- or at least not a traditional man to man -- for much of the game. Ball was playing at the top of the zone and being very active though, yes. UCLA as a team just played better defense in the second half, and Oregon just stopped making every shot known to man, which was bound to happen at some point.

They were playing a zone with Lonzo shadowing Brooks everytime he was on the perimeter

[Sampagne]

Fultz sitting out again today, hasnt played since the showdown with Lonzo... Confidence may be shot or he realized this team is ass and dont want to play with them ala Fournette with LSU... Either way not good

[Marcus]

Josh mafuggin Jackson