Negrodamus wrote:HotelVitale wrote:That's not really my stance. Almost every single player does stuff in the NCAA that isn't possible in the NBA, everyone's of course going to be a different player playing against guys who are smaller and slower and weaker on average. If you played high school ball, for example, you know that some players are totally dominant in JV but are role players on varsity, some are dominant on varsity but can't crack even a D3 college team, etc.Negrodamus wrote: Okay. You can take that stance. The "yea, he can do it in college, but not in the NBA" excuse is a bit lost on me. He's 6'5 with a 6'9 wingspan and has thrown down over Kentucky players. He's been one of the best defenders in the country. And offensive rebounds are not a matter of size, but rather determination. I think it was Larry Bird that said "most rebounds happen below the rim".
Point is, every prospect has to be seen in terms of NBA projectable skills and abilities. In that video, Thornwell isn't making NBA moves; that's not to say for sure he doesn't have them or can't develop them, but those drives look to me like he's just waltzing towards the lane fairly slowly and having guys hack at him. That's not a projectable NBA ability, or at least not one he'll be able to do all game--like say Tyreke Evans, who's the same size but has great quickness and devastating foot work (and still isn't that great in the NBA).
(I also sincerely hope you don't think that offensive rebounds are really about 'determination, not size.' It definitely helps to have determination--and you screwed without a basic nose for the ball--but you need size to be able to get them, end of story. Real NBA players are huge and do the correct fundamental thing like 90% of the time--coaches won't let them play otherwise--so that advantage will dry up pretty quickly (though a good motor of course always helps some.))
And naturally we're only talking about offense here, right? We're not acknowledging the dominate defense he plays, which is frequently a fatal flaw with evaluating prospects on here.
I'm not looking to make Sindarius our go-to ball handler. He's a role player on offense; spot up shooting with occasional driving if the opportunity presents itself.
And yes, I am saying that. You know who agrees with me? 6'6 Charles Barkley, 6'7 Wes Unseld, 6'7 Dennis Rodman, 6'7 Ben Wallace, 6'7 Shawn Marion, etc etc. All those guys are top 50 offensive rebounders all time from various eras. There's nothing special about them besides determination.
While I agree rebounding is in part about determination, you're overstating it. All the guys you mentioned were also amazing athletes.
