Trade Deadline Rumors Thread (Update pg. 24)

eyeatoma · Post #281 » by **eyeatoma** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 6:12 am

Only problem with that is that you still don't have a go to scorer. I think Turner has that mentality...If it doesn't work out, I'd do that trade in the summer. Give it some time...

granger05 · Post #282 » by **granger05** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 7:22 am

Granger for Turner, Nocioni, extra salary

Pacers could add the right to swap picks this year. After this trade I'd expect Philly to seize the #3 seed and the Pacers to drop back to ~6th or so and fall behind some Western teams so the pick swap would be something like 8 slots (?).

Granger for Turner + Nocioni works on its own but leaves Philly taking on an extra 1/2 million in salary or so. Adding in someone like Brackins would allow Philly to save some money in the deal (~ $1 million + luxury tax). Brackins doesn't get any burn, but I don't know how well liked he is.

The Pacers need someone who can create with the ball in their hands and you guys need some scoring, plus the Iggy/Turner and Granger/George positional messes have been discussed elsewhere ad nauseum. Granger's shooting like ass thus far in the season, but I think he'd really thrive getting to play off of Igoudala.

eyeatoma · Post #283 » by **eyeatoma** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:08 am

Granger is injury prone, no thanks your proposal should be in the fantasy trade thread...This is for legitimate rumors from our source...

ProcessDoctor · Post #284 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 8:25 am

SF1976, any interest in Josh Smith?

Post #285 » by **Foshan** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:02 am

eyeatoma wrote:Granger is injury prone, no thanks your proposal should be in the fantasy trade thread...This is for legitimate rumors from our source...

lol the last 5 pages reads like a fantasy trade thread imo

KrazySixersD · Post #286 » by **KrazySixersD** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 2:07 pm

i love me some turner at the PG, but acquiring granger without giving up iggy HAS to be really thought about... because that could be a really lethal combo, granger is a legit scorer in this league with size and range

i dont care if hes shooting a bit down this year.. that really needs to be given some thought

steveb21 · Post #287 » by **steveb21** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 2:30 pm

Would it be out of the real of possibilities that Lou is the one who gets moved for someone like Matthews/Martin? And would Collins consider moving Jrue to the bench to take over the 6th man/1st guard off the bench role?

Seems to me that it could be a logical move (if Jrue goes for it). He could give you everything Lou does plus size and defense...provided Turned has success at the point. Chances are we're going to have to overpay Lou to keep him or just let him walk this year anyway.

Thoughts?

ZzAzZ · Post #288 » by **ZzAzZ** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 2:58 pm

Jrue for Eric Gordon extended. Make it happen.

ankle420breaker · Post #289 » by **ankle420breaker** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:05 pm

steveb21 wrote:Would it be out of the real of possibilities that Lou is the one who gets moved for someone like Matthews/Martin? And would Collins consider moving Jrue to the bench to take over the 6th man/1st guard off the bench role?

Seems to me that it could be a logical move (if Jrue goes for it). He could give you everything Lou does plus size and defense...provided Turned has success at the point. Chances are we're going to have to overpay Lou to keep him or just let him walk this year anyway.

Thoughts?

I could see Lou as a dark horse to get moved mainly because there is a good chance he opts out after this season and the team could opt to trade him while his value is at its highest. It'll be interesting to see what happens there.

I wouldn't bet on Holiday coming off the bench, nor do I think he should. Jrue isn't a 6th man.

Gsraider · Post #290 » by **Gsraider** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:09 pm

bebopdeluxe wrote:Which, in essence, is Josh Smith for a #1 and cap relief?

No way ATL does that.

Josh Smith is a top 6-8 PF...a top-5 shot blocker and quality rebounder. While I would understand that others wouldn't want to do it, I think you would have to trade Thad to make it happen.

The reason I even mentioned his name in the first place is because he recently requested a trade and there have been rumblings in the past that ATL would like to get out from underneath his big contract and away from some of his complaint-type tendencies. Even still, the initial offer of Lou, Nocioni and a #1 was more of an attempt to guage whether ATL is more eager to just get rid of him or if they would want real value for him. Guys are dumped all the time because of their contracts and I have no idea what the open interest is around the league. If it's substantial, Philly has no chance with that offer. If it's minimal however, and ATL would like to part ways with Smith, than it might have a chance of at least starting discussions IF ATL likes Lou and would be interested in re-signing him this off-season. Otherwise, it's a moot point or just a conversation starter. My only point is that I would inquire, but I would not be inclined to part with Young for him.

SparksFly87 · Post #291 » by **SparksFly87** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:10 pm

ZzAzZ wrote:Jrue for Eric Gordon extended. Make it happen.

I like Jrue better with Iggy and Turner. I believe they can all play together Jrue can definitely play off ball and spot up plus not injury prone and is taller.

What we should do is get Josh Smith here. Lou Will, Thad and Nocioni for Josh Smith and Hinrich.

Adding to our core skills we need.

ankle420breaker · Post #292 » by **ankle420breaker** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:14 pm

Change it to Lou Will/Hawes/Nocioni & 1st for Josh Smith and I'd do it.

ZzAzZ · Post #293 » by **ZzAzZ** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:15 pm

Jrue over Gordon straight up? Eeesh, I can respect it but completely think it's crazy at the same time, unless part of your reasoning is injury history.

Gsraider · Post #294 » by **Gsraider** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:16 pm

steveb21 wrote:Would it be out of the real of possibilities that Lou is the one who gets moved for someone like Matthews/Martin? And would Collins consider moving Jrue to the bench to take over the 6th man/1st guard off the bench role?

Seems to me that it could be a logical move (if Jrue goes for it). He could give you everything Lou does plus size and defense...provided Turned has success at the point. Chances are we're going to have to overpay Lou to keep him or just let him walk this year anyway.

Not sure about Holiday moving to the bench, but I have been pushing the prospect of shopping Lou as the primary bait for awhile now. To any team that could provide help. With Lou being speculated by everyone to opt out this summer, Philly only appears to have two options: 1) lose him for nothing; or 2) overpay him to stay. Collins appears to have a man crush on Lou, but while he's a good player and spark off the bench offensively, this may be the best time to try and obtain value for him. I would be just fine with a Lou for Matthews move as the primary components. It would take more for Martin, but it would have to be a package built around Lou as the centerpiece. Turner or Iguodala doesn't really interest me. Hell, I even agree with Krazy as it relates to Hickson. He's floundering in Sacto, but I thought he looked pretty solid in CLE the season before. Could it just be Sacto? Hawes certainly looks better now than he did there. Same could apply to Jason Thompson.

KrazySixersD · Post #295 » by **KrazySixersD** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:32 pm

last year after the all star break hickson was averaging like 17 ppg and 9 rpg give or take IIRC...

we could get him for basically nothing... we could probably get hickson and thompson for lou and allen more than likely

the only plausible deal with atlanta that both teams would consider, not just us... would be lou, thad, nocioni, and our 1st for smith and hinrich

im not sure why we wouldnt do that

btw.. we cant trade hawes i believe

Gsraider · Post #296 » by **Gsraider** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 3:55 pm

KrazySixersD wrote:last year after the all star break hickson was averaging like 17 ppg and 9 rpg give or take IIRC...we could get him for basically nothing... we could probably get hickson and thompson for lou and allen more than likely

the only plausible deal with atlanta that both teams would consider, not just us... would be lou, thad, nocioni, and our 1st for smith and hinrich

im not sure why we wouldnt do that

You don't have to sell me on Hickson. I saw him in CLE, know that players often go to die in Sacto, and his salary is so low it doesn't really matter if he flames out or not. Oh yes, that and Philly could use a physical player that could help them on the boards.

I'm not as bullish on including Young in that mix to get Smith though. Smith is very talented, but has had his share of cancerous moments in ATL and has been cited as a coach killer more than once, so there is risk there. Meanwhile, Young is a heck of a talent in his own right and under contract for years to come with plenty of upside to boot. Plus, he's about as coachable and a team player as anyone. I would have to think long and hard about this one, but it's not a no-brainer for me.

Post #297 » by **Foshan** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 4:03 pm

KrazySixersD wrote:
btw.. we cant trade hawes i believe

we can if he agrees to it... atlanta would be a great spot (imo) if they could open up some $$ room to sign him long term. Not sure that is possible though.

KrazySixersD · Post #298 » by **KrazySixersD** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 4:36 pm

ya i would hate to give up young, but i dont think smith has been as bad as people make him out to be

i also think this team with smith has a much higher upside than atlanta who has basically been the same team for like 3 or 4 years

Kobblehead · Post #299 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 4:41 pm

There's no way Collins would sign off on losing his most coachable player on the team for one of the least coachable players in the league. Then again, how much is Collins controlling this team nowadays.

ankle420breaker · Post #300 » by **ankle420breaker** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 4:43 pm

I like Smith, but would hate to give up on Young. I'd move Lou, Nocioni, our 1st, Meeks, Allen, and Hawes but if we can hang onto Young and somehow acquire Smith that would be gravy. Doubt Atlanta would go for it though considering Lou and Teague are fairly similar.