Embiid Updates/Discussion

[Unbreakable99]

^^^ Guys, there are not really very many possibilities, here, and they are available to anyone with Google. If you want to provide something factual to contest one of these possibilities, please do, but calling this "speculation" and "conjecture" is kind of a waste of a post. Thanks.

It is speculation. You don't know all the facts. You say things as though it's 100% true. Thanks.

And where have I stated something 100%? Thanks.

You made an educated guess. It makes sense with some good info included but you still don't know for sure. That's speculation. If I watched a game and saw someone land awkwardly on their knee I could say they tore their ACL. It's an educated guess but it's still speculation until we get the results.

[XtremeDunkz]

I would offer the TWolves all our picks this year and next year for the #1 pick. Noel/Towns would be an amazing duo. It looks like a long shot we will be able to rely on Embiid.

Holy crap.

No.

[Hardcore6erFan]

I would offer the TWolves all our picks this year and next year for the #1 pick. Noel/Towns would be an amazing duo. It looks like a long shot we will be able to rely on Embiid.

I might do #3 and Embiid for #1, #31, Bennett, Budinger

[TorturedFan76]

The problem with a med student, and a professor of Orthopedics, is that there is actually a bit of a difference between orthopedics, and sports medicine.
For example, take the article referenced by the med student. It mentions treatment is usually 6 weeks in a cast. Well, in sports medicine, especially with elite athletes with this injury, that doesnt happen. Treatment is usually straight to surgery.
Treatment and recovery are different. Even though sports medicine is orthopedics, orthopedics isnt always sports medicine.
In ortho, you want the lay person to recover to be able to perform their activities of daily living. Treatment and rehab differe in that case, from that of an elite athlete whos goals are far and above just perorming ADLs. They need to get back to competition at an eltie level.

So, unfortunately, while you will find many articles on nacvicular fractures which will state the healing rate is quite good, there are a few if you look hard that mention navicular fractures in elite athletes. A key differentiation (obviously more relevant to Embiid) . And in those cases, its not quite so good.

The glimmer of hope we have, is the tidbit about follow up imaging not being so reliable. While it may have a high sensitivity (not miss many navicular fractures), the specificity seems to be low (false positives) when it comes to follow ups and finding concurrent pathologies such as the cysts that have been mentioned.
This may very well be nothing. While it may be true that something is showing up in the CT scan, internally the 6ers may not be worried at all. But you know this kind of news is going to cause a stir in the media. So it could be a smoke screen.

I see a lot of people saying we dont need a smoke screen.
Well, if our guy is Russell as many believed a few weeks ago, what if some team wanted him and trades up in front of us for him?
Now with all the talk of Embiid suffering a setback, teams may think we can seriously consider Okafor if he is there. Or the hot one lately is Porzingis.
So now teams dont feel so strongly that they need to hop over us for Russell. It can only help.

[MRxBLACK]

I would offer the TWolves all our picks this year and next year for the #1 pick. Noel/Towns would be an amazing duo. It looks like a long shot we will be able to rely on Embiid.

Holy crap.

No.

Getting Towns guarantees a dominant front court. If you have that, it's easy to build a contender.

[James40]

Obviously Embiid busting would be a disaster.

Where have you been that you feel that you need to make that point now?

We NEVER would have been able to draft him at 3 if there wasn't a real chance that he would medically bust.

Nobody is arguing that we will be fine if he busts. We are arguing that, even with that bust potential, he was the right pick last year, plus we still don't know anything about the condition of his foot that makes him more likely to bust today than what we knew back then.



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He has been here the whole time, he like myself and a few others were extremely skeptical of the Embiid pick, and I'm sorry but if Embiid doesn't play for the Sixers, or plays 40-50 games a year then yes it was the wrong pick.

Those of us who didn't love the Embiid pick was because of two reasons
1. Injury history.
2. Wanting to see the Sixers trying to win some games.

That doesn't make either side wrong yet.....

We didn't pass up anyone in the draft though. Gordon/Exum/Smart could be nice players, but are hardly franchise changers.

Maybe, maybe not, but neither is a guy who can't get on the court. I'd take Marcus Smart on this team over Embiid who may never be healthy.

I think it's strange that back in March he put the boot on and got checked out, now, a few months later there may be a setback, I wonder if it hasn't healed since then, or not enough since then.

[TigerInYourTank]

It is speculation. You don't know all the facts. You say things as though it's 100% true. Thanks.

And where have I stated something 100%? Thanks.

You made an educated guess. It makes sense with some good info included but you still don't know for sure. That's speculation. If I watched a game and saw someone land awkwardly on their knee I could say they tore their ACL. It's an educated guess but it's still speculation until we get the results.

So you agree that I haven't said anything that is 100%? Essentially, you agree that I am aware that I am speculating? Perhaps you even agree that the vast majority of posts in this forum are speculation and known as such?

What if I had broken both navicular bones in roughly the same way that Embiid has/had in one foot? Would I be more free to consider speculating on this forum about this topic without it being (correctly, but superfluously) labeled as speculation (over and over)?

EDIT: Actually, I'm done with this conversation. I have posted links, prior to this post, from sources that have mostly contradicted my feelings about what is really happening and you say some crap like I am acting like I am 100% right.

[Ericb5]

Embiid is/was the centerpiece. Lets not try to rewrite that part of this.

If he is unable to go or be good...that is a massive setback. I like Noel..but he isn't a star that leads teams. Russell, Mudiay, and perhaps Kristaps isnt that either. Even if Noel, Saric, whoever is good...I don't feel ATM that they have star potential...so we are right back where we started or yet again tanking...and that sucks.

Obviously Embiid busting would be a disaster.

Where have you been that you feel that you need to make that point now?

We NEVER would have been able to draft him at 3 if there wasn't a real chance that he would medically bust.

Nobody is arguing that we will be fine if he busts. We are arguing that, even with that bust potential, he was the right pick last year, plus we still don't know anything about the condition of his foot that makes him more likely to bust today than what we knew back then.



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He has been here the whole time, he like myself and a few others were extremely skeptical of the Embiid pick, and I'm sorry but if Embiid doesn't play for the Sixers, or plays 40-50 games a year then yes it was the wrong pick.

Those of us who didn't love the Embiid pick was because of two reasons
1. Injury history.
2. Wanting to see the Sixers trying to win some games.

That doesn't make either side wrong yet.....

Absolutely true.

Neither side is wrong yet.




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[Stills12]

When I hear news that Embiid will not be ready to attend practice in October... then I will become concerned.

I don't agree with the other parts of your post but this i totally agree with. If he misses time, i will be very concerned. But right now (with the info we have so far) its not that much of a concern.

But then again i wasn't concerned throughout the whole Bynum fiasco, so what do i know!

[DavidHume]

It is delusionally optimistic that some of you guys think this is a smokescreen. You do realize the following people would have to be in on the conspiracy:
- Hinkie
- Sixers ownership
- Brett Brown
- Embiid
- Embiid's agent
- Embiid's family
- Dr. Richard Ferkel

The same people who think this could be a smokescreen are the same people who think this isn't the end of the world and Embiid will be fine. If Embiid can't heal properly in 12 months when the real healing time is 5-8 months then how can you expect him to play 82+ games a year for the next 10+ years? Be realistic people. There's a 90% chance Embiid is another Oden situation. I pray to god I'm wrong but I'm almost certain I'm not.

I'm sure your statistical probability is about to be questioned by some on this forum.....I agree with you, although even I think 90% is too high....I'm more in the 75% range.

When most of us read someone talking about "statistical probability", with numbers like 90% or 75%, we assume that it involves some actual math. Probability involves an actual mathematical calculation, with actual numbers in the numerator and actual numbers in the denominator. And those actual numbers come from actual data acquired in a reliable and unbiased manner.

The two of you evidently think that "statistical probability" just means one person's personal subjective opinion, which you are perfectly welcome to have.

[Unbreakable99]

And where have I stated something 100%? Thanks.

You made an educated guess. It makes sense with some good info included but you still don't know for sure. That's speculation. If I watched a game and saw someone land awkwardly on their knee I could say they tore their ACL. It's an educated guess but it's still speculation until we get the results.

So you agree that I haven't said anything that is 100%? Essentially, you agree that I am aware that I am speculating? Perhaps you even agree that the vast majority of posts in this forum are speculation and known as such?

What if I had broken both navicular bones in roughly the same way that Embiid has/had in one foot? Would I be more free to consider speculating on this forum about this topic without it being (correctly, but superfluously) labeled as speculation (over and over)?

The bottom line is that it would still be speculation whether you had the same procedure or not. That's all. You don't know what the "setback" is. Just educated guesses.

[LloydFree]

I would offer the TWolves all our picks this year and next year for the #1 pick. Noel/Towns would be an amazing duo. It looks like a long shot we will be able to rely on Embiid.

Holy crap.

No.

Getting Towns guarantees a dominant front court. If you have that, it's easy to build a contender.

I'd like to get Towns too, but that doesn't guarantee a dominant frontcourt. I don't think it's a given that Noel will be a dominant player.

Trading all of the 76ers picks for Towns would be a bad panic move. What if the 76ers pick is top 3 again next year, and the Lakers' pick is say 6th? You just traded D'angelo Russell, Skal Labbissere and Brandon Ingram for Karl Towns. You can't make a deal like that, involving that many lottery picks.

[c3neely]

Embiid is/was the centerpiece. Lets not try to rewrite that part of this.

If he is unable to go or be good...that is a massive setback. I like Noel..but he isn't a star that leads teams. Russell, Mudiay, and perhaps Kristaps isnt that either. Even if Noel, Saric, whoever is good...I don't feel ATM that they have star potential...so we are right back where we started or yet again tanking...and that sucks.

Obviously Embiid busting would be a disaster.

Where have you been that you feel that you need to make that point now?

We NEVER would have been able to draft him at 3 if there wasn't a real chance that he would medically bust.

Nobody is arguing that we will be fine if he busts. We are arguing that, even with that bust potential, he was the right pick last year, plus we still don't know anything about the condition of his foot that makes him more likely to bust today than what we knew back then.



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He has been here the whole time, he like myself and a few others were extremely skeptical of the Embiid pick, and I'm sorry but if Embiid doesn't play for the Sixers, or plays 40-50 games a year then yes it was the wrong pick.

Those of us who didn't love the Embiid pick was because of two reasons
1. Injury history.
2. Wanting to see the Sixers trying to win some games.

That doesn't make either side wrong yet.....

and you wouldve preferred who....? Aaron Gordon? (ironically missed the whole season)... Randle (Ironically missed the whole season, and has a screw in his foot as well)

Im freakin the hell out too, but at the end of the day I cant hate on the pick or their thought process behind it. This guy is going to be a giant difference maker on the court...we just need to avoid long lay offs (aka another surgery) and trust in the advancements in medicine these days. I do kind of hate when people point to the guys with the injury that "did" make it (Ilgaskaus....stiff as a board and shot jumpshots) and Bill Walton (i admit I havent seen enough old school tape of the guy...im curious how he looked pre vs post injury). We also have to take into account the specifics on the injury...and really just trust that Hinkie and company have done their due diligence in all aspects of evaluating the injury and the expected prognosis..and going from there.

At the same time, a part of me wants to sceam "ANARCHYYYY" and burn the city down after hearing the news...but i suppose cooler heads shall prevail

[DavidHume]

Embiid is/was the centerpiece. Lets not try to rewrite that part of this.

If he is unable to go or be good...that is a massive setback. I like Noel..but he isn't a star that leads teams. Russell, Mudiay, and perhaps Kristaps isnt that either. Even if Noel, Saric, whoever is good...I don't feel ATM that they have star potential...so we are right back where we started or yet again tanking...and that sucks.

Obviously Embiid busting would be a disaster.

Where have you been that you feel that you need to make that point now?

We NEVER would have been able to draft him at 3 if there wasn't a real chance that he would medically bust.

Nobody is arguing that we will be fine if he busts. We are arguing that, even with that bust potential, he was the right pick last year, plus we still don't know anything about the condition of his foot that makes him more likely to bust today than what we knew back then.



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He has been here the whole time, he like myself and a few others were extremely skeptical of the Embiid pick, and I'm sorry but if Embiid doesn't play for the Sixers, or plays 40-50 games a year then yes it was the wrong pick.

Those of us who didn't love the Embiid pick was because of two reasons
1. Injury history.
2. Wanting to see the Sixers trying to win some games.

That doesn't make either side wrong yet.....

You're saying that whether it was a good decision or a bad decision to draft Embiid depends on future events. This is just so wrong.

The only way to evaluate a decision is based upon the information that is available at the time that the decision is made. So on draft day 2014, it was either a good decision or it was a bad decision. And that can't change.

[Ericb5]

Obviously Embiid busting would be a disaster.

Where have you been that you feel that you need to make that point now?

We NEVER would have been able to draft him at 3 if there wasn't a real chance that he would medically bust.

Nobody is arguing that we will be fine if he busts. We are arguing that, even with that bust potential, he was the right pick last year, plus we still don't know anything about the condition of his foot that makes him more likely to bust today than what we knew back then.



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He has been here the whole time, he like myself and a few others were extremely skeptical of the Embiid pick, and I'm sorry but if Embiid doesn't play for the Sixers, or plays 40-50 games a year then yes it was the wrong pick.

Those of us who didn't love the Embiid pick was because of two reasons
1. Injury history.
2. Wanting to see the Sixers trying to win some games.

That doesn't make either side wrong yet.....

and you wouldve preferred who....? Aaron Gordon? (ironically missed the whole season)... Randle (Ironically missed the whole season, and has a screw in his foot as well)

Im freakin the hell out too, but at the end of the day I cant hate on the pick or their thought process behind it. This guy is going to be a giant difference maker on the court...we just need to avoid long lay offs (aka another surgery) and trust in the advancements in medicine these days. I do kind of hate when people point to the guys with the injury that "did" make it (Ilgaskaus....stiff as a board and shot jumpshots) and Bill Walton (i admit I havent seen enough old school tape of the guy...im curious how he looked pre vs post injury). We also have to take into account the specifics on the injury...and really just trust that Hinkie and company have done their due diligence in all aspects of evaluating the injury and the expected prognosis..and going from there.

At the same time, a part of me wants to sceam "ANARCHYYYY" and burn the city down after hearing the news...but i suppose cooler heads shall prevail

Bill Walton is absolutely not an example of someone who made it. He was someone with all world talent that was a shell of himself after the injuries started happening.

He is the perfect example of medical mismanagement.

Embiid is a guy with world class modern medicine, AND most importantly, his injury was caught immediately. Most of the most serious repercussions of navicular fractures come AFTER the injury, but BEFORE the diagnosis.

We are in great shape in that regard.




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[NYSixersFan]

It is delusionally optimistic that some of you guys think this is a smokescreen. You do realize the following people would have to be in on the conspiracy:
- Hinkie
- Sixers ownership
- Brett Brown
- Embiid
- Embiid's agent
- Embiid's family
- Dr. Richard Ferkel

The same people who think this could be a smokescreen are the same people who think this isn't the end of the world and Embiid will be fine. If Embiid can't heal properly in 12 months when the real healing time is 5-8 months then how can you expect him to play 82+ games a year for the next 10+ years? Be realistic people. There's a 90% chance Embiid is another Oden situation. I pray to god I'm wrong but I'm almost certain I'm not.

I'm sure your statistical probability is about to be questioned by some on this forum.....I agree with you, although even I think 90% is too high....I'm more in the 75% range.

When most of us read someone talking about "statistical probability", with numbers like 90% or 75%, we assume that it involves some actual math. Probability involves an actual mathematical calculation, with actual numbers in the numerator and actual numbers in the denominator. And those actual numbers come from actual data acquired in a reliable and unbiased manner.

The two of you evidently think that "statistical probability" just means one person's personal subjective opinion, which you are perfectly welcome to have.

How many big guys with back and foot injuries have a healthy career? That's what I'm basing my percentage on

[DavidHume]

I'm sure your statistical probability is about to be questioned by some on this forum.....I agree with you, although even I think 90% is too high....I'm more in the 75% range.

When most of us read someone talking about "statistical probability", with numbers like 90% or 75%, we assume that it involves some actual math. Probability involves an actual mathematical calculation, with actual numbers in the numerator and actual numbers in the denominator. And those actual numbers come from actual data acquired in a reliable and unbiased manner.

The two of you evidently think that "statistical probability" just means one person's personal subjective opinion, which you are perfectly welcome to have.

How many big guys with back and foot injuries have a healthy career? That's what I'm basing my percentage on

That was a question. No numbers. You're basing your percentage on a question?

[NYSixersFan]

When most of us read someone talking about "statistical probability", with numbers like 90% or 75%, we assume that it involves some actual math. Probability involves an actual mathematical calculation, with actual numbers in the numerator and actual numbers in the denominator. And those actual numbers come from actual data acquired in a reliable and unbiased manner.

The two of you evidently think that "statistical probability" just means one person's personal subjective opinion, which you are perfectly welcome to have.

How many big guys with back and foot injuries have a healthy career? That's what I'm basing my percentage on

That was a question. No numbers. You're basing your percentage on a question?

It was an estimate...Of course I can't give you an exact percentage. This is all semantics on your part

[c3neely]

I'm sure your statistical probability is about to be questioned by some on this forum.....I agree with you, although even I think 90% is too high....I'm more in the 75% range.

When most of us read someone talking about "statistical probability", with numbers like 90% or 75%, we assume that it involves some actual math. Probability involves an actual mathematical calculation, with actual numbers in the numerator and actual numbers in the denominator. And those actual numbers come from actual data acquired in a reliable and unbiased manner.

The two of you evidently think that "statistical probability" just means one person's personal subjective opinion, which you are perfectly welcome to have.

How many big guys with back and foot injuries have a healthy career? That's what I'm basing my percentage on

So we then have Big Z who couldnt move....and Michael Jordan (who didnt require surgery from all accounts i know...so that doesnt count)


Great. I will defer to Hinkie and his staff until we hear "more surgery required"

[DavidHume]

How many big guys with back and foot injuries have a healthy career? That's what I'm basing my percentage on

That was a question. No numbers. You're basing your percentage on a question?

It was an estimate...Of course I can't give you an exact percentage. This is all semantics on your part

Oh, it's an estimate. That's quite different. Wait a minute ... no it isn't. Because in order to come up with an estimate, you still have to base it on something concrete. The only way to come up with a meaningful estimate is to have access to reliable data.