So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[eyeatoma]

Ughgh, this better not be happening for bigger deals. Already heard that Doc said he wanted to keep Ben so that might have been the nail in the coffin on the Harden deal. Are we ever going to get a good trade if Doc keeps shooting things down. This is disappointing to read. Why did we hire Morey if he's not allowed to do his job. He's Doc's boss.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/nba-rumors-daryl-morey-several-sixers-trades-james-harden-bradley-beal-zach-lavine

There's no way this is true.

I mean, Rivers even said it in a quote.

[Stanford]

Ughgh, this better not be happening for bigger deals. Already heard that Doc said he wanted to keep Ben so that might have been the nail in the coffin on the Harden deal. Are we ever going to get a good trade if Doc keeps shooting things down. This is disappointing to read. Why did we hire Morey if he's not allowed to do his job. He's Doc's boss.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/nba-rumors-daryl-morey-several-sixers-trades-james-harden-bradley-beal-zach-lavine

There's no way this is true.

I mean, Rivers even said it in a quote.

True that he said it. I don't believe Morey would decline a deal he thinks is best for the team because Doc says so. No way.

Owner/Top management are enamored with Ben.

This is way more believable

[Black Mage]

As much as I loathe having bad character guys on the team. Would Malik Beasley be an option and if so what would it cost?

[Black Mage]

There's no way this is true.

I mean, Rivers even said it in a quote.

True that he said it. I don't believe Morey would decline a deal he thinks is best for the team because Doc says so. No way.

Owner/Top management are enamored with Ben.

This is way more believable

The quote from Doc doesn't indicate they were all "simmons" trades. It could be that Morey had trades for Josh/Al or others that Doc didn't agree with because he didn't want the player coming back.

[eyeatoma]

There's no way this is true.

I mean, Rivers even said it in a quote.

True that he said it. I don't believe Morey would decline a deal he thinks is best for the team because Doc says so. No way.

Owner/Top management are enamored with Ben.

This is way more believable

Yeah makes sense.

[eyeatoma]

I mean, Rivers even said it in a quote.

True that he said it. I don't believe Morey would decline a deal he thinks is best for the team because Doc says so. No way.

Owner/Top management are enamored with Ben.

This is way more believable

The quote from Doc doesn't indicate they were all "simmons" trades. It could be that Morey had trades for Josh/Al or others that Doc didn't agree with because he didn't want the player coming back.

Yeah that sounds plausible.

[Skates]

One of the moves Doc said no on was signing his son Austin, which made sense since that didn’t go well last time.

[spikeslovechild]

Rivers has to deal with these guys on a daily basis most of what is being reported I think is just postering with that in mind

[HardenToSixers]

my name aged exactly how the doctor wrote it

[mithrandir17]

my name aged exactly how the doctor wrote it

Don't worry. We might still get Harden when he is already 38 yrs old and already on his last leg.

[76ciology]

my name aged exactly how the doctor wrote it

Sounds more like you were forced to be a Sixers a fan

[Black Mage]

As I said previously, Danny Green's contract is the most likely one to be used to trade for an upgrade. I just don't see Morey pulling the trigger on a Simmons deal unless a guy like Dame became available.

If I have this right, we can take back 125% of the salary going out. So using just Danny gives us a range of 15 mil to 19.2 mil

I see us needing to upgrade at the SG or Wing position ideally. That or getting a lead guard. This is also presuming the teams are falling out of contention (much harder this year with the play-in games).

Options:

Terrance Ross - 13 mil
Evan Fournier - 17 mil (final yr)
Larry Nance, Jr. - 11 mil
Gary Trent, Jr. under 2.5 mil (target for a smaller contract but a name to consider)
Malik Beasley - 13.3 mil(probably the best target)
Terry Rozier - 18.9 mil (not sure if Hornets would consider giving him up or how I feel about getting him)
Jerami Grant - 19 mil (I have no idea what Detroit is planning, it should be a rebuild)
Harrison Barnes - 22 mil (salary declines each year) would need to include some filler

From that list, I'd probably look at Beasley first, but Rozier or Grant could each pan out., but I could see Barnes, Ross or Fournier being the most "gettable" guys on this list.

[eyeatoma]

As I said previously, Danny Green's contract is the most likely one to be used to trade for an upgrade. I just don't see Morey pulling the trigger on a Simmons deal unless a guy like Dame became available.

If I have this right, we can take back 125% of the salary going out. So using just Danny gives us a range of 15 mil to 19.2 mil

I see us needing to upgrade at the SG or Wing position ideally. That or getting a lead guard. This is also presuming the teams are falling out of contention (much harder this year with the play-in games).

Options:

Terrance Ross - 13 mil
Evan Fournier - 17 mil (final yr)
Larry Nance, Jr. - 11 mil
Gary Trent, Jr. under 2.5 mil (target for a smaller contract but a name to consider)
Malik Beasley - 13.3 mil(probably the best target)
Terry Rozier - 18.9 mil (not sure if Hornets would consider giving him up or how I feel about getting him)
Jerami Grant - 19 mil (I have no idea what Detroit is planning, it should be a rebuild)
Harrison Barnes - 22 mil (salary declines each year) would need to include some filler

From that list, I'd probably look at Beasley first, but Rozier or Grant could each pan out., but I could see Barnes, Ross or Fournier being the most "gettable" guys on this list.

Guaranteed that Detroit does not let Grant go. Beasley is interesting he is also a complete ****, so not sure about the fit in the team. I like Ross, and Rozier at time. Fournier is decent but has been injured the whole season. Blazers won't let Trent go now that McCollum is hurt, but Green could be a defensive upgrade for them.

[76ciology]

As I said previously, Danny Green's contract is the most likely one to be used to trade for an upgrade. I just don't see Morey pulling the trigger on a Simmons deal unless a guy like Dame became available.

If I have this right, we can take back 125% of the salary going out. So using just Danny gives us a range of 15 mil to 19.2 mil

I see us needing to upgrade at the SG or Wing position ideally. That or getting a lead guard. This is also presuming the teams are falling out of contention (much harder this year with the play-in games).

Options:

Terrance Ross - 13 mil
Evan Fournier - 17 mil (final yr)
Larry Nance, Jr. - 11 mil
Gary Trent, Jr. under 2.5 mil (target for a smaller contract but a name to consider)
Malik Beasley - 13.3 mil(probably the best target)
Terry Rozier - 18.9 mil (not sure if Hornets would consider giving him up or how I feel about getting him)
Jerami Grant - 19 mil (I have no idea what Detroit is planning, it should be a rebuild)
Harrison Barnes - 22 mil (salary declines each year) would need to include some filler

From that list, I'd probably look at Beasley first, but Rozier or Grant could each pan out., but I could see Barnes, Ross or Fournier being the most "gettable" guys on this list.

Hmm..

Something thats on my mind that im keeping to myself until now.

I think Green, Thybulle and Ben could be key in beating the Nets. Those three are some of the leagues best in deflections and blocks. And you need those three when you defend the Nets, given your defenders has to be quick on rotations and also be able to protect the rim.

If that theory of mine is wrong. Then you still need Green and even much more if you even trade Ben for a Beal and a Lavine.

Guys on that list are one of those guys the Nets would gladly choose to make a scoring battle with one of their top 3 stars.

If you are going to trade for offense, you have to go for guys like Beal or Lavine. The guys like Lowry, Barnes or Terrence Ross wouldnt even make you better in anyway. They’d just generate a lower or just as equal points per shot or possession with Shake, Seth, Maxey or Tobi. While you have to overpay or atleast give up a lot on defense.

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

Nets are the clear cut threat to the Lakers.

If I was the GM I’d trade Irving & dinwiddie so fast and try and get a defensive role players, a young player and a pick or two.

Nets have all the firepower they ever need with Durant/Harden and Harris as the sniper. That’s how valuable an individual offensive jugernaught can bring to the table. That fact gets greatly lost with the analytics/ media or fans opinions.

They have two

Don’t need a third at all

Shamet and TLC are unplayable though TLC has the length to be an acceptable defender but he’s a fair way off that.

Fix up the bench/add defensive options and it’s 100% a championship quality team.

I allude to this because of who they versed, the bucks. Now the game seemed close but in reality it wasnt.

Nets can handle the bucks no question. Giannis is light years ahead of Ben and look at what happened down the stretch.

Middleton/Holiday/Connaughton, is that championship worthy?

Harris/Curry/Milton when Embiid is covered.

Harden
Brown
Harris
Durant
Jordan

That’s a real big threat

I was listening to Raja Bell. He said that the way Suns play, they lure you to playing their game. And what made the Spurs beat them is they dictate the tempo.

If you think about the Nets, they like to lure you in a scoring battle. Like last night Bucks were trading baskets with them until the last possessions.

And in the end it’s KD hitting the big shot over Bucks relying on... Khris Middleton.

Man.. if we play them. I do expect them to lure Tobias to take those shots. Tobias would run 2 man games and DeAndre would just let him shoot those jumpers like how he did against Middleton. And Ben? They’d put KD on him and let KD’s freakish length provide help defense on Biid.

My point is, I do also think they should make some changes with their roster and play defense. But I also wouldnt be surprised if they just continue to make this game a scoring contest.

Why not? It’s what they overpaid for.

Yeah Nets would smack us in the mouth I have no doubt about that.

Their gameplan was genius when they blew out the bucks in the third (TLC & shamet was so bad only reason bucks stayed close at all)

Harden/Durant naturally have half court games, (any type of game won’t matter for either lol) they stifled the Bucks transition offence by both the slower pace, & Bucket trading pace .Especially the maestro Harden just you know taking it down the court casually then doing what he does.

Don’t get into a scoring contest with either of them they are arguably 1/2 at getting a bucket together.

Middleton/Giannis vs Harden/Durant yeah nope it won’t be close.

The thing that all great players have is that they play with their own pace, they never look rushed or hurried and 99% are extremely composed. It’s very methodical.[/quote]

Watch on YouTube

Watch this.

Look how reduced Giannis was on offense. If you watched the game you can see how frustrated he was after it.

No need to improve on defense when your center (or a big) can just sag off Giannis or Ben and play help defense.

Look at how Nets baited the Bucks to attack DJ.

Look at how Joe Harris was used as a screener to take away Middleton on KD or Jrue on Harden.

While offensively, compare how easy it is for Harden or KD to generate offense against non elite scorers

That clip didnt cover the transition possessions.

Watch some of those transition possessions here. Look at how Bucks defended Kd and Harden like some store mannequins

Watch on YouTube

[sixers4real]

If you are going to trade for offense, you have to go for guys like Beal or Lavine. The guys like Lowry, Barnes or Terrence Ross wouldnt even make you better in anyway. They’d just generate a lower or just as equal points per shot or possession with Shake, Seth, Maxey or Tobi. While you have to overpay or atleast give up a lot on defense.

That is so true. Trading defense for mediocre offense won’t improve this team.

[Sportfan73]

As I said previously, Danny Green's contract is the most likely one to be used to trade for an upgrade. I just don't see Morey pulling the trigger on a Simmons deal unless a guy like Dame became available.

If I have this right, we can take back 125% of the salary going out. So using just Danny gives us a range of 15 mil to 19.2 mil

I see us needing to upgrade at the SG or Wing position ideally. That or getting a lead guard. This is also presuming the teams are falling out of contention (much harder this year with the play-in games).

Options:

Terrance Ross - 13 mil
Evan Fournier - 17 mil (final yr)
Larry Nance, Jr. - 11 mil
Gary Trent, Jr. under 2.5 mil (target for a smaller contract but a name to consider)
Malik Beasley - 13.3 mil(probably the best target)
Terry Rozier - 18.9 mil (not sure if Hornets would consider giving him up or how I feel about getting him)
Jerami Grant - 19 mil (I have no idea what Detroit is planning, it should be a rebuild)
Harrison Barnes - 22 mil (salary declines each year) would need to include some filler

From that list, I'd probably look at Beasley first, but Rozier or Grant could each pan out., but I could see Barnes, Ross or Fournier being the most "gettable" guys on this list.

Hmm..

Something thats on my mind that im keeping to myself until now.

I think Green, Thybulle and Ben could be key in beating the Nets. Those three are some of the leagues best in deflections and blocks. And you need those three when you defend the Nets, given your defenders has to be quick on rotations and also be able to protect the rim.

If that theory of mine is wrong. Then you still need Green and even much more if you even trade Ben for a Beal and a Lavine.

Guys on that list are one of those guys the Nets would gladly choose to make a scoring battle with one of their top 3 stars.

If you are going to trade for offense, you have to go for guys like Beal or Lavine. The guys like Lowry, Barnes or Terrence Ross wouldnt even make you better in anyway. They’d just generate a lower or just as equal points per shot or possession with Shake, Seth, Maxey or Tobi. While you have to overpay or atleast give up a lot on defense.

I completely agree with thybulle, but the thing with green is you better be dang sure you can compete for a title with him and that he’s that answer, because that’s a 15 mil expiring trade chip on a capped out team. Even if they just kick the can with someone who has 1 more year and similar impact/trade value it’s worth it. I don’t see him here past the deadline personally

[76ciology]

As I said previously, Danny Green's contract is the most likely one to be used to trade for an upgrade. I just don't see Morey pulling the trigger on a Simmons deal unless a guy like Dame became available.

If I have this right, we can take back 125% of the salary going out. So using just Danny gives us a range of 15 mil to 19.2 mil

I see us needing to upgrade at the SG or Wing position ideally. That or getting a lead guard. This is also presuming the teams are falling out of contention (much harder this year with the play-in games).

Options:

Terrance Ross - 13 mil
Evan Fournier - 17 mil (final yr)
Larry Nance, Jr. - 11 mil
Gary Trent, Jr. under 2.5 mil (target for a smaller contract but a name to consider)
Malik Beasley - 13.3 mil(probably the best target)
Terry Rozier - 18.9 mil (not sure if Hornets would consider giving him up or how I feel about getting him)
Jerami Grant - 19 mil (I have no idea what Detroit is planning, it should be a rebuild)
Harrison Barnes - 22 mil (salary declines each year) would need to include some filler

From that list, I'd probably look at Beasley first, but Rozier or Grant could each pan out., but I could see Barnes, Ross or Fournier being the most "gettable" guys on this list.

Hmm..

Something thats on my mind that im keeping to myself until now.

I think Green, Thybulle and Ben could be key in beating the Nets. Those three are some of the leagues best in deflections and blocks. And you need those three when you defend the Nets, given your defenders has to be quick on rotations and also be able to protect the rim.

If that theory of mine is wrong. Then you still need Green and even much more if you even trade Ben for a Beal and a Lavine.

Guys on that list are one of those guys the Nets would gladly choose to make a scoring battle with one of their top 3 stars.

If you are going to trade for offense, you have to go for guys like Beal or Lavine. The guys like Lowry, Barnes or Terrence Ross wouldnt even make you better in anyway. They’d just generate a lower or just as equal points per shot or possession with Shake, Seth, Maxey or Tobi. While you have to overpay or atleast give up a lot on defense.

I completely agree with thybulle, but the thing with green is you better be dang sure you can compete for a title with him and that he’s that answer, because that’s a 15 mil expiring trade chip on a capped out team. Even if they just kick the can with someone who has 1 more year and similar impact/trade value it’s worth it. I don’t see him here past the deadline personally

We have a lot of expiring on the team. If an expiring can get you a guy like Barnes, ross or anyone you mentioned, then you trade Mike Scott, Ferguson, Poirier and Bradley. Even that trade exemption

[phifans]

I don't even think any team can beat Nets by defense. The more likely way of beating Nets are to attack their weakness and not try to overcome their strength. Which means you improving your offense to a degree their poor defense can't match.

Not to mention how awful your offense would be if you play Ben Green and Thybulle big times in postseason.

[DCasey91]

I don't even think any team can beat Nets by defense. The more likely way of beating Nets are to attack their weakness and not try to overcome their strength. Which means you improving your offense to a degree their poor defense can't match.

Not to mention how awful your offense would be if you play Ben Green and Thybulle big times in postseason.

Finally someone that can see it clearer and non bias.

Thybulle is barely an NBA player atm

Imagine the raptors series
Then make that player 7ft

Durant


Both of them can drop 35+ anytime they feel like it.
Once goes to the strippers two days later 40 point triple double lol.

These two players are ATG offensive talents in the whole of NBA history.

Only the Lakers have the firepower & balance Offensively/Defensively

Harden/Durant >>>>>>>>>> Embiid & co.

Nets need a backup defensive big, one role player for depth on the wings and its 50:50 between them and the lakers.

See how one player alone puts you so far ahead of everybody else?