The Playoffs Thread

[Stanford]

Post play is dead in the NBA.

So trade Embiid?

[Stanford]

Now that I think about it, I can't name a single high usage guard and center combo that has ever won a championship.

Magic and Kareem?

Well I was thinking Kobe and Shaq, who won three titles in my lifetime lol. But apparently he's not a guard.

[syntax]

Now that I think about it, I can't name a single high usage guard and center combo that has ever won a championship.

Magic and Kareem?

Well I was thinking Kobe and Shaq, who won three titles in my lifetime lol. But apparently he's not a guard.

NBA has changed a lot since Kobe and Shaq

[Negrodamus]

Just you and your true blue footy cobbers out in the Bush have been saying it.

[Stanford]

NBA has changed a lot since Kobe and Shaq

True. In today's NBA it's much easier to win a title with Omer Asik than Joel Embiid. Or so I've heard.

[zaz102]

So Kobe is a wing then? What's the difference between a high usage guard and a high usage wing in this equation? They both operate on the perimeter.

I agree. I thought you were being serious in your question. There are a good amount when you look it up, but honestly i couldn't even think of too many good centers in recent history and was trying come up with some.

To go back to conversation, no doubt Embiid and the other Curry would be sick and it's hard to picture them not being championship caliber team. I don't think it ever happens (until one of them falls off at least lol).

[syntax]

Post play is dead in the NBA.

So trade Embiid?

No I believe they can work together. Simmons is 24 and this is his first year with a competent management and coaching staff at the organisation.

[syntax]

Just you and your true blue footy cobbers out in the Bush have been saying it.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/76ers-doc-rivers-analytics-data-problems-joel-embiid-ben-simmons

If you surrounded Embiid with four shooters, that would be a better fit, but I’m also not sure it naturally works. Embiid still struggles with double teams four years into his NBA career. That it remains a way to at least limit him is a significant knock against him. Whereas Simmons has found more and more ways to counter his limitations and has figured the game out, Embiid is largely the same player he was two seasons ago.

Embiid would benefit from better spacing if the Sixers traded Simmons, but it wouldn’t matter if you could still double him effectively.

Simmons, on the other hand, looks very much like he could be a dominant force if the Sixers moved Embiid and put four shooters around him. There’s no reason you couldn’t build a “Milwaukee Light” with Simmons surrounded by shooters the way the Bucks have with Giannis Antetokounmpo. You can rightfully counter with the Bucks’ issues with the postseason, but that’s a problem to be solved in the postseason. You need to get to “our team is good enough to win a title” first, and the Sixers have not been.

[Negrodamus]

Just you and your true blue footy cobbers out in the Bush have been saying it.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/76ers-doc-rivers-analytics-data-problems-joel-embiid-ben-simmons

If you surrounded Embiid with four shooters, that would be a better fit, but I’m also not sure it naturally works. Embiid still struggles with double teams four years into his NBA career. That it remains a way to at least limit him is a significant knock against him. Whereas Simmons has found more and more ways to counter his limitations and has figured the game out, Embiid is largely the same player he was two seasons ago.

Embiid would benefit from better spacing if the Sixers traded Simmons, but it wouldn’t matter if you could still double him effectively.

Simmons, on the other hand, looks very much like he could be a dominant force if the Sixers moved Embiid and put four shooters around him. There’s no reason you couldn’t build a “Milwaukee Light” with Simmons surrounded by shooters the way the Bucks have with Giannis Antetokounmpo. You can rightfully counter with the Bucks’ issues with the postseason, but that’s a problem to be solved in the postseason. You need to get to “our team is good enough to win a title” first, and the Sixers have not been.

Why are we building a "Milwaukee Light" when Milwaukee Heavy hasn't been to the finals yet in a weak East? You want to talk about things that haven't worked, the Milwaukee system hasn't done much outside of be a good regular season team.

Unless, of course, you just want Ben to be an MVP contender and don't really care about the Sixers winning a championship. If that's the case, then your priorities are 100% correct. Everything else you've been saying about Curry and Embiid not working well together has been obvious nonsense.

[syntax]

Everything else you've been saying about Curry and Embiid not working well together has been obvious nonsense.

Why? How do they fit?

What actions will they run together?

[cool93]

There is no choice between Embiid and Simmons. Stop it. Thats like choosing between Shaq and Odom. Pretty obvious one.

[Stanford]

What actions will they run together?

Watch on YouTube

[Negrodamus]

Everything else you've been saying about Curry and Embiid not working well together has been obvious nonsense.

Why? How do they fit?

What actions will they run together?

JJ Redick had the 2 best seasons of his career playing with Embiid and he isn't half the ball handlers, scorer, playmaker that Curry is. What actions do you think will be prohibitive between one of the most versatile scorers in the league and one of the greatest shooters of all time? I just don't get your stance aside from "Embiid not a great passer out of the post" which is such small potatoes when discussing their possible synergy.

[zaz102]

Everything else you've been saying about Curry and Embiid not working well together has been obvious nonsense.

Why? How do they fit?

What actions will they run together?

Not sure if you're serious or not. They could literally do their own thing and just be there for the passes when the double/triple teams come and they would be hard to stop.

It's not going to happen though anyway so not worth losing sleep over.

[syntax]

Everything else you've been saying about Curry and Embiid not working well together has been obvious nonsense.

Why? How do they fit?

What actions will they run together?

JJ Redick had the 2 best seasons of his career playing with Embiid and he isn't half the ball handlers, scorer, playmaker that Curry is. What actions do you think will be prohibitive between one of the most versatile scorers in the league and one of the greatest shooters of all time? I just don't get your stance aside from "Embiid not a great passer out of the post" which is such small potatoes when discussing their possible synergy.

So you can't name any other than "they are both good". You know a lot about NBA offense.

[Negrodamus]

Why? How do they fit?

What actions will they run together?

JJ Redick had the 2 best seasons of his career playing with Embiid and he isn't half the ball handlers, scorer, playmaker that Curry is. What actions do you think will be prohibitive between one of the most versatile scorers in the league and one of the greatest shooters of all time? I just don't get your stance aside from "Embiid not a great passer out of the post" which is such small potatoes when discussing their possible synergy.

So you can't name any other than "they are both good". You know a lot about NBA offense.

Thanks, I'm not sure you know anything about the NBA.

[Murray_17]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/76ers-doc-rivers-analytics-data-problems-joel-embiid-ben-simmons

If you surrounded Embiid with four shooters, that would be a better fit, but I’m also not sure it naturally works. Embiid still struggles with double teams four years into his NBA career. That it remains a way to at least limit him is a significant knock against him. Whereas Simmons has found more and more ways to counter his limitations and has figured the game out, Embiid is largely the same player he was two seasons ago.

Not sure if this is serious or not already......

Embiid would benefit from better spacing if the Sixers traded Simmons, but it wouldn’t matter if you could still double him effectively.

One of the reasons Embiid can be so easily doubled as he's right now is precissely that he plays with Ben.

With four shooters around him Joel can make more easy outlet passes. The Bucks score at elite passing rates when Giannis is doubled and he's not THAT good as a passer either.

Simmons, on the other hand, looks very much like he could be a dominant force if the Sixers moved Embiid and put four shooters around him. There’s no reason you couldn’t build a “Milwaukee Light” with Simmons surrounded by shooters the way the Bucks have with Giannis Antetokounmpo. You can rightfully counter with the Bucks’ issues with the postseason, but that’s a problem to be solved in the postseason. You need to get to “our team is good enough to win a title” first, and the Sixers have not been.

Ben doesn't have near the length or first step that Giannis does, nor is as great at finishing around the rim. He also hasn't developed the strength to move centers on the post like Giannis does.

[syntax]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/76ers-doc-rivers-analytics-data-problems-joel-embiid-ben-simmons

If you surrounded Embiid with four shooters, that would be a better fit, but I’m also not sure it naturally works. Embiid still struggles with double teams four years into his NBA career. That it remains a way to at least limit him is a significant knock against him. Whereas Simmons has found more and more ways to counter his limitations and has figured the game out, Embiid is largely the same player he was two seasons ago.

Not sure if this is serious or not already......

Embiid would benefit from better spacing if the Sixers traded Simmons, but it wouldn’t matter if you could still double him effectively.

One of the reasons Embiid can be so easily doubled as he's right now is precissely that he plays with Ben.

With four shooters around him Joel can make more easy outlet passes. The Bucks score at elite passing rates when Giannis is doubled and he's not THAT good as a passer either.

Simmons, on the other hand, looks very much like he could be a dominant force if the Sixers moved Embiid and put four shooters around him. There’s no reason you couldn’t build a “Milwaukee Light” with Simmons surrounded by shooters the way the Bucks have with Giannis Antetokounmpo. You can rightfully counter with the Bucks’ issues with the postseason, but that’s a problem to be solved in the postseason. You need to get to “our team is good enough to win a title” first, and the Sixers have not been.

Ben doesn't have near the length or first step that Giannis does, nor is as great at finishing around the rim. He also hasn't developed the strength to move centers on the post like Giannis does.

Have a look at how many post ups are in the Warriors playbook. You know plays right? The things teams run every trip down the floor.

[Murray_17]

Have a look at how many post ups are in the Warriors playbook. You know plays right? The things teams run every trip down the floor.

Yeah, posts up are in extinction, how is this relevant to the discussion?

[syntax]

Have a look at how many post ups are in the Warriors playbook. You know plays right? The things teams run every trip down the floor.

Yeah, posts up are in extinction, how is this relevant to the discussion?

Embiid posts up the most by far out of anyone? A fluid offense like horns that the Warriors run the most can't be run with Embiid? Embiid and Curry aren't a good fit?