Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[the_process]

I think there is a giant middle ground between CJ, 3 1sts, and 3 swaps and Brogdon, Levert, and a 1st.

[Sportfan73]

I think there is a giant middle ground between CJ, 3 1sts, and 3 swaps and Brogdon, Levert, and a 1st.

I agree, and plenty of packages out there. But I think that we should stop saying nope hold him for a star.

[kuclas]

I think there is a giant middle ground between CJ, 3 1sts, and 3 swaps and Brogdon, Levert, and a 1st.

I agree, and plenty of packages out there. But I think that we should stop saying nope hold him for a star.

Levert isn’t that good. He’s basically more experienced version of shake Milton. Hot/cold player.

If we want to move on from Ben. I guess that’s ok offer. Mainly due to flexibility of brodgon and levert having 2 years left. So they both can be moved as expiring after this season pretty easily on decent contracts.

But who knows what Indiana is offering. Teams are low balling. Maybe that’s what has made Morey pissed and countering with ridiculous counter offers.

[Sportfan73]

I think there is a giant middle ground between CJ, 3 1sts, and 3 swaps and Brogdon, Levert, and a 1st.

I agree, and plenty of packages out there. But I think that we should stop saying nope hold him for a star.

Levert isn’t that good. He’s basically more experienced version of shake Milton. Hot/cold player.

If we want to move on from Ben. I guess that’s ok offer. Mainly due to flexibility of brodgon and levert having 2 years left. So they both can be moved as expiring after this season pretty easily on decent contracts.

But who knows what Indiana is offering. Teams are low balling. Maybe that’s what has made Morey pissed and countering with ridiculous counter offers.

Levert and shake are literally not even close to the same type of player. I’m not even high on levert but that’s embarrassing to him. He’s like 10x as dynamic with the ball in his hands Shake could barely get the ball over half court with pressure

[eyeatoma]

Injuries happen when they happen. Chronic or re-occurring injuries matter though.

Including Simmons redshirt year in those numbers is intellectually dishonest and I think you know that.

There is absolutely no question who on that list is injury prone and who isn't.

I was trying to make a point though. These guys have had injuries happen randomly and to call people injury prone when it's not connected to the same place is a mistake.

I see 3 guys who have had random injuries at different points in their career that have all balanced out to have missed a similar number of games. None of them have reoccurring or chronic injuries in the same place.

The other two constantly are injured. Miss 5 games here, 20 games there. Apart from the red shirt year, Simmons had a back issue and then a leg issue, but last year he was back to being fine again, while the other two missed time once again.

I'd much rather have a player who is consistently healthy.



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[eyeatoma]

What happens if that does not happen? That’s what i think is worth discussing.

Then we wait till December or the deadline and get a deal done. If that's the deal, I'd much rather take CJ over LeVert/Brogdon. Hell I'd take a package from the Kings, who again will be bad. We might be able to get Fox. We could get Beal if they're bad. We could get Shai, if Morey ponies up more. If Bulls are bad (they actually look good), then we could get LaVine. I'll discuss those first as options instead of settling for two injury prone players, of which one has a stress fracture in his back now.

None of that aside from CJ is even remotely realistic. The kings package would be Hield, Barnes, and bags. Maybe you get lucky and get Mitchell, a 23 year old rookie defensive specialist. Lavine isn’t happening, there’s literally probably the same chance of trading for Steph as trading for shai after they extended him, and Beal is a massive flight risk to Boston if he gets traded anywhere, not to mention he has no desire too and that stuff 99 percent of the time doesn’t change until the offseason. It’s time for everyone here to stop laughing at people offering Dlo and a first or whatever garbage from their team until we stop brainstorming trades that would immediately end in the other teams GM losing their job at this point

Lol, LaVine has not been extended, what are you talking about.

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[eyeatoma]

I think there is a giant middle ground between CJ, 3 1sts, and 3 swaps and Brogdon, Levert, and a 1st.

I agree, and plenty of packages out there. But I think that we should stop saying nope hold him for a star.

I think Morey will do one of the lesser deals by the deadline is no star is available.

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[zimpy27]

Including Simmons redshirt year in those numbers is intellectually dishonest and I think you know that.

There is absolutely no question who on that list is injury prone and who isn't.

I was trying to make a point though. These guys have had injuries happen randomly and to call people injury prone when it's not connected to the same place is a mistake.

I see 3 guys who have had random injuries at different points in their career that have all balanced out to have missed a similar number of games. None of them have reoccurring or chronic injuries in the same place.

The other two constantly are injured. Miss 5 games here, 20 games there. Apart from the red shirt year, Simmons had a back issue and then a leg issue, but last year he was back to being fine again, while the other two missed time once again.

I'd much rather have a player who is consistently healthy.



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So who is on your list for a realistic trade?

[eyeatoma]

I was trying to make a point though. These guys have had injuries happen randomly and to call people injury prone when it's not connected to the same place is a mistake.

I see 3 guys who have had random injuries at different points in their career that have all balanced out to have missed a similar number of games. None of them have reoccurring or chronic injuries in the same place.

The other two constantly are injured. Miss 5 games here, 20 games there. Apart from the red shirt year, Simmons had a back issue and then a leg issue, but last year he was back to being fine again, while the other two missed time once again.

I'd much rather have a player who is consistently healthy.



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So who is on your list for a realistic trade?

Realistically, I'd wait it out on Sacramento, I truly think they will come calling with Fox or Haliburton.

I'd also, try and get Anthony Edwards. Might not be realistic, but it's the Wolves, I don't think an offseason has suddenly made them good.

I think Shai is possible, but we might have to give up one of Maxey or Thybulle.

I'd do a CJ deal, although I'd want Covington back, or at least 2 picks (does not need to include the pick swaps that Morey wants).

I know others don't like him, but I like Fred VanVleet. I think him, along with Boucher or OG, along with a pick or two would work for me.

I'd do a package around Darius Garland. I'm not a huge fan of Sexton, but I wouldn't hate that deal either, although I worry about him pissing off Jo.

If the Pels start poorly, I'd love to snag Brandon Ingram.

As I've said before, I'd probably think about the Brogdon/LeVert trade by the trade deadline if nothing else materializes, but I'd kick the tires on all of the above trades first. Basically the Pacers package is a last resort for me. I know Morey is in a corner, but his logic, which I 100% agree with, is this is our only shot left. You are really hoping for a lot, to just get younger players, or draft picks, or a few good players, that you hope you can swap for a star later on. Instead get the star know. If Morey was going to do a bunch of players or picks, he would have done it over summer.

[zimpy27]

The other two constantly are injured. Miss 5 games here, 20 games there. Apart from the red shirt year, Simmons had a back issue and then a leg issue, but last year he was back to being fine again, while the other two missed time once again.

I'd much rather have a player who is consistently healthy.



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So who is on your list for a realistic trade?

Realistic, I'd wait it out on Sacremento, I truly think they will come calling with Fox or Haliburton.

I'd also, try and get Anthony Edwards. Might not be realistic, but it's the Wolves, I don't think an offseason has suddenly made them good.

I think Shai is possible, but we might have to give up one of Maxey or Thybulle.

As I've said before, I'd probably think about the Brogdon/LeVert trade by the trade deadline if nothing else materializes. I know Morey is in a corner, but his logic, which I 100% agree with, is this is our only shot left. You are really hoping for a lot, to just get younger players, or draft picks, or a few good players, that you hope you can swap for a star later on. Instead get the star know. If Morey was going to do that, he would have done it over summer.

I can get with the idea of a younger player that shows potential. It just doesn't feel realistic right now.

I have Edwards valued similarly to SGA. Fox should be gettable though. That trade works for both. Just feels like Sacramento aren't keen because Fox loves it there.

[eyeatoma]

So who is on your list for a realistic trade?

Realistic, I'd wait it out on Sacremento, I truly think they will come calling with Fox or Haliburton.

I'd also, try and get Anthony Edwards. Might not be realistic, but it's the Wolves, I don't think an offseason has suddenly made them good.

I think Shai is possible, but we might have to give up one of Maxey or Thybulle.

As I've said before, I'd probably think about the Brogdon/LeVert trade by the trade deadline if nothing else materializes. I know Morey is in a corner, but his logic, which I 100% agree with, is this is our only shot left. You are really hoping for a lot, to just get younger players, or draft picks, or a few good players, that you hope you can swap for a star later on. Instead get the star know. If Morey was going to do that, he would have done it over summer.

I can get with the idea of a younger player that shows potential. It just doesn't feel realistic right now.

I have Edwards valued similarly to SGA. Fox should be gettable though. That trade works for both. Just feels like Sacramento aren't keen because Fox loves it there.

Just added a few more.

[kuclas]

So who is on your list for a realistic trade?

Realistic, I'd wait it out on Sacremento, I truly think they will come calling with Fox or Haliburton.

I'd also, try and get Anthony Edwards. Might not be realistic, but it's the Wolves, I don't think an offseason has suddenly made them good.

I think Shai is possible, but we might have to give up one of Maxey or Thybulle.

As I've said before, I'd probably think about the Brogdon/LeVert trade by the trade deadline if nothing else materializes. I know Morey is in a corner, but his logic, which I 100% agree with, is this is our only shot left. You are really hoping for a lot, to just get younger players, or draft picks, or a few good players, that you hope you can swap for a star later on. Instead get the star know. If Morey was going to do that, he would have done it over summer.

I can get with the idea of a younger player that shows potential. It just doesn't feel realistic right now.

I have Edwards valued similarly to SGA. Fox should be gettable though. That trade works for both. Just feels like Sacramento aren't keen because Fox loves it there.

The sixers need an iso scorer end of game situation. The the real reason fox would fit with embiid. Plus he’s a point guard. Sure the defense is lacking from fox. But he can get to the rim. Get free throws (he’s below average free throw shooter) but sixers need someone desperately to take the load off embiid as sixers Double team him down the stretch (often with Simmons man). Embiid being tired plus the double teams equals turnovers down the stretch. We have seen this time and time again. Just look at the last 4 playoffs with embiid. Those critical turnovers happen in the last 60-80 seconds of close games up or down by 1-2 possessions.

[zimpy27]

Realistic, I'd wait it out on Sacremento, I truly think they will come calling with Fox or Haliburton.

I'd also, try and get Anthony Edwards. Might not be realistic, but it's the Wolves, I don't think an offseason has suddenly made them good.

I think Shai is possible, but we might have to give up one of Maxey or Thybulle.

As I've said before, I'd probably think about the Brogdon/LeVert trade by the trade deadline if nothing else materializes. I know Morey is in a corner, but his logic, which I 100% agree with, is this is our only shot left. You are really hoping for a lot, to just get younger players, or draft picks, or a few good players, that you hope you can swap for a star later on. Instead get the star know. If Morey was going to do that, he would have done it over summer.

I can get with the idea of a younger player that shows potential. It just doesn't feel realistic right now.

I have Edwards valued similarly to SGA. Fox should be gettable though. That trade works for both. Just feels like Sacramento aren't keen because Fox loves it there.

Just added a few more.

I like
Simmons for Fox
Simmons for FVV+LeVert
Simons for Garland+Love
Simmons+Maxey+Reed for SGA or Edwards

Just don't know if any would happen.

I find CJ a mistake, he's older and just had some bad injuries this season for a guy his age. I think that's a bad move tbh. He's never been as good of a primary distributor like Brogdon or LeVert. If you go for CJ then you want to add a guy like LeVert or Brogdon IMO.

[eyeatoma]

I can get with the idea of a younger player that shows potential. It just doesn't feel realistic right now.

I have Edwards valued similarly to SGA. Fox should be gettable though. That trade works for both. Just feels like Sacramento aren't keen because Fox loves it there.

Just added a few more.

I like
Simmons for Fox
Simmons for FVV+LeVert
Simons for Garland+Love
Simmons+Maxey+Reed for SGA or Edwards

Just don't know if any would happen.

I find CJ a mistake, he's older and just had some bad injuries this season for a guy his age. I think that's a bad move tbh. He's never been as good of a primary distributor like Brogdon or LeVert. If you go for CJ then you want to add a guy like LeVert or Brogdon IMO.

Agreed on CJ, probably another last choice for me.

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[Skates]

Get me Haliburton for Simmons, plus the extra players and salary to make it work. Haliburton can really develop star power as the primary PG and his size and defense are less limiting than some other options and his age, along with Maxey, make for life after Embiid enters his post prime years, hence lengthening the window.

[the_process]

So who is on your list for a realistic trade?

Realistic, I'd wait it out on Sacremento, I truly think they will come calling with Fox or Haliburton.

I'd also, try and get Anthony Edwards. Might not be realistic, but it's the Wolves, I don't think an offseason has suddenly made them good.

I think Shai is possible, but we might have to give up one of Maxey or Thybulle.

As I've said before, I'd probably think about the Brogdon/LeVert trade by the trade deadline if nothing else materializes. I know Morey is in a corner, but his logic, which I 100% agree with, is this is our only shot left. You are really hoping for a lot, to just get younger players, or draft picks, or a few good players, that you hope you can swap for a star later on. Instead get the star know. If Morey was going to do that, he would have done it over summer.

I can get with the idea of a younger player that shows potential. It just doesn't feel realistic right now.

I have Edwards valued similarly to SGA. Fox should be gettable though. That trade works for both. Just feels like Sacramento aren't keen because Fox loves it there.

Minnesota caving and offering Edwards plus filler for Simmons, then turning around and shipping Edwards (and Maxey if you must) to OKC for Shai would be absolute best case scenario.

[jscott]

Realistic, I'd wait it out on Sacremento, I truly think they will come calling with Fox or Haliburton.

I'd also, try and get Anthony Edwards. Might not be realistic, but it's the Wolves, I don't think an offseason has suddenly made them good.

I think Shai is possible, but we might have to give up one of Maxey or Thybulle.

As I've said before, I'd probably think about the Brogdon/LeVert trade by the trade deadline if nothing else materializes. I know Morey is in a corner, but his logic, which I 100% agree with, is this is our only shot left. You are really hoping for a lot, to just get younger players, or draft picks, or a few good players, that you hope you can swap for a star later on. Instead get the star know. If Morey was going to do that, he would have done it over summer.

I can get with the idea of a younger player that shows potential. It just doesn't feel realistic right now.

I have Edwards valued similarly to SGA. Fox should be gettable though. That trade works for both. Just feels like Sacramento aren't keen because Fox loves it there.

Minnesota caving and offering Edwards plus filler for Simmons, then turning around and shipping Edwards (and Maxey if you must) to OKC for Shai would be absolute best case scenario.

Minnesota isn’t giving up Edwards. They’d move KAT first.

[eyeatoma]

I can get with the idea of a younger player that shows potential. It just doesn't feel realistic right now.

I have Edwards valued similarly to SGA. Fox should be gettable though. That trade works for both. Just feels like Sacramento aren't keen because Fox loves it there.

Minnesota caving and offering Edwards plus filler for Simmons, then turning around and shipping Edwards (and Maxey if you must) to OKC for Shai would be absolute best case scenario.

Minnesota isn’t giving up Edwards. They’d move KAT first.

That would be dumb.

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[jscott]

Minnesota caving and offering Edwards plus filler for Simmons, then turning around and shipping Edwards (and Maxey if you must) to OKC for Shai would be absolute best case scenario.

Minnesota isn’t giving up Edwards. They’d move KAT first.

That would be dumb.

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Maybe, maybe not.

Regardless, it’s there to illustrate how untouchable Edwards is for the Wolves.

[ankle420breaker]

Get me Haliburton for Simmons, plus the extra players and salary to make it work. Haliburton can really develop star power as the primary PG and his size and defense are less limiting than some other options and his age, along with Maxey, make for life after Embiid enters his post prime years, hence lengthening the window.

I'm pretty bullish on Haliburton and he could be a realistic option should Sacramento struggle out of the gate. He and Maxey in the backcourt should add some longevity once Embiid begins to age.

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