The Tomjas Thread

[Negrodamus]

What’s up with Fox playing SO badly? I’m quite sure he can do better.

I mean, it can be any number of issues including personal stuff, but they have changed their team quite a bit over the past year and it has kinda moved on from his style. He's an incredible on ball penetrator with very good creating ability, but he's not an elite shooter. So the Kings are currently "his team" and he's used to shooting the ball 19 times a game. Meanwhile, they just drafted Davion Mitchell and last year drafted Haliburton, two point guards who have C&S (more Haliburton than Mitchell) ability and don't need as many shots per game.

Trade him to the Sixers and he will have to recalibrate his offensive approach, especially since it won't be "his team" anymore.

Meanwhile, Ben would fit in remarkably well in Sacramento: doesn't need to shoot and has all these shooters to pass to.

[GutUNC]

Correct. Tobias would still be here. That has to be rectified as well.

But unless Ben returns to play, plays well, and shows not only a willingness but actual improvement shooting the ball… then the days of him being a centerpiece to a star trade are over. You take other pieces that you can use toward that end down the line should that opportunity become available.

A trade for a star and the role player/surrender trade aren't the only option. The trade with more 1sts and fewer role players remains the most appealing option.

I don’t consider the Spurs option to be a “surrender” trade. But you would prefer the 4 1sts and garbage from Minnesota I suppose? That’s fair, but even Embiid has come out and said 1sts are meaningless when we want to win now. Also every time we’ve heard of Morey asking for the motherload of picks the other team has essentially hung up the phone on him.

I don't like either, but the Minnesota thing would at least offer hope for the future thanks to the terrible Minnesota organization then a deal headlined around a guy who has similar negatives to Ben without the upside. The 1sts would be used as cannon fodder for a trade for a guy better then Murray.

[76ciology]

2 cheap centers who are good that you should go after once you get Ben Simmons.

Porzingis and Boucher.

They are undervalued now but their value would pump if they play with Ben and a group of guys who can compliment both of them

[76ciology]

Not a preferred but a trade I wouldn’t mind.

Ben Simmons
Thybulle

for

Jerami Grant
Olynyk
unprotected pistons 2022 pick

Why for Sixers:
Got much needed depth at the F position for now and a shot for a star talent with the pick via draft or trade

Why for the Pistons:
They’d sell tickets with Cade and Ben Simmons leading their team.

[DCasey91]

This trend of basketball right now might actually suit Embiid. It’s like the 90’s just with more 3ball spam. I like it

Some guards are doing terribly atm.

I had a feeling TS% was pretty makeshift when you shoot 80+% from the FT line and have like 3+ extra goes at it, does wonders for the stats and the shooting splits lol.

Anyway whatever hope is left for the construction of the team we’d probably get a better idea closer to the deadline. Last drafts first rnd pick would have come in handy.

Also what play if any is there on Jaylen Brown? He seems ideal with Embiid.

I’m eyeing off a player that can sure up our perimeter D plus be the secondary option or 1B to Embiid. Brown is a likely candidate imo

Murray does D but no on secondary.

Ingram is secondary without the D but the length is there.

Lillard subverts on offense but then our D is worse or maybe just go two wing Curry 6th man.

Fox maybe is no O or D in the end.

When playoffs come around I’d like to see Curry and Maxey not in the starting unit that’ll tell me the FO are dead serious this year.

Or it could be just max out on complimentary power but then the Bucks/Heat have our number and Nets if they get their act together.

Maybe this year onto next is the only window we have on this. Harris might be easier next season with 2 years on his deal to move who knows.

[Tomjas]

Not a preferred but a trade I wouldn’t mind.

Ben Simmons
Thybulle

for

Jerami Grant
Olynyk
unprotected pistons 2022 pick

Why for Sixers:
Got much needed depth at the F position for now and a shot for a star talent with the pick via draft or trade

Why for the Pistons:
They’d sell tickets with Cade and Ben Simmons leading their team.

The Pistons are awful and would be better off getting another high pick and dumping Grant & Olynyk for more draft assets

[Rastas]

Not a preferred but a trade I wouldn’t mind.

Ben Simmons
Thybulle

for

Jerami Grant
Olynyk
unprotected pistons 2022 pick

Why for Sixers:
Got much needed depth at the F position for now and a shot for a star talent with the pick via draft or trade

Why for the Pistons:
They’d sell tickets with Cade and Ben Simmons leading their team.

That Pistons 22 pick would of only been available in a pre season Ben trade, right now your only looking at a 23 pick from them.
They want some Height and the Top of next Draft has Plenty.

[mjkvol]

Also what play if any is there on Jaylen Brown? He seems ideal with Embiid.

I’m eyeing off a player that can sure up our perimeter D plus be the secondary option or 1B to Embiid. Brown is a likely candidate imo

To me Brown has been the most attractive potential option of any that have been discussed. As you say, he fits like a glove with Embiid, is ideal age-wise, provides that second legit scoring option, plus he is a solid perimeter defender.

I just can't picture Boston making that deal unless things totally cratered there - that fan base is as tough as ours, and would eat Simmons alive if he continued his current behavior. I certainly can't imagine Simmons having any desire to play in another Northeast town.

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

This trend of basketball right now might actually suit Embiid. It’s like the 90’s just with more 3ball spam. I like it

Some guards are doing terribly atm.

I had a feeling TS% was pretty makeshift when you shoot 80+% from the FT line and have like 3+ extra goes at it, does wonders for the stats and the shooting splits lol.

Anyway whatever hope is left for the construction of the team we’d probably get a better idea closer to the deadline. Last drafts first rnd pick would have come in handy.

Also what play if any is there on Jaylen Brown? He seems ideal with Embiid.

I’m eyeing off a player that can sure up our perimeter D plus be the secondary option or 1B to Embiid. Brown is a likely candidate imo

Murray does D but no on secondary.

Ingram is secondary without the D but the length is there.

Lillard subverts on offense but then our D is worse or maybe just go two wing Curry 6th man.

Fox maybe is no O or D in the end.

When playoffs come around I’d like to see Curry and Maxey not in the starting unit that’ll tell me the FO are dead serious this year.

Or it could be just max out on complimentary power but then the Bucks/Heat have our number and Nets if they get their act together.

Maybe this year onto next is the only window we have on this. Harris might be easier next season with 2 years on his deal to move who knows.

I think its because we play modern basketball the most in like 10 years with how much we run pick and rolls this season and how well spaced the court is. Something that has been the influence of Doc (he said he’s always been coach of one of the top PnR team) and Morey (Efficient scoring per FGA and heavy 3pt game) something can’t do with a Ben and Biid lead team.

This is why I said before the season started that I wouldnt be surprised if we turn into a better offensive team without Ben.

[stormi]

Harris + Murray + Maxey + Embiid

Disgusting quartet man.

[ProcessDoctor]

Not a preferred but a trade I wouldn’t mind.

Ben Simmons
Thybulle

for

Jerami Grant
Olynyk
unprotected pistons 2022 pick

Why for Sixers:
Got much needed depth at the F position for now and a shot for a star talent with the pick via draft or trade

Why for the Pistons:
They’d sell tickets with Cade and Ben Simmons leading their team.

Pretty disgusting man. Might as well buy Simmons out.

[Negrodamus]

Not a preferred but a trade I wouldn’t mind.

Ben Simmons
Thybulle

for

Jerami Grant
Olynyk
unprotected pistons 2022 pick

Why for Sixers:
Got much needed depth at the F position for now and a shot for a star talent with the pick via draft or trade

Why for the Pistons:
They’d sell tickets with Cade and Ben Simmons leading their team.

Pretty disgusting man. Might as well buy Simmons out.

We draw the line at Dejounte Murray++ but we're willing to do this trade? Am I missing something?

[76ciology]

Not a preferred but a trade I wouldn’t mind.

Ben Simmons
Thybulle

for

Jerami Grant
Olynyk
unprotected pistons 2022 pick

Why for Sixers:
Got much needed depth at the F position for now and a shot for a star talent with the pick via draft or trade

Why for the Pistons:
They’d sell tickets with Cade and Ben Simmons leading their team.

Pretty disgusting man. Might as well buy Simmons out.

You do realize we’re getting a top 3 pick in return with that pistons pick right?

that is aside from getting two good 2 way big forwards that we need with our undersized forward players

[stormi]

Not a preferred but a trade I wouldn’t mind.

Ben Simmons
Thybulle

for

Jerami Grant
Olynyk
unprotected pistons 2022 pick

Why for Sixers:
Got much needed depth at the F position for now and a shot for a star talent with the pick via draft or trade

Why for the Pistons:
They’d sell tickets with Cade and Ben Simmons leading their team.

Pretty disgusting man. Might as well buy Simmons out.

We draw the line at Dejounte Murray++ but we're willing to do this trade? Am I missing something?

You really like Dejounte and Vassell right?

[76ciology]

Not a preferred but a trade I wouldn’t mind.

Ben Simmons
Thybulle

for

Jerami Grant
Olynyk
unprotected pistons 2022 pick

Why for Sixers:
Got much needed depth at the F position for now and a shot for a star talent with the pick via draft or trade

Why for the Pistons:
They’d sell tickets with Cade and Ben Simmons leading their team.

Pretty disgusting man. Might as well buy Simmons out.

We draw the line at Dejounte Murray++ but we're willing to do this trade? Am I missing something?

Team need?

Short term, we need big forwards to go up against guys like KD or Giannis which Jerami Grant and Olynyk can provide.

Long term, we’ll get a top 3 pick which is likely going to be 10x better than Dejounte Murray, who Spurs is inflating his value to find suckers who wants to trade for him.

[76ciology]

Spurs..

Spurs can keep Dejounte.

I want Keldon Johnson, Primo, 2 picks and a pick swap.

Dejounte Murray is so good right? Ok keep him.

[kriss73]

With the new rules, Simmons' defensive impact will be even bigger.
It's a shame he isn't playing.

[stormi]

Spurs..

Spurs can keep Dejounte.

I want Keldon Johnson, Primo, 2 picks and a pick swap.

Dejounte Murray is so good right? Ok keep him.

I'd do this. Keldon is their most intriguing youngster to me and Primo has huge scoring upside. The picks are great too. That 2022 pick could be huge for us.

[76ciology]

With the new rules, Simmons' defensive impact will be even bigger.
It's a shame he isn't playing.

True.

Now, Blazers trade us Lillard for Ben.

[Negrodamus]

Pretty disgusting man. Might as well buy Simmons out.

We draw the line at Dejounte Murray++ but we're willing to do this trade? Am I missing something?

You really like Dejounte and Vassell right?

"Really like" might be a bit strong, but it's definitely a nice return for Ben. Dejounte Murray has a similar effect as Ben, but is smaller and actually shoots. Vassell would probably be an overpay by the Spurs.

I'm still very committed to Fox while his value is down.