** Official 2025 Trade Deadline Thread **

[mksp]

if these 5 years have sucked so bad then I don't know if yall are truly ready for a rebuild lol

The Process years were far more enjoyable than the past season and a half.

I feel like yall don't really remember the real dank times of the process.....

I agree these last TWO seasons harken back to the Eddie Jordan - Doug Collins eras of no hope but the highs of the last 5 or so years despite it all are going to be something you take for granted imo.

I have always said that the fact that we are even allowed to be let down by second round exits as a "legit" contender isn't the end of the world. It could and it has be worse imo.

AGAIN it is time more than likely to move on and try something new especially if dudes like Luka can get moved lol but I still don't think yall are truly ready lol. I can't wait for the inevitable "man McCain sucks balls, fire <Insert new Coach here>, GM sucks....man we should have never traded so and so" posts as we struggle to be a play in team still.

i think they've all just started blending together for me. 2 years, 5 years, it's all injuries and 2nd round exits, right?

i enjoyed hinkie era process years a lot more.

[youngcrev]

So Morey decided to do Caleb a solid and get him to a playoff team. Is the implication they are throwing in the towel on the year?

Grimes is a guy I like and have advocated for before. I hope they re-sign him. The 2nd back on top is very nice.

Not really sure what the implication is. Might be a precursor to ducking the tax. Might just be them trading for a guy that they think is a better long-term fit.

Value seems solid at least. I'm not a big believer in Grimes since I don't trust how much he's bounced around (4th team and still on his rookie deal), but the skill set at least seems to match a need.

[Negrodamus]

On a personal note, I'll be very pissed if the one guy we have on this roster from that 2017 draft is Lonzo Ball.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Just scrolling through these comments/ideas...I will explode with anger if we end up trading for Brad Beal. 8 years ago I would have been all about adding him with Embiid. Not now, no way! As far as reliability goes he makes Paul George look like an iron man! He plays zero defense and has zero desire to win. He's a good scoring guard who is merely playing to support his family and nothing more than that. I can't think of a worse player to trade Paul George for...I mean thankfully Lavine is off the market, which now leaves...Brad Beal as the absolute worst semi-available player left. Let him rot in Phoenix. His family is most certainly loving the high life out in North Scottsdale.
With all that being said, I think it's vital that we find a suitor for PG. It's not working and if nothing changes then nothing changes. I would happily trade George for Andrew Wiggins straight up if the offer ever presented itself.

Shifting gears...A dark horse in all this is MCcain. Don't get too comfortable with him. He's a sell high candidate if there ever was one on this team. Same goes for Yabu. I love both of them, but I can see them leaving us for the right player. I have a feeling MCcain IS going to struggle a bit to start next season and some of you are going to flip out over it. The other question is, is a MCcain/Maxey backcourt sustainable for the future? I personally think it's doable if you have length, and athleticism at the 3/4 spots and a defensive minded center that can get you rebounds OR preferably a healthy Joel. So I think if the plan is to build with MCcain, then you need to find fitting pieces now. We still have PG if we don't trade him. Council and Edwards are making us believers, so I think if we're talking deadline trades, then we need to look at available athletes at the 4 spot. I still say Jalen Smith is a perfect fit. If there was any way we could end up with Markannen without being date rated by Ainge then we should do it. But that's where I'm at with this. If the team feels that MCcain and Maxey are the present and future, then the construction around them needs to start now.

[Iscull]

Just scrolling through these comments/ideas...I will explode with anger if we end up trading for Brad Beal. 8 years ago I would have been all about adding him with Embiid. Not now, no way! As far as reliability goes he makes Paul George look like an iron man! He plays zero defense and has zero desire to win. He's a good scoring guard who is merely playing to support his family and nothing more than that. I can't think of a worse player to trade Paul George for...I mean thankfully Lavine is off the market, which now leaves...Brad Beal as the absolute worst semi-available player left. Let him rot in Phoenix. His family is most certainly loving the high life out in North Scottsdale.
With all that being said, I think it's vital that we find a suitor for PG. It's not working and if nothing changes then nothing changes. I would happily trade George for Andrew Wiggins straight up if the offer ever presented itself.

Shifting gears...A dark horse in all this is MCcain. Don't get too comfortable with him. He's a sell high candidate if there ever was one on this team. Same goes for Yabu. I love both of them, but I can see them leaving us for the right player. I have a feeling MCcain IS going to struggle a bit to start next season and some of you are going to flip out over it. The other question is, is a MCcain/Maxey backcourt sustainable for the future? I personally think it's doable if you have length, and athleticism at the 3/4 spots and a defensive minded center that can get you rebounds OR preferably a healthy Joel. So I think if the plan is to build with MCcain, then you need to find fitting pieces now. We still have PG if we don't trade him. Council and Edwards are making us believers, so I think if we're talking deadline trades, then we need to look at available athletes at the 4 spot. I still say Jalen Smith is a perfect fit. If there was any way we could end up with Markannen without being date rated by Ainge then we should do it. But that's where I'm at with this. If the team feels that MCcain and Maxey are the present and future, then the construction around them needs to start now.

Easy there Explosions, we're not getting Beal. He has a no trade clause and has no interest in leaving Phoenix. Apparently his family has really settled in out there and he's okay with coming off the bench. Like an early retirement lol

For McCain, I don't really see a trade unless it's to a team that's actively tanking. Why trade significant pieces/picks for a player who will be out for the next 8 months? A contender is not going to do that. Also, if we're stealth tanking - he's great to have on the team this year as he takes a roster spot from a healthy player.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

So Morey decided to do Caleb a solid and get him to a playoff team. Is the implication they are throwing in the towel on the year?

Grimes is a guy I like and have advocated for before. I hope they re-sign him. The 2nd back on top is very nice.

Not really sure what the implication is. Might be a precursor to ducking the tax. Might just be them trading for a guy that they think is a better long-term fit.

Value seems solid at least. I'm not a big believer in Grimes since I don't trust how much he's bounced around (4th team and still on his rookie deal), but the skill set at least seems to match a need.

I think moving Martin was more due to the emergence of Council and Edwards. Both can essentially give you exactly what Martin can and both are going to be on Hinkie specials as far as contracts go. Both are 5+ years younger and both are readily available and playing well. I'm personally not going to read too much into trading Martin. It'll free up some space and we can give Grimes a tryout. Everyone here knows I'm higher than Willie Nelson on RC4. I caught the Edwards buzz two weeks ago and that's only getting stronger. I'm guilty of over valuing our guys, but we need guys who want to be here. We need guys who are hungry AF and want to fight. No more injury prone players (which Martin wasn't until he made it here).

[Iscull]

I'm guessing Gordon is gonna be next.

Gordon and Drummond.

I'm hoping we can get something off the Lakers while they're riding high off that Luka trade.

Dalton...? lol

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Just scrolling through these comments/ideas...I will explode with anger if we end up trading for Brad Beal. 8 years ago I would have been all about adding him with Embiid. Not now, no way! As far as reliability goes he makes Paul George look like an iron man! He plays zero defense and has zero desire to win. He's a good scoring guard who is merely playing to support his family and nothing more than that. I can't think of a worse player to trade Paul George for...I mean thankfully Lavine is off the market, which now leaves...Brad Beal as the absolute worst semi-available player left. Let him rot in Phoenix. His family is most certainly loving the high life out in North Scottsdale.
With all that being said, I think it's vital that we find a suitor for PG. It's not working and if nothing changes then nothing changes. I would happily trade George for Andrew Wiggins straight up if the offer ever presented itself.

Shifting gears...A dark horse in all this is MCcain. Don't get too comfortable with him. He's a sell high candidate if there ever was one on this team. Same goes for Yabu. I love both of them, but I can see them leaving us for the right player. I have a feeling MCcain IS going to struggle a bit to start next season and some of you are going to flip out over it. The other question is, is a MCcain/Maxey backcourt sustainable for the future? I personally think it's doable if you have length, and athleticism at the 3/4 spots and a defensive minded center that can get you rebounds OR preferably a healthy Joel. So I think if the plan is to build with MCcain, then you need to find fitting pieces now. We still have PG if we don't trade him. Council and Edwards are making us believers, so I think if we're talking deadline trades, then we need to look at available athletes at the 4 spot. I still say Jalen Smith is a perfect fit. If there was any way we could end up with Markannen without being date rated by Ainge then we should do it. But that's where I'm at with this. If the team feels that MCcain and Maxey are the present and future, then the construction around them needs to start now.

Easy there Explosions, we're not getting Beal. He has a no trade clause and has no interest in leaving Phoenix. Apparently his family has really settled in out there and he's okay with coming off the bench. Like an early retirement lol

For McCain, I don't really see a trade unless it's to a team that's actively tanking. Why trade significant pieces/picks for a player who will be out for the next 8 months? A contender is not going to do that. Also, if we're stealth tanking - he's great to have on the team this year as he takes a roster spot from a healthy player.

No doubt, I don't think it'll happen either. Only way I see us including Jared in a trade is if we're dealing with a team that's just ready to throw in the towel and rebuild. For example, if Toronto decides to make Scottie Barnes available, then MCcain would most likely become part of that trade package to acquire him. Or Lamelo Ball. In other words, I don't see MCcain untouchable the way I see Maxey as such.

[Black Mage]

if these 5 years have sucked so bad then I don't know if yall are truly ready for a rebuild lol

Sometimes knowing you can't win and putting up a good fight is more enjoyable then believing you should win and then being repeatedly disappointed and underwhelmed.

[M2J]

We still need an upgrade at the back-up C position, then we’re good.

Good for what?

To take over the world

[Iscull]

if these 5 years have sucked so bad then I don't know if yall are truly ready for a rebuild lol

Sometimes knowing you can't win and putting up a good fight is more enjoyable then believing you should win and then being repeatedly disappointed and underwhelmed.

This is how I feel as well. I've actually rather enjoyed the last two weeks of games because I viewed them as likely losses. Pleasantly surprised when we win.

[Black Mage]

if these 5 years have sucked so bad then I don't know if yall are truly ready for a rebuild lol

Sometimes knowing you can't win and putting up a good fight is more enjoyable then believing you should win and then being repeatedly disappointed and underwhelmed.

This is how I feel as well. I've actually rather enjoyed the last two weeks of games because I viewed them as likely losses. Pleasantly surprised when we win.

I have not because for whatever reason the basketball gods let a bunch of teams below us start winning games. If we never had that 4 game streak we'd either be 5th or even 4th with a shot at 3rd overall in lotto odds. If ya gonna tank, tank early!

[M2J]

BTW I will say I love the Grimes pickup, and it's worth giving up the contract they had Martin under for him.

3 and D 24 year old that can be a steady backcourt mate for both Jared and Maxey when the other is off the court. Also provides flexibility if they want to let him go over summer.

[Kobblehead]

Grimes and a 2nd rounder is a good return for Martin. I like that.

[the_process]

So Morey decided to do Caleb a solid and get him to a playoff team. Is the implication they are throwing in the towel on the year?

Grimes is a guy I like and have advocated for before. I hope they re-sign him. The 2nd back on top is very nice.

Not really sure what the implication is. Might be a precursor to ducking the tax. Might just be them trading for a guy that they think is a better long-term fit.

Value seems solid at least. I'm not a big believer in Grimes since I don't trust how much he's bounced around (4th team and still on his rookie deal), but the skill set at least seems to match a need.

Ducking the tax seems like a solid bet as a course of action.

[Mik317]

hope there is some on ball juice that he showed in HS is still in there but bare minimum he can do what Gordon had been doing except not be old and slow on defense (and also wanting to be here period lol)

[HotelVitale]

Is there a $-for-Yabu angle to this deal?

[Skates]

Nurse is built to coach a team full of athletes that can play his scrambling style of D and Edwards is clearly the apple of his eye, along with Ricky at times. Those two plus Kelly are a big part of the recent surge, but happily they are recognizing that letting the young guys play out and cleaning up the payroll going forward by subtracting future cap and why pay the tax in a year like this? Martin leaving is a clear sign they know this is not their year, but still have the younger guys to maybe catch some lightning in a bottle and win some games, maybe even a play-in spot since it will be hard to lose enough outright with Maxey playing so well.

Grimes and the second rounder are a sweet return on that first deal.

Drummond and Gordon are up next, second rounders galore or another young bench guy with upside and clear more future space while restocking the cupboards. This is not a rebuild around Maxy and McCain yet, but at the very least a reset to next year and next summer to add flexibility and options going forward. I liked the Martin signing, but this move is the right thing to do and says, basically, open for business on veterans.

[76ciology]

We still need an upgrade at the back-up C position, then we’re good.

Good for what?

To take over the world

Exactly!

[youngcrev]

Is there a $-for-Yabu angle to this deal?

Potentially. They'd need to dump more salary (Drummond).