2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

Vince5693 · Post #2881 » by **Vince5693** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:06 pm

shawn_hemp wrote:Sorry I edited that post like 6 times

I wouldn't be upset if we got Tatum, but I feel like Monk would be a better fit.

And they should both theoretically be there when we are drafting

How about Frank Ntilikina? I know he may go a little later than we're picking and he's a bit of a mystery. From what I have seen, he has decent athleticism, good size, good defense, and he can shoot.

PhilasFinest · Post #2882 » by **PhilasFinest** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:07 pm

PLO wrote:What approach to the draft should the sixers take in a 'worse case scenrio', ie where we end up with a pick outside the top 8 and the Lakers keep their pick? I guess I'm asking who are some favourite players we have outside the top guys, ie middle first round and downwards.

Donovan Mitchell from Louisville. Kids a lottery pick In my opinion. I LOVE this kid and I'd probably take him as high as 9 or 10. Skilled combo guard, can shoot/be a facilitator/finish above the rim and defends. 2-way combo guard that would be a really good fit with Simmons/Embiid.

Bruce Brown. 20 y/o freshman from Miami. Old but started playing late and was a football convert. Tough, physical guard with athletic ability and 2-way upside.

SparksFly87 · Post #2883 » by **SparksFly87** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:08 pm

Tatum is intriguing because we need a 1 on 1 scorer on the perimeter. Someone who can get us buckets. Half our team is scared.

Simmons Monk Tatum Saric Embiid. Is well balanced scoring.

PhilasFinest · Post #2884 » by **PhilasFinest** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:09 pm

PLO wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
PLO wrote:
Yeah he's a few years away at least; love the upside though.

There all a few years away. They're all Freshmen.

What I mean he won't be getting significant minutes wherever he lands next year, unless whoever gets him wants to do a Brandon-Ingram style tank; Jackson, Fultz et al will get significant minutes, injuries aside. Isaac will have to put on quite a bit of weight/build his strength before you could trust him on an NBA floor, especially defensively which is his main attribute at the moment. He could well turn out to be the best defensive player in this draft, but that potential is years away given his build.

I don't think so. Issac isn't as skinny as Ingram and honestly is just as good, if not better coming out of college imo. He can play the 3 or some 4....he's a long athletic player and he can shoot. I think he could certainly contribute right away, especially for a team like us.

Kobblehead · Post #2885 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:13 pm

IMO, Miles Bridges and Jonathan Isaac are the guys that will play the 4 at the NBA level. I don't think anything about Jayson Tatum suggests he's a PF. To me, he's clearly a wing. He's way closer to being a SG than he is PF.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #2886 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:18 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I know Issac has upside, and I'm sure he'll be a nice player.....But I will explode with anger if we end up drafting him. My frustration will have boiled over at that point into a cataclysmic stream of flesh devouring lava. I will throw stuff and join my three and one year olds in a colossal fit throwing contest.

Why? Logjam at the 4?

Yes, not to say the guy isn't talented, he is. The continued logjam is already irritating enough.

LloydFree · Post #2887 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:24 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:
PLO wrote:What approach to the draft should the sixers take in a 'worse case scenrio', ie where we end up with a pick outside the top 8 and the Lakers keep their pick? I guess I'm asking who are some favourite players we have outside the top guys, ie middle first round and downwards.

Donovan Mitchell from Louisville. Kids a lottery pick In my opinion. I LOVE this kid and I'd probably take him as high as 9 or 10. Skilled combo guard, can shoot/be a facilitator/finish above the rim and defends. 2-way combo guard that would be a really good fit with Simmons/Embiid.

Bruce Brown. 20 y/o freshman from Miami. Old but started playing late and was a football convert. Tough, physical guard with athletic ability and 2-way upside.

Bruce Brown is the guy I think could really be the sleeper in this draft. If he declares, he's going to demolish some of the guards ranked ahead of him, in private workouts. He's too physically mature for some of these guys and he has the handle to get where he wants on the court.

PhilasFinest · Post #2888 » by **PhilasFinest** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:26 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Miles Bridges and Jonathan Isaac are the guys that will play the 4 at the NBA level. No clue why people think Jayson Tatum is a PF. To me, he's clearly a wing. He's way closer to being a SG than he is PF.

Tatum with an improved handle and improved finishing ability (which usually comes with added strength/experience) can seriously be a big time scorer (I know you know this lol)

He can break a defender down in a variety of ways and get his shot off. He can play from every area of the floor. 3, mid range and even in the post.

Given Embiid's incredible versatility on offense, Tatum could be big time for our team. The open looks from Simmons or Embiid double teams....and he'd likely be getting a lot of 1-1 matchups due to Them both receiving so much attention from opposing defenders.

Embiid/Simmons/Tatum would be a really really bright core to build Around. Get Tatum's ball handling tightened up and you could have some really tough matchups for teams to defend.

PhilasFinest · Post #2889 » by **PhilasFinest** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:29 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I know Issac has upside, and I'm sure he'll be a nice player.....But I will explode with anger if we end up drafting him. My frustration will have boiled over at that point into a cataclysmic stream of flesh devouring lava. I will throw stuff and join my three and one year olds in a colossal fit throwing contest.

Why? Logjam at the 4?

Yes, not to say the guy isn't talented, he is. The continued logjam is already irritating enough.

Do we really have a log jam at the 4 though?

If Ersan Is not brought back...we have Dario/Holmes? and possibly Simmons depending on where he exactly plays (could be a 1 or 3 as well).

Kobblehead · Post #2890 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:32 pm

Organizationally, if we do in fact end up with Jayson Tatum, will there be less of an emphasis on extending Covington?

Kobblehead · Post #2891 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:40 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Why? Logjam at the 4?

Yes, not to say the guy isn't talented, he is. The continued logjam is already irritating enough.

Do we really have a log jam at the 4 though?

If Ersan Is not brought back...we have Dario/Holmes? and possibly Simmons depending on where he exactly plays (could be a 1 or 3 as well).

Personally, I believe Simmons, Saric and Isaac are all defensive fours. Simmons and Isaac have the versatility to log minutes at the three because they are athletes, but might not be as optimal defending on the wing for long stretches.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #2892 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:46 pm

Much rather take Tatum over Issac, but I'm not making the decisions so I'll live with whoever the Clownshoe Colangelo decides to pick.

shawn_hemp · Post #2893 » by **shawn_hemp** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:17 pm

I wonder if players who are clearly going to the NBA next year shoot 3s from NBA range on purpose sometimes just to show they can to the scouts

sixerswillrule · Post #2894 » by **sixerswillrule** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:06 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:Do we really have a log jam at the 4 though?

If Ersan Is not brought back...we have Dario/Holmes? and possibly Simmons depending on where he exactly plays (could be a 1 or 3 as well).

Nerlens will get a few minutes there if we keep him, Dario should/will get all of his minutes there, and Simmons should/will start there and get at least half of his minutes there.

Isaac and Tatum both should be able to defend SFs though so I don't think they would cause a logjam problem.

smittybanton · Post #2895 » by **smittybanton** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:17 pm

PLO wrote:What approach to the draft should the sixers take in a 'worse case scenrio', ie where we end up with a pick outside the top 8 and the Lakers keep their pick? I guess I'm asking who are some favourite players we have outside the top guys, ie middle first round and downwards.

1st round - Miles Bridges, TJ Leaf, Robert Williams - Although Bridges is the only one who "fits", these three will be in the league for awhile, I think. If you trade Nerlens and Okafor, then you look at Bam Adebayo.

2nd round - Devonte Graham, DeAnthony Melton, Kobi Simmons, Shake Milton, Bruce Brown, Semi Ojeleye, Nigel Williams-Goss, Dillon Brooks

smittybanton · Post #2896 » by **smittybanton** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:21 pm

Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com discussed Lue’s new lineup- LeBron James, Kyle Korver, Derrick Williams, Richard Jefferson, and Channing Frye. None of the players in this formation are under 6-foot-7, Fedor writes, while possessing athletic ability and above-average shooting. “Yeah, I did (like it),” Lue said. “And I got to figure out different ways to get LeBron the ball where we want to get it to when we’re running our other actions.” James echoed his coach’s sentiments. “It’s a fantastic lineup, so it worked well for us. We got up the floor, got stops, shared the ball, so it’s a pretty good lineup.

Ben Simmons, Jayson Tatum, Robert Covington, Dario Saric, Joel Embiid

NBA Moses · Post #2897 » by **NBA Moses** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:40 pm

Ive watched Fultz play 5 games this seasonincluding last night vs Az St.. Maybe he just had bad games those times Ive watched him but I dont see anything great about this kid at all.

He reminds me of a poor mans Dangelo Russell.

Vince5693 · Post #2898 » by **Vince5693** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:45 pm

smittybanton wrote:
Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com discussed Lue’s new lineup- LeBron James, Kyle Korver, Derrick Williams, Richard Jefferson, and Channing Frye. None of the players in this formation are under 6-foot-7, Fedor writes, while possessing athletic ability and above-average shooting. “Yeah, I did (like it),” Lue said. “And I got to figure out different ways to get LeBron the ball where we want to get it to when we’re running our other actions.” James echoed his coach’s sentiments. “It’s a fantastic lineup, so it worked well for us. We got up the floor, got stops, shared the ball, so it’s a pretty good lineup.

Ben Simmons, Jayson Tatum, Robert Covington, Dario Saric, Joel Embiid

Who covers the point? The only one that you can even make an argument for is Covington and thats a far stretch.

Unbreakable99 · Post #2899 » by **Unbreakable99** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:45 pm

NBA Moses wrote:Ive watched Fultz play 5 games this seasonincluding last night vs Az St.. Maybe he just had bad games those times Ive watched him but I dont see anything great about this kid at all.

He reminds me of a poor mans Dangelo Russell.

I definitely think he's a better prospect than Russell but I do agree too many people put him on a pedestal like it's him then everyone else.

smittybanton · Post #2900 » by **smittybanton** » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:48 pm

Vince5693 wrote:
smittybanton wrote:
Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com discussed Lue’s new lineup- LeBron James, Kyle Korver, Derrick Williams, Richard Jefferson, and Channing Frye. None of the players in this formation are under 6-foot-7, Fedor writes, while possessing athletic ability and above-average shooting. “Yeah, I did (like it),” Lue said. “And I got to figure out different ways to get LeBron the ball where we want to get it to when we’re running our other actions.” James echoed his coach’s sentiments. “It’s a fantastic lineup, so it worked well for us. We got up the floor, got stops, shared the ball, so it’s a pretty good lineup.

Ben Simmons, Jayson Tatum, Robert Covington, Dario Saric, Joel Embiid

Who covers the point? The only one that you can even make an argument for is Covington and thats a far stretch.

In the caption above, who do you think guarded the point? In the modern nba teams will learn to guard the three point line and the rim.