2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

LloydFree · Post #2941 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:55 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Jonathan Motley is a real one.

So much depth in this draft. You can see why teams aren't willing to give away mid-1st round picks for Jahlil Okafor.

Arsenal · Post #2942 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:00 pm

Anyone watch Dennis Smith today? I read it was another underwhelming performance. I can easily see him falling to #6 or #7 in the draft.

HankTheTank · Post #2943 » by **HankTheTank** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:14 pm

LloydFree wrote:
islanders11040 wrote:2/18/2017

Texas A&M vs Auburn ESPNU, 4:00pm
Robert Williams

Robert Williams is a guy that is probably not being talked about enough. Us 76ers fans aren't really interested in PF's and Centers this year, but Williams is going to be a guy that could easily shoot into the top 8 picks. He is an off the charts specimen. If Marquis Chriss can get drafted in the top 10, this guy can easily go in this year's top 10. He's a better prospect than Chriss.

I would love a beast like him next to JoJo, which is why I mentioned Jordan Bell, a poor man's version. I think having physicality is important to team makeup. People think we have a log jam at 4/5, but look 1-2 years out. Okafor and Noel likely gone, Ilyasova maybe as well. Simmons and Roco can guard wings.

If we're picking 9-10ish, the best perimeter players are gone, and looking at Williams versus Markkanen, I wouldn't hesitate. In fact, I may take him over Monk until I see accurate measurements on him.

HankTheTank · Post #2944 » by **HankTheTank** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:17 pm

LloydFree wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Jonathan Motley is a real one.

So much depth in this draft. You can see why teams aren't willing to give away mid-1st round picks for Jahlil Okafor.

But, but.... I'm still seeing people suggest we might be able to get a 1st + for Oak!

LloydFree · Post #2945 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:23 pm

HankTheTank wrote:
LloydFree wrote:
islanders11040 wrote:2/18/2017

Texas A&M vs Auburn ESPNU, 4:00pm
Robert Williams

Robert Williams is a guy that is probably not being talked about enough. Us 76ers fans aren't really interested in PF's and Centers this year, but Williams is going to be a guy that could easily shoot into the top 8 picks. He is an off the charts specimen. If Marquis Chriss can get drafted in the top 10, this guy can easily go in this year's top 10. He's a better prospect than Chriss.

I would love a beast like him next to JoJo, which is why I mentioned Jordan Bell, a poor man's version. I think having physicality is important to team makeup. People think we have a log jam at 4/5, but look 1-2 years out. Okafor and Noel likely gone, Ilyasova maybe as well. Simmons and Roco can guard wings.

If we're picking 9-10ish, the best perimeter players are gone, and looking at Williams versus Markkanen, I wouldn't hesitate. In fact, I may take him over Monk until I see accurate measurements on him.

I agree with you. I hadn't really thought about it, because the 76ers are desperate for shooters, but Williams is the kind of player that I'd usually have rated much higher than Markkenen. You're right. I'd take that shot too.

HankTheTank · Post #2946 » by **HankTheTank** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:27 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Jonathan Motley is a real one.

He's another one-- I want more picks damnit. My question with him, and I may be wrong only having seen him a couple times-- he seems to play below the rim, not as explosive as he looks like he should be.

Negrodamus · Post #2947 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:11 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Dillon Brooks spikes on dudes, too.

Are you concerned with his 6'4 wingspan? He seems to be finishing fine at the rim right now.

Unbreakable99 · Post #2948 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:28 pm

So does Harry Giles just stink? He's healthy enough to play but is still not playing much. Was he overrated in high school? This guy is not going to be a lotto pick if he comes out this year. His draft stock just plummeted.

HankTheTank · Post #2949 » by **HankTheTank** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:28 pm

Just doing some Robert Williams research... I think nbadraft.net likes him a bit:

Strengths: Huge upside ... Has tremendous physical attributes with elite level length (7-foot-5.5 wingspan) and high level run/jump athleticism ... Shows excellent rebounding ability, utilizing his length for rebounds ... A dominant shot blocker showing the timing and aggressiveness to be a rim protector (2.5 blocks per game in 24 mpg) ... Offensive game has a lot of promise as he shows the ability to legitimately create offense for himself at an early stage ... Post moves, while raw are beginning to show promise as his footwork and touch around the rim continue to improve ... Excellent in the open floor as he has elite level fluidity and run/jump athleticism ... An explosive athlete that has begun to become comfortable attacking the rim off the face up, dribble drive ... Has the length and athleticism to go right up and dunk over a lot of college opponents when he gets the ball in around the basket ... Displays very good body control, and amazing explosiveness ... Great hands give him the ability to catch errant passes and corral rebounds out of his area ... Shows an aggressive nature, competes hard, doesn't back down and will let his opponent know that he's not afraid ... A surprising mid-range shooter who has gained confidence in his ability to spot up or post up for 12-15 foot shots ... Already close to 240 lbs and has the size to play both post positions at the next level ... Should be able to comfortably add another 20-25 pounds without compromising any agility or mobility ... Adept at absorbing contact and finishing and has no problem seeking out contact to draw fouls and in playing physical ... Shows a tremendous amount of upside if he gets the proper coaching and develops dedication to honing his skillset ... Has a jump hook over his left shoulder that he is beginning to gain confidence in ... A very good passer for a bigman, which makes him difficult to double, even showing the vision and imagination to find teammates and create shots for them ... Very coachable kid who has shown the ability to pick up things quickly ... Charismatic, likable kid who can be unselfish to a fault ...

Kobblehead · Post #2950 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:32 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Dillon Brooks spikes on dudes, too.

Are you concerned with his 6'4 wingspan? He seems to be finishing fine at the rim right now.

It's concerning. Kind of just hoping he gets a better measurement at the combine.

Kobblehead · Post #2951 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:38 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:So does Harry Giles just stink? He's healthy enough to play but is still not playing much. Was he overrated in high school? This guy is not going to be a lotto pick if he comes out this year. His draft stock just plummeted.

It's hard to say if he was overrated or just ruined before he even got started. His left knee injury was outright devastating (ACL, MCL and meniscus all tore) and then he tore the ACL in his right knee.

LloydFree · Post #2952 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:40 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:So does Harry Giles just stink? He's healthy enough to play but is still not playing much. Was he overrated in high school? This guy is not going to be a lotto pick if he comes out this year. His draft stock just plummeted.

It's hard to tell if he "stinks". You can see that he has tools. He runs like a deer, even though he had those injuries. But right now he seems a bit lost on the court. He's afraid of the ball and his awareness isn't good.

Unbreakable99 · Post #2953 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:23 pm

It's just weird Giles was supposed to be the next Chris Webber and can barely get 10 minutes. If he comes out he may be taken at the end of the first round. If he does meet expectations then some team is going to get a good player for cheap but I don't know. He may just be the next Zendon Hamilton or Labissiere.

snoopdogg88 · Post #2954 » by **snoopdogg88** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:33 pm

Harry Giles stinks

Unbreakable99 · Post #2955 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:39 pm

A few questions between Booker vs Monk
1. Who was the better player as a freshman
2. Who was the better shooter as a freshman
3. Who projects to be the better player in the NBA
4. Who projects to be the better shooter in the NBA
5. Who projects to be the better defender in the NBA

Unbreakable99 · Post #2956 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:41 pm

Kobble and Lloyd or anyone if Giles came out and was sitting there in the second round would you take him?

PhilasFinest · Post #2957 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:43 pm

Harry Giles needs at least a year to recover and get back into shape both physically and more importantly, mentally.

Kids so young and is coming off of 2 blown ACL's. that's some serious stuff to bounce back from.

PhilasFinest · Post #2958 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:43 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Kobble and Lloyd or anyone if Giles came out and was sitting there in the second round would you take him?

Yes. 110%.

LloydFree · Post #2959 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:54 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Kobble and Lloyd or anyone if Giles came out and was sitting there in the second round would you take him?

2nd round, definitely. But there are too many good prospects to take him in the lottery, IMO.

LloydFree · Post #2960 » by **LloydFree** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:04 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:A few questions between Booker vs Monk
1. Who was the better player as a freshman
2. Who was the better shooter as a freshman
3. Who projects to be the better player in the NBA
4. Who projects to be the better shooter in the NBA
5. Who projects to be the better defender in the NBA

Skill wise I think it's close, but Booker has an advantage in length. Monk's lack of size limits his professional ceiling a bit. Right now Monk looks like a 6th man scoring machine. On the 76ers he would start, but I don't know if he would on any other team that had a traditional PG.

I could see him having a similar role as Jamaal Murray as a scorer off the bench.