Embiid Updates/Discussion

[NYSixersFan]

That was a question. No numbers. You're basing your percentage on a question?

It was an estimate...Of course I can't give you an exact percentage. This is all semantics on your part

Oh, it's an estimate. That's quite different. Wait a minute ... no it isn't. Because in order to come up with an estimate, you still have to base it on something concrete. The only way to come up with a meaningful estimate is to have access to reliable data.

These Hinkie-ites are so sensitive. You continue to debate semantics. The history of big men with serious foot injuries; who have a long and successful career is not very good.

[Da Doctor]

Hard not to be a Negadelphian when everything in this horrible city is negative sports-wise....

[Embiid P]

I'm no doctor or med student by any means, but why is this report just coming out now if he didn't re-injure his foot? If he was behind schedule with his healing process, why wasn't it mentioned months ago?

[NYSixersFan]

The real is question is if he wasn't fully healed; why was he allowed to do all the activity he's been doing for months?

[LloydFree]

I'm no doctor or med student by any means, but why is this report just coming out now if he didn't re-injure his foot? If he was behind schedule with his healing process, why wasn't it mentioned months ago?

Because it's June and it's pre-draft. That's why it was leaked now.

[JoelNoel]

It was an estimate...Of course I can't give you an exact percentage. This is all semantics on your part

Oh, it's an estimate. That's quite different. Wait a minute ... no it isn't. Because in order to come up with an estimate, you still have to base it on something concrete. The only way to come up with a meaningful estimate is to have access to reliable data.

These Hinkie-ites are so sensitive. You continue to debate semantics. The history of big men with serious foot injuries; who have a long and successful career is not very good.

Every injury is different. Embiid's injury required a lot less screws than guys like Yao or Big Z. It's also 2015. Medicine has gotten much better.

[Ericb5]

It was an estimate...Of course I can't give you an exact percentage. This is all semantics on your part

Oh, it's an estimate. That's quite different. Wait a minute ... no it isn't. Because in order to come up with an estimate, you still have to base it on something concrete. The only way to come up with a meaningful estimate is to have access to reliable data.

These Hinkie-ites are so sensitive. You continue to debate semantics. The history of big men with serious foot injuries; who have a long and successful career is not very good.

Which is the ONLY reason we were able to get him.

That is the part that you don't seem to grasp. We got one of the best prospects in the last 20 years because of those injury risks. We knew it from the beginning.

You act as if we had the first pick in the draft and passed on Wiggins. We passed on Dante Exum and Aaron Gordon. It isn't the same thing.




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[CoreyGallagher]

Remember when the draft and who we were going to choose was all that we worried about?

Good times.

[JoelNoel]

Oh, it's an estimate. That's quite different. Wait a minute ... no it isn't. Because in order to come up with an estimate, you still have to base it on something concrete. The only way to come up with a meaningful estimate is to have access to reliable data.

These Hinkie-ites are so sensitive. You continue to debate semantics. The history of big men with serious foot injuries; who have a long and successful career is not very good.

Which is the ONLY reason we were able to get him.

That is the part that you don't seem to grasp. We got one of the best prospects in the last 20 years because of those injury risks. We knew it from the beginning.

You act as if we had the first pick in the draft and passed on Wiggins. We passed on Dante Exum and Aaron Gordon. It isn't the same thing.




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Exactly. We made the best pick at #3. Even with this report, Embiid is still the best pick at 3.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Just draft the BPA and keep moving forward. That is really all we can do.

[HartfordWhalers]

Remember when the draft and who we were going to choose was all that we had to worry about?

Good times.

I don't.

[James40]

Obviously Embiid busting would be a disaster.

Where have you been that you feel that you need to make that point now?

We NEVER would have been able to draft him at 3 if there wasn't a real chance that he would medically bust.

Nobody is arguing that we will be fine if he busts. We are arguing that, even with that bust potential, he was the right pick last year, plus we still don't know anything about the condition of his foot that makes him more likely to bust today than what we knew back then.



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He has been here the whole time, he like myself and a few others were extremely skeptical of the Embiid pick, and I'm sorry but if Embiid doesn't play for the Sixers, or plays 40-50 games a year then yes it was the wrong pick.

Those of us who didn't love the Embiid pick was because of two reasons
1. Injury history.
2. Wanting to see the Sixers trying to win some games.

That doesn't make either side wrong yet.....

You're saying that whether it was a good decision or a bad decision to draft Embiid depends on future events. This is just so wrong.

The only way to evaluate a decision is based upon the information that is available at the time that the decision is made. So on draft day 2014, it was either a good decision or it was a bad decision. And that can't change.

If his foot isn't healed yet and he's doing between the leg dunks then there is a serious problem, dumb decision on draft day or not.

[NYSixersFan]

Oh, it's an estimate. That's quite different. Wait a minute ... no it isn't. Because in order to come up with an estimate, you still have to base it on something concrete. The only way to come up with a meaningful estimate is to have access to reliable data.

These Hinkie-ites are so sensitive. You continue to debate semantics. The history of big men with serious foot injuries; who have a long and successful career is not very good.

Which is the ONLY reason we were able to get him.

That is the part that you don't seem to grasp. We got one of the best prospects in the last 20 years because of those injury risks. We knew it from the beginning.

You act as if we had the first pick in the draft and passed on Wiggins. We passed on Dante Exum and Aaron Gordon. It isn't the same thing.




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Again, why did we have to make a pick at #3? I'm confident that there were trade scenario's we rejected that would have been far more beneficial to drafting a 7 footer with serious injury problems.

[TigerInYourTank]

http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-philadelphia-76ers/source-surgery-still-possible-joel-embiid

Here is a video from one Dr Mark Schwartz (Virtua Sports Medicine?) giving his opinion on Embiid in an interview. He doesn't really go into a lot of detail, unfortunately, but his tone is clear.

[guitarpath]

Embiid was absolutely the no-brainer correct pick with #3 last year. For a team like the Sixers, completely devoid of talent, to pass on an opportunity to take a potential franchise center would be insane. Yes, he is a calculated risk with the injury. Without the injury history, Embiid would have been the consensus #1 overall pick. He was available to the Sixers because of the injury. They did the right thing in going for greatness. This is true even if he misses the season and never pans out.

It is not dissimilar to risk the Eagles took with Sam Bradford and the one the Saints took with Drew Brees. Without the injuries, those players would never have been available.

Often times, teams with championship aspirations have to make calculated risks with great but injured players. Sometimes, those risks pay off. Sometimes, they don't. One characteristic about successful people is that they are generally not risk averse. This is a reason to be hopeful about Sam Hinkie.

[Los5782]

I wouldn't be surprised if they're genuinely putting out reasoning as to why he won't be playing in SL, maybe even a portion of/entire upcoming season. There legit is going to be at least ONE more season of (a) lottery pick(s), this upcoming season. I don't think there's ANY setbacks, nor has such been stated. In fact, Embiid's was cleared to, & proceeded to ramp up his workouts drastically; as has been reported, he's been looking explosive & dominant in recent workouts. Hinkie & co. I think is prepared to enter year 3, & likely final year of the "tank", there's going to be major growing pains with such a young team, & more incoming youth... so why play Joel? All the official FO statement said was the Embiid was not recovering at the pace they expected. We're not contending for anything... give his surgically repaired foot another several months, skipping SL, or maybe even the season. Full 2 seasons to heal the foot, wouldn't seem like unreasonable logic, we all agree that Joel has franchise potential, so why not theoretically give him the max % chance to succeed while the rebuild is still ongoing, maybe they want Dario to come over for obvious reasons (giving Brett more to work with/develop in the meanwhile, & also giving the fans more too.) I have several points though, excuse all the rambling I'm tired but:

1. Joel is our prospect with franchise potential, we all know that, Hinkie & co. want to give him more than enough time to solidify that surgically repaired foot, so they want to drop the bomb (which really wasn't much of a bomb, more like a firecracker) now, people are already down in the dumps disappointed & feeling hopeless, let the fans lose all expectations they had now; by the time draft time comes around, & we draft our players... & IF + DARIO comes over... fans are already looking on the bright side, the narrative will then be yeah I've lost hope for Embiid, but we still have _______ & now we have ______ also and Dario? Solid foundation, our rebuild is still very very good & promising. In the meanwhile Embiid will go on to sit SL & potentially the upcoming season, people will have 0 expectations of Embiid, yet he'll come in following 2 seasons of post surgery recovery & potentially be that franchise player we all envisioned initially.

2. Killing 2 birds with one stone, whilst getting point 1 ^ above accomplished, we're also posturing for the draft, Hinkie could end up getting 2 prospects in this upcoming lottery. People are now under the impression that Philly's in code red panic, with our prized big man prospect again going down. This upcoming draft consist of 2-3 premier big men, depending on who you are & your perception of KP6. All together this draft is likely considered to be 3-4 elite prospect deep. KAT, Oak, & Russ, and NOW potentially maybe KP6. A lot of people say Russ & Kat are tier 1A, with Oak being a notch below, now KP6 is being talked about being in those upper 2 tiers. Hinkie could possibly end up doing what he did in last years draft, which is trading back a spot or 2 while getting additional assets. Rumors of potentially trading Noel to get the NY or Orlando pick, depending how the draft goes. Could end up with Russ & one of the big men, likely KP6. Personally, regardless of what people will say, IMO I wouldn't be totally opposed to this. There's been a lot of well wishing with the Noel situation, that he'll fill out, he'll develop an offensive/face up game, that he'd work with Joel in a pairing. If we could leave the draft with KP6, or another big AND one of the other lotto picks I wouldn't be opposed to the idea at all.

Either way, I think the FO is seriously prepping us for a longer Joel wait (not because of setbacks, but because of precautionary measures), also potentially looking to head into this upcoming & final 'tank' year with 2-3 new prospects to keep fans satisfied, & just because it really boosts our chances as a franchise for success.

[LongLiveHinkie]

A doctor tweeted out that this is bad news, and he most likely will need another surgery, plus no basketball again.

Not the doctor who is examining him though so take FWIW

[CoreyGallagher]

A doctor tweeted out that this is bad news, and he most likely will need another surgery, plus no basketball again.

Not the doctor who is examining him though so take FWIW

There's been conflicting reports throughout the day, it's all conjecture.

[the_process]

I wouldn't be surprised if they're genuinely putting out reasoning as to why he won't be playing in SL, maybe even a portion of/entire upcoming season. There legit is going to be at least ONE more season of (a) lottery pick(s), this upcoming season. I don't think there's ANY setbacks, nor has such been stated. In fact, Embiid's was cleared to, & proceeded to ramp up his workouts drastically; as has been reported, he's been looking explosive & dominant in recent workouts. Hinkie & co. I think is prepared to enter year 3, & likely final year of the "tank", there's going to be major growing pains with such a young team, & more incoming youth... so why play Joel? All the official FO statement said was the Embiid was not recovering at the pace they expected. We're not contending for anything... give his surgically repaired foot another several months, skipping SL, or maybe even the season. Full 2 seasons to heal the foot, wouldn't seem like unreasonable logic, we all agree that Joel has franchise potential, so why not theoretically give him the max % chance to succeed while the rebuild is still ongoing, maybe they want Dario to come over for obvious reasons (giving Brett more to work with/develop in the meanwhile, & also giving the fans more too.) I have several points though, excuse all the rambling I'm tired but:

1. Joel is our prospect with franchise potential, we all know that, Hinkie & co. want to give him more than enough time to solidify that surgically repaired foot, so they want to drop the bomb (which really wasn't much of a bomb, more like a firecracker) now, people are already down in the dumps disappointed & feeling hopeless, let the fans lose all expectations they had now; by the time draft time comes around, & we draft our players... & IF + DARIO comes over... fans are already looking on the bright side, the narrative will then be yeah I've lost hope for Embiid, but we still have _______ & now we have ______ also and Dario? Solid foundation, our rebuild is still very very good & promising. In the meanwhile Embiid will go on to sit SL & potentially the upcoming season, people will have 0 expectations of Embiid, yet he'll come in following 2 seasons of post surgery recovery & potentially be that franchise player we all envisioned initially.

2. Killing 2 birds with one stone, whilst getting point 1 ^ above accomplished, we're also posturing for the draft, Hinkie could end up getting 2 prospects in this upcoming lottery. People are now under the impression that Philly's in code red panic, with our prized big man prospect again going down. This upcoming draft consist of 2-3 premier big men, depending on who you are & your perception of KP6. All together this draft is likely considered to be 3-4 elite prospect deep. KAT, Oak, & Russ, and NOW potentially maybe KP6. A lot of people say Russ & Kat are tier 1A, with Oak being a notch below, now KP6 is being talked about being in those upper 2 tiers. Hinkie could possibly end up doing what he did in last years draft, which is trading back a spot or 2 while getting additional assets. Rumors of potentially trading Noel to get the NY or Orlando pick, depending how the draft goes. Could end up with Russ & one of the big men, likely KP6. Personally, regardless of what people will say, IMO I wouldn't be totally opposed to this. There's been a lot of well wishing with the Noel situation, that he'll fill out, he'll develop an offensive/face up game, that he'd work with Joel in a pairing. If we could leave the draft with KP6, or another big AND one of the other lotto picks I wouldn't be opposed to the idea at all.

Either way, I think the FO is seriously prepping us for a longer Joel wait (not because of setbacks, but because of precautionary measures), also potentially looking to head into this upcoming & final 'tank' year with 2-3 new prospects to keep fans satisfied, & just because it really boosts our chances as a franchise for success.

Fu***ng spot on, good sir. Even the Noel part, which I disagree with, I could totally see Hinkie do.

[Da Doctor]

A doctor tweeted out that this is bad news, and he most likely will need another surgery, plus no basketball again.

Not the doctor who is examining him though so take FWIW

Only the Sixers if true