Around the League - 2019-2020

kriss73 · Post #301 » by **kriss73** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:35 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:As currently constructed, I'd say there are 6-7 contenders ahead of Golden State this year.

Contender for the #1st pick, maybe

Kobblehead · Post #302 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:37 pm

Sixerscan wrote:So if every time anyone says anything about the Clippers I say "Well if they give up 130 points to the Suns they can't win anything" would that be helpful or productive?

I don't care about what is happening right now. I'm projecting everything out to April and looking for what will and won't work in a playoff setting.

The Clippers are the best and deepest team in the NBA and have the best player in the NBA. And their 2nd best player would be the best player on 90% of NBA rosters.

Kobblehead · Post #303 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:46 pm

Sixerscan wrote:The playoffs are 6 months from now, this is all still a step beyond preseason.

My evaluations for who I think can and can't win a title would have been the same in July as it is now. October basketball doesn't even factor in.

Post #304 » by **Sixerscan** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:52 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:So if every time anyone says anything about the Clippers I say "Well if they give up 130 points to the Suns they can't win anything" would that be helpful or productive?

I don't care about what is happening right now. I'm projecting everything out to April and looking for what will and won't work in a playoff setting.

The Clippers are the best and deepest team in the NBA and have the best player in the NBA. And their 2nd best player would be the best player on 90% of NBA rosters.

Sure seems like you think what’s happening now matters a little more when it fits the prediction that you have decided is correct and crazy to think otherwise 4 days into the season...

Kobblehead · Post #305 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:58 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Sure seems like you think what’s happening now matters a little more when it fits the prediction that you have decided is correct and crazy to think otherwise 4 days into the season...

I literally don't care about records right now at all.

Do you have enough playable guys to field a productive playoff rotation?
Do you have high end talent that can go on the ball and score in the halfcourt from multiple levels?

Historically, those are two of the most important questions to answer when considering true title contention.

The Sixers, Lakers and Bucks could start the year 15-5 each and I wouldn't think their title chances would be any different then what I think they are now.

ProcessDoctor · Post #306 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:12 pm

LloydFree wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:As currently constructed, I'd say there are 6-7 contenders ahead of Golden State this year.

6 or 7? As currently constructed, the Warriors won't make the playoffs.

Today was quite an eye-opener.

Post #307 » by **Sixerscan** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:17 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Sure seems like you think what’s happening now matters a little more when it fits the prediction that you have decided is correct and crazy to think otherwise 4 days into the season...

I literally don't care about records right now at all.

Do you have enough playable guys to field a productive playoff rotation?
Do you have high end talent that can go on the ball and score in the halfcourt from multiple levels?

Historically, those are two of the most important questions to answer when considering true title contention.

The Sixers, Lakers and Bucks could start the year 15-5 each and I wouldn't think their title chances would be any different then what I think they are now.

There’s no absolute formula. Of course the Vegas favorite has a great chance to win but they’re not an overwhelming juggernaut without flaws. All of these teams are so new and figuring stuff out over the next 6-8 months. Would appreciate you not jumping on everyone that disagrees with you over that time.

Kobblehead · Post #308 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:30 pm

Sixerscan wrote:There’s no absolute formula. Of course the Vegas favorite has a great chance to win but they’re not an overwhelming juggernaut without flaws. All of these teams are so new and figuring stuff out over the next 6-8 months. Would appreciate you not jumping on everyone that disagrees with you over that time.

Wouldn't you say you have a pretty good idea what 3-5 teams (presently constructed) can win a championship right now?

Post #309 » by **Sixerscan** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:35 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:There’s no absolute formula. Of course the Vegas favorite has a great chance to win but they’re not an overwhelming juggernaut without flaws. All of these teams are so new and figuring stuff out over the next 6-8 months. Would appreciate you not jumping on everyone that disagrees with you over that time.

Wouldn't you say you have a pretty good idea what 3-5 teams (presently constructed) can win a championship right now?

Sure but the way you’re saying anyone would be fortunate to take them 6 or that they don’t have any issue in the front court is a little much.

Kobblehead · Post #310 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:45 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Sure but the way you’re saying anyone would be fortunate to take them 6 or that they don’t have any issue in the front court is a little much.

They're literally getting elite scoring production from their C position:
- 26 ppg per-36 from Zubac
- 24 ppg per-36 from Harrell

And on the other end, they have Leonard, George, Beverely and Harkless to send on a double the moment someone tries to attack them in the post.

We just had the Celtics take Embiid out of the equation in the opener deploying the same tactic.

Post #311 » by **Sixerscan** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:18 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Sure but the way you’re saying anyone would be fortunate to take them 6 or that they don’t have any issue in the front court is a little much.

They're literally getting elite scoring production from their C position:
- 26 ppg per-36 from Zubac
- 24 ppg per-36 from Harrell

And on the other end, they have Leonard, George, Beverely and Harkless to send on a double the moment someone tries to attack them in the post.

We just had the Celtics take Embiid out of the equation in the opener deploying the same tactic.

Embiid scored 24 pp36 in that game which I’ve been told is elite, and the game was over with 6 minutes to go despite guys missing tons of open shots. You can double him if you want but he’ll get his points and it opens up other opportunities for others.

We’re back to haggling over regular season results btw. Congrats to them for scoring lots of points as they get blown out by the Suns.

XtremeDunkz · Post #312 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:20 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Sure but the way you’re saying anyone would be fortunate to take them 6 or that they don’t have any issue in the front court is a little much.

They're literally getting elite scoring production from their C position:
- 26 ppg per-36 from Zubac
- 24 ppg per-36 from Harrell

And on the other end, they have Leonard, George, Beverely and Harkless to send on a double the moment someone tries to attack them in the post.

We just had the Celtics take Embiid out of the equation in the opener deploying the same tactic.

Are you seriously talking about Per 36 after THREE GAMES?

After the offseason I sometimes forget why I have people on ignore, but they always remind me.

Kobblehead · Post #313 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:26 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:Are you seriously talking about Per 36 after THREE GAMES?

You're in for a rude awakening if you think Harrell and Zubac's scoring production is inflated due to small sample size.

For their career:
- 17.1 ppg per-36 for Zubac
- 21.1 ppg per-36 for Harrell

These dudes produce points whenever they're on the court.

Kobblehead · Post #314 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:34 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Embiid scored 24 pp36 in that game which I’ve been told is elite, and the game was over with 6 minutes to go despite guys missing tons of open shots. You can double him if you want but he’ll get his points and it opens up other opportunities for others.

We’re back to haggling over regular season results btw. Congrats to them for scoring lots of points as they get blown out by the Suns.

Do you think Embiid has displayed decisiveness with the ball and composure when doubled? Particularly in playoff series against Boston and Toronto? Also, pretty sure that double will come from Ben Simmons man where there will be little to no threat of harm.

All I'm doing is disputing that the Clippers bigman rotation is a huge detriment to their title chances. I'm trying to convince people it doesn't matter and they're actually really productive on the offensive end and easy to protect defensively.

nitocobola · Post #315 » by **nitocobola** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:13 am

kendrick nunn wasn't even drafted in 2018, the heat found a gem. He will be in the conversation for ROTY this year.

Post #316 » by **Sixerscan** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:26 am

Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Embiid scored 24 pp36 in that game which I’ve been told is elite, and the game was over with 6 minutes to go despite guys missing tons of open shots. You can double him if you want but he’ll get his points and it opens up other opportunities for others.

We’re back to haggling over regular season results btw. Congrats to them for scoring lots of points as they get blown out by the Suns.

Do you think Embiid has displayed decisiveness with the ball and composure when doubled? Particularly in playoff series against Boston and Toronto? Also, pretty sure that double will come from Ben Simmons man where there will be little to no threat of harm.

All I'm doing is disputing that the Clippers bigman rotation is a huge detriment to their title chances. I'm trying to convince people it doesn't matter and they're actually really productive on the offensive end and easy to protect defensively.

I hope the Clippers’ share your certainty that they have nothing to worry about.

Post #317 » by **Sixerscan** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:27 am

Morant just took Irving’s lunch

LordCovington33 · Post #318 » by **LordCovington33** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:36 am

XtremeDunkz wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Sure but the way you’re saying anyone would be fortunate to take them 6 or that they don’t have any issue in the front court is a little much.

They're literally getting elite scoring production from their C position:
- 26 ppg per-36 from Zubac
- 24 ppg per-36 from Harrell

And on the other end, they have Leonard, George, Beverely and Harkless to send on a double the moment someone tries to attack them in the post.

We just had the Celtics take Embiid out of the equation in the opener deploying the same tactic.

Are you seriously talking about Per 36 after THREE GAMES?

After the offseason I sometimes forget why I have people on ignore, but they always remind me.

What is worse is that Zubac has averaged 14 minutes per game. How can you use per36 and keep a straight face, knowing that the player in question has played so little? per36 is so flawed and yet people continue to use it.

Kobblehead · Post #319 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:05 am

Morant is everything Colangelo thought Fultz was.

3 level scorer that could shoot, pass and defend.

Kobblehead · Post #320 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:08 am

LordCovington33 wrote:What is worse is that Zubac has averaged 14 minutes per game. How can you use per36 and keep a straight face, knowing that the player in question has played so little? per36 is so flawed and yet people continue to use it.

Okay, forget about Zubac if you want.

Look at Harrell. He's got the raw minutes and production to go along with the theoretic ones. And he's one of the most switchable bigs in the NBA on the perimeter.

I just think if you're going to point to the Clippers bigs to being a reason they're not winning the title, you may be mistaken. Time will tell.