Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?)

[mjkvol]

It's so rare and refreshing when a national media guy just says it like it is, with no equivocation. This is perfect.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-76ers-doc-rivers-era-must-immediately-end-following-the-latest-postseason-collapse/

[blazehound]

The move last summer was Harris/Maxey/picks for Mitchell, but that never transpired. Our options are limited with Maxey now. I agree that he’s probably a #3 on a championship team, with upside as a #2 if everything goes right.

You’re looking at trading old Harden for someone else’s problems (Kawhi, Ja, CP3) or overpriced Harris for smaller pieces ala Lakers Westbrook trade.

I don't think Harden can yield Kawhi or Ja. I think a darkhorse would be Ingram, but that's trading one loser for another who is younger but hasn't played more than 70 games in a season.

My prediction: Doc gets fired, Morey makes some moves for better shooting stretch forwards, we run it back, everyone is angry.

This going to happen 100%. The only question for me is Harden here as well?

[mjkvol]

Do you guys know that Rivers has now lost 10 game 7's? Nobody else has more than 5.

At what point is enough finally enough?

[Negrodamus]

The move last summer was Harris/Maxey/picks for Mitchell, but that never transpired. Our options are limited with Maxey now. I agree that he’s probably a #3 on a championship team, with upside as a #2 if everything goes right.

You’re looking at trading old Harden for someone else’s problems (Kawhi, Ja, CP3) or overpriced Harris for smaller pieces ala Lakers Westbrook trade.

I don't think Harden can yield Kawhi or Ja. I think a darkhorse would be Ingram, but that's trading one loser for another who is younger but hasn't played more than 70 games in a season.

My prediction: Doc gets fired, Morey makes some moves for better shooting stretch forwards, we run it back, everyone is angry.

This going to happen 100%. The only question for me is Harden here as well?

Is Daryl Morey here? Then yes. The only question is if we bring in more of Harden's old gang (ie D'Antoni)...

[Jay555]

It's so rare and refreshing when a national media guy just says it like it is, with no equivocation. This is perfect.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-76ers-doc-rivers-era-must-immediately-end-following-the-latest-postseason-collapse/

I bought it. Can we just fire that dude first and worry about other stuff later assuming the ownership is not going to cheap out?

[the_process]

Do you guys know that Rivers has now lost 10 game 7's? Nobody else has more than 5.

At what point is enough finally enough?

Hoping but not expecting the hammer to drop later today.

[Jay555]

Embiid had a down series and an all time stinker in game 7. Yet, he still performed more consistently than Tatum, who had 3 of the worst 1st halfs in playoff history, and was getting his **** pushed in by Embiid over and over again. Tatum then got some balls and brought in the 4th quarter of game 6 and had an all time game 7. That's the definition of inconsistent. Embiid just came up small, it's a little different. Embiid's cieling is immensely higher than Tatums. Tatum isn't nearly as gifted as Embiid and will never be in the MVP conversation trully. If Embiid was even 80% of regular season Embiid we would have won this in 5 or 6. He wasn't and that's on him. Embiid's issue is all mental.

Stop.

Embiid was 1-8 in the playoffs against Tatum before this series. What makes you think Embiid’s ceiling is immensely higher than Tatum? Speaking of MVP, Tatum was in the MVP conversation if you followed the regular season. If they won it all, see the league gift him one in the next couple years.

Down 2-3 Vs Bucks last season, Tatum scored 46 pts to level that series up before knocking Bucks out in G7. Dude hit the winning shots against us in G6 and proceeded to drop 50 on us in G7.


When you said Embiid is immensely talented, based on what exactly? Embiid can never replicate anything like What Tatum did. Hell, can he even replicate what Harden did in G1 or G4?

The matter of fact is Tatum is a 1A player whereas Embiid can only be a 1B player unless proven otherwise.

Talent on paper is never a real talent.

I get your upset, but cmon now, dude just won the MVP. He had an all time collapse, but maybe look over what you just wrote. Also realize Tatum has a more talented team, with a running mate who is arguably better than him, while Embiid has to carry this rotten franchise on a daily basis. His coach is ass, his bench is inconsistent, his co-star is missing half the time, and he was injured. Despite all that the team was 5 minutes away from making the ECF. But all of that goes away with one performance. No it doesnt. Embiid will need to do some soul searching, and I'm pretty disgusted with him right now. I also can think objectively, and know that there are a variety of factors that went into this.

To be fair, Tatum is a bitch for saying he’s one of the best players in the world and I hope Jimmy schools them and knocks them out. Your points are all valid. But again that dude delivered whereas Embiid shrank.. it’s what it is.

[Mik317]

I feel bad for Doc ...well almost.

He isn't the main reason we lost this year lol....honestly not even the highest non player on my list of people who made my life miserable in terms of this team lol.

BUT you can't keep getting away with this so his ass needs to be grass.

The sad part is that we will probably bring in another retread with old ideas so who gives a **** lol.

MDA at least would be creative offensively...I guess.

I think Nick Nurse is a sociopath and while his main idea may just be "get the guy who is good at basketball".... I might need that level of crazy.

[Negrodamus]

Do you guys know that Rivers has now lost 10 game 7's? Nobody else has more than 5.

At what point is enough finally enough?

Hoping but not expecting the hammer to drop later today.

Last year, we lost on May 12th and there was a press conference exit interview on the 13th. If there's nothing today (which I don't see on their site), then there might be something in motion.

[Jailblazers7]

Doc is absolutely a goner. Something has to change & changing the coach is the easiest option. The question is how much will the roster change this summer.

[Mik317]

Do you guys know that Rivers has now lost 10 game 7's? Nobody else has more than 5.

At what point is enough finally enough?

Hoping but not expecting the hammer to drop later today.

Last year, we lost on May 12th and there was a press conference exit interview on the 13th. If there's nothing today (which I don't see on their site), then there might be something in motion.

teams have been skipping those this year

[Negrodamus]

I feel bad for Doc ...well almost.

He isn't the main reason we lost this year lol....honestly not even the highest non player on my list of people who made my life miserable in terms of this team lol.

BUT you can't keep getting away with this so his ass needs to be grass.

The sad part is that we will probably bring in another retread with old ideas so who gives a **** lol.

MDA at least would be creative offensively...I guess.

I think Nick Nurse is a sociopath and while his main idea may just be "get the guy who is good at basketball".... I might need that level of crazy.

When it comes to coaches, I just think about how Jimmy Butler was ripping the way things were done with the Sixers after a game during the Brett Brown era. They would go into an office and watch game film in silence, no one would call anyone else out, then they'd move on and practice.

While that's not Doc Rivers, I do think coaches are responsible for team culture issues. To come out for game 7 and get simply obliterated with both stars playing like massive ass is just inconceivable to me. Losing game 6 was also an indictment on the culture here. At the end of the day, yes, the players are responsible for their own destiny. But the entire team can't be doo doo in two deciding games.

[Iverson Armband]

Embiid had a down series and an all time stinker in game 7. Yet, he still performed more consistently than Tatum, who had 3 of the worst 1st halfs in playoff history, and was getting his **** pushed in by Embiid over and over again. Tatum then got some balls and brought in the 4th quarter of game 6 and had an all time game 7. That's the definition of inconsistent. Embiid just came up small, it's a little different. Embiid's cieling is immensely higher than Tatums. Tatum isn't nearly as gifted as Embiid and will never be in the MVP conversation trully. If Embiid was even 80% of regular season Embiid we would have won this in 5 or 6. He wasn't and that's on him. Embiid's issue is all mental.

Stop.

Embiid was 1-8 in the playoffs against Tatum before this series. What makes you think Embiid’s ceiling is immensely higher than Tatum? Speaking of MVP, Tatum was in the MVP conversation if you followed the regular season. If they won it all, see the league gift him one in the next couple years.

Down 2-3 Vs Bucks last season, Tatum scored 46 pts to level that series up before knocking Bucks out in G7. Dude hit the winning shots against us in G6 and proceeded to drop 50 on us in G7.


When you said Embiid is immensely talented, based on what exactly? Embiid can never replicate anything like What Tatum did. Hell, can he even replicate what Harden did in G1 or G4?

The matter of fact is Tatum is a 1A player whereas Embiid can only be a 1B player unless proven otherwise.

Talent on paper is never a real talent.

I get your upset, but cmon now, dude just won the MVP. He had an all time collapse, but maybe look over what you just wrote. Also realize Tatum has a more talented team, with a running mate who is arguably better than him, while Embiid has to carry this rotten franchise on a daily basis. His coach is ass, his bench is inconsistent, his co-star is missing half the time, and he was injured. Despite all that the team was 5 minutes away from making the ECF. But all of that goes away with one performance. No it doesnt. Embiid will need to do some soul searching, and I'm pretty disgusted with him right now. I also can think objectively, and know that there are a variety of factors that went into this.

Embiid is a big part of why this franchise is rotten. He doesn’t get to blame everyone around him anymore when he turtles up year after year in the playoffs. A real MVP doesn’t do what he did - period. Blaming injuries and the bench is LOSER material. Dude is a good player, but he is 1000% a fraud and not a franchise 1A player, he’s a second banana.

[eyeatoma]

Stop.

Embiid was 1-8 in the playoffs against Tatum before this series. What makes you think Embiid’s ceiling is immensely higher than Tatum? Speaking of MVP, Tatum was in the MVP conversation if you followed the regular season. If they won it all, see the league gift him one in the next couple years.

Down 2-3 Vs Bucks last season, Tatum scored 46 pts to level that series up before knocking Bucks out in G7. Dude hit the winning shots against us in G6 and proceeded to drop 50 on us in G7.


When you said Embiid is immensely talented, based on what exactly? Embiid can never replicate anything like What Tatum did. Hell, can he even replicate what Harden did in G1 or G4?

The matter of fact is Tatum is a 1A player whereas Embiid can only be a 1B player unless proven otherwise.

Talent on paper is never a real talent.

I get your upset, but cmon now, dude just won the MVP. He had an all time collapse, but maybe look over what you just wrote. Also realize Tatum has a more talented team, with a running mate who is arguably better than him, while Embiid has to carry this rotten franchise on a daily basis. His coach is ass, his bench is inconsistent, his co-star is missing half the time, and he was injured. Despite all that the team was 5 minutes away from making the ECF. But all of that goes away with one performance. No it doesnt. Embiid will need to do some soul searching, and I'm pretty disgusted with him right now. I also can think objectively, and know that there are a variety of factors that went into this.

To be fair, Tatum is a bitch for saying he’s one of the best players in the world and I hope Jimmy schools them and knocks them out. Your points are all valid. But again that dude delivered whereas Embiid shrank.. it’s what it is.

Yup agreed.

[eyeatoma]

Stop.

Embiid was 1-8 in the playoffs against Tatum before this series. What makes you think Embiid’s ceiling is immensely higher than Tatum? Speaking of MVP, Tatum was in the MVP conversation if you followed the regular season. If they won it all, see the league gift him one in the next couple years.

Down 2-3 Vs Bucks last season, Tatum scored 46 pts to level that series up before knocking Bucks out in G7. Dude hit the winning shots against us in G6 and proceeded to drop 50 on us in G7.


When you said Embiid is immensely talented, based on what exactly? Embiid can never replicate anything like What Tatum did. Hell, can he even replicate what Harden did in G1 or G4?

The matter of fact is Tatum is a 1A player whereas Embiid can only be a 1B player unless proven otherwise.

Talent on paper is never a real talent.

I get your upset, but cmon now, dude just won the MVP. He had an all time collapse, but maybe look over what you just wrote. Also realize Tatum has a more talented team, with a running mate who is arguably better than him, while Embiid has to carry this rotten franchise on a daily basis. His coach is ass, his bench is inconsistent, his co-star is missing half the time, and he was injured. Despite all that the team was 5 minutes away from making the ECF. But all of that goes away with one performance. No it doesnt. Embiid will need to do some soul searching, and I'm pretty disgusted with him right now. I also can think objectively, and know that there are a variety of factors that went into this.

Embiid is a big part of why this franchise is rotten. He doesn’t get to blame everyone around him anymore when he turtles up year after year in the playoffs. A real MVP doesn’t do what he did - period. Blaming injuries and the bench is LOSER material. Dude is a good player, but he is 1000% a fraud and not a franchise 1A player, he’s a second banana.

I mean, did you read the actual quote. He didn't blame anyone. He said everyone needs to get better this offseason. There is a very clear quote from Rich Hofmann, that doesn't sensationalise what he said.

Read on Twitter

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The media was looking for a hot take. They love to hate Embiid unlike Giannis. Giannis had one of the biggest **** ups in league history, and so did Embiid, but Giannis' team was the favorite to win it all, and then stunk up the joint, yet he gave a cuddly quote about failure that Nike will now market for a billion dollars and he's back to being a do no wrong media darling. Lol, don't tell me you bought the media's crap.

Again not excusing Embiid, he very clearly **** the bed, but lets not be the others and stick with the actual facts here.

[maternal85]

What's with loser nets/raps fans piling on the sixers? Especially the nets fans lol

You'd think the Sixers won a title in the last 30 years, calling the Raptors losers.

[snoopdogg88]

Sure go ahead, fire Doc and hire Nurse or Vogel whatever flavor of the month/won a championship with another team coach you find. Since that is the Philadelphia way. Just find a guy who won elsewhere and pray he’ll do the same here instead of actually trying to identify and find the next great coach.

Even if Morey has the offseason of a lifetime, trades Harris, gets a deeper bench, what difference does it make in the grand scheme of things? We have no assets to truly get creative.

Harden literally can’t jump anymore and he’ll be a year older next year. Embiid will be another year older and still out of shape and getting injured at the worst possible times.

What’s the point?

[GoSixersBro]

Because Embiid is the model for consistency?

Well, Tatum consistently kicks Embiid’s ass, I know that much.

Capped off by a sweet 50-bomb in a game 7 while Joel slowly mopes to another early round exit. Don’t know how you could watch those two this series and say that with a straight face, but whatever Tatum is Celtic so I guess I get it lol.

Embiid had a down series and an all time stinker in game 7. Yet, he still performed more consistently than Tatum, who had 3 of the worst 1st halfs in playoff history, and was getting his **** pushed in by Embiid over and over again. Tatum then got some balls and brought in the 4th quarter of game 6 and had an all time game 7. That's the definition of inconsistent. Embiid just came up small, it's a little different. Embiid's cieling is immensely higher than Tatums. Tatum isn't nearly as gifted as Embiid and will never be in the MVP conversation trully. If Embiid was even 80% of regular season Embiid we would have won this in 5 or 6. He wasn't and that's on him. Embiid's issue is all mental.

Cool. Joel can continue to be in the regular season “MVP” conversation. I’ll take the guy who can give me 50 and step up to the plate when it matters most.

This is how the anti-Jimmy guys on here thought back then as well. They figured he wasn't truly a top 10 guy and was "getting old" (guy was turning 30 in 2019 lol). Give the ball to the guy who can will his team into the next round, never mopes. Holds others accountable. Joel is immensely talented and I'm not crying for at trade today, but he STILL has so much maturing left to do and is pushing 30.

[Bum Adebayo]

You trade Embiid for picks and pieces and rebuild, simple as that. Right now you won't get a first option on offense to pair with Embiid, so makes no sense to keep trying to win with him.

[Mik317]

You trade Embiid for picks and pieces and rebuild, simple as that. Right now you won't get a first option on offense to pair with Embiid, so makes no sense to keep trying to win with him.

who has picks and pieces that are also close enough to contention to want to trade for Biid?

The Heat (Bam and stuff... sure I guess but that team will be constantly in the playoff minimum so the picks won't be great). The Warriors (Poole or Klays terrible contract and Kuminga; again perennial playoff team too). The Suns (Ayton and the corpse of CP3 If you thinkl Biid is soft...just wait for Ayton...and they have no picks)?

As always people seem to forget that there are two sides to a trade... I just don't think the Gobert package is available and it will be our luck that we don't get any good prospects back and all the picks are trash while Biid and his new team goes further than before lol.

I am Mr. Draft Guy too so I'd be down for it..if only so we can talk about new **** but I don't see it