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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#301 » by agiaco » Wed Apr 2, 2025 4:36 pm

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Mik317 wrote:You don't have to rush into that decision right away IMO.

Even if Harper is legit, it does take guards a bit to really truly take off. Having Maxey and McCain as secondary ballhandlers and elite off ball threats is useful. I also think he is big enough to handle guarding some 3s. But regardless, you don't rush to trade Maxey asap in that scenario....even if longterm you will have to make a choice if only for money reasons (IMO I still see McCain as a 6th man who gets a ton of minutes longterm but to each their own)


Fair, I just don't want to "waste" one of the guys because of lack of playing time. In that scenario, you'd have Harper/Maxey/McCain/Grimes and only 96 MPG (assuming no 3-guard lineups, which I'd hope we minimize).

You could have two of them play 28 mpg and the other two play 20 mpg, but it feels like a waste when one of those talents could be traded for a wing, where we have no depth.


Agreed. There's a log jam at guard which needs to be addressed if they are going to draft another guard in the top 6.
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#302 » by mjkvol » Wed Apr 2, 2025 5:53 pm

agiaco wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
Mik317 wrote:You don't have to rush into that decision right away IMO.

Even if Harper is legit, it does take guards a bit to really truly take off. Having Maxey and McCain as secondary ballhandlers and elite off ball threats is useful. I also think he is big enough to handle guarding some 3s. But regardless, you don't rush to trade Maxey asap in that scenario....even if longterm you will have to make a choice if only for money reasons (IMO I still see McCain as a 6th man who gets a ton of minutes longterm but to each their own)


Fair, I just don't want to "waste" one of the guys because of lack of playing time. In that scenario, you'd have Harper/Maxey/McCain/Grimes and only 96 MPG (assuming no 3-guard lineups, which I'd hope we minimize).

You could have two of them play 28 mpg and the other two play 20 mpg, but it feels like a waste when one of those talents could be traded for a wing, where we have no depth.


Agreed. There's a log jam at guard which needs to be addressed if they are going to draft another guard in the top 6.


If you're picking second, you draft Harper and either don't sign Grimes, or if you like Grimes more than McCain, sign him and use McCain in a deal for a wing.
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#303 » by Iverson Armband » Wed Apr 2, 2025 6:27 pm

You trade whoever brings you a stud wing in return. Probably Maxey.
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#304 » by agiaco » Thu Apr 3, 2025 12:22 am

Who are some realistic targets for stud wings to acquire?
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#305 » by eyeatoma » Thu Apr 3, 2025 4:01 am

Iverson Armband wrote:You trade whoever brings you a stud wing in return. Probably Maxey.
I wouldn't trade Maxey until I know that Harper is better than him. That might be 3 years from now. Grimes is falling back to earth and MCCain is still undersized, while Maxey improved a ton defensively.

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Post#306 » by 76ciology » Thu Apr 3, 2025 5:06 am

With how the game is played today, it’s unlikely that a team would trade a star wing for a guard. Like I’ve been saying for years, guards of Maxey’s caliber aren’t hard to find.

At our draft position alone, you have 3 guards, Kasparas, Tre Johnson, and Fears, who could potentially be better than him.

I’m not downplaying Maxey’s value, but let’s look at it from the other side. Isn’t he worth a top 5-7 pick? And in that range, you can likely find a player of similar value but with a higher floor with Maxey. The same applies to Grimes or McCain.

Now, if you can get a top 5-7 pick or a top 10 pick for each of Grimes, Maxey, and McCain, wouldn’t that be enough to take a real shot at landing a franchise player to replace Embiid? Or atleast landing another Franz Wagner? Wasn’t he drafted with the 8th overall pick?

And with a top 7-10 pick in this draft you can get Kon Kneuppel, Derik Queen (if you view him as a PF), Collin Boyles, Egor Demin or even Noa Essengue.
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#307 » by M2J » Thu Apr 3, 2025 5:25 am

You pick the best available and figure out the rest later. Plus Grimes can play the 3 and George or oubre the 4. Yabu is best as a 5.
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#308 » by eyeatoma » Thu Apr 3, 2025 5:28 am

76ciology wrote:With how the game is played today, it’s unlikely that a team would trade a star wing for a guard. Like I’ve been saying for years, guards of Maxey’s caliber aren’t hard to find.

At our draft position alone, you have 3 guards, Kasparas, Tre Johnson, and Fears, who could potentially be better than him.

I’m not downplaying Maxey’s value, but let’s look at it from the other side. Isn’t he worth a top 5-7 pick? And in that range, you can likely find a player of similar value but with a higher floor with Maxey. The same applies to Grimes or McCain.

Now, if you can get a top 5-7 pick or a top 10 pick for each of Grimes, Maxey, and McCain, wouldn’t that be enough to take a real shot at landing a franchise player to replace Embiid? Or atleast landing another Franz Wagner? Wasn’t he drafted with the 8th overall pick?

And with a top 7-10 pick in this draft you can get Kon Kneuppel, Derik Queen (if you view him as a PF), Collin Boyles, Egor Demin or even Noa Essengue.
Bro yes gaurds like Maxey are hard to find. We didn't have someone like him since AI.

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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#309 » by LordCovington33 » Thu Apr 3, 2025 5:48 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:You trade whoever brings you a stud wing in return. Probably Maxey.
I wouldn't trade Maxey until I know that Harper is better than him. That might be 3 years from now. Grimes is falling back to earth and MCCain is still undersized, while Maxey improved a ton defensively.

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Unless you get Grimes on a cheap deal, he would have to go. He has looked great, mainly because he has been given the keys to get his numbers up. Not really sure why we have been showcasing him for others
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#310 » by MVP1992 » Thu Apr 3, 2025 6:43 am

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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#311 » by 76ciology » Thu Apr 3, 2025 8:05 am

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76ciology wrote:With how the game is played today, it’s unlikely that a team would trade a star wing for a guard. Like I’ve been saying for years, guards of Maxey’s caliber aren’t hard to find.

At our draft position alone, you have 3 guards, Kasparas, Tre Johnson, and Fears, who could potentially be better than him.

I’m not downplaying Maxey’s value, but let’s look at it from the other side. Isn’t he worth a top 5-7 pick? And in that range, you can likely find a player of similar value but with a higher floor with Maxey. The same applies to Grimes or McCain.

Now, if you can get a top 5-7 pick or a top 10 pick for each of Grimes, Maxey, and McCain, wouldn’t that be enough to take a real shot at landing a franchise player to replace Embiid? Or atleast landing another Franz Wagner? Wasn’t he drafted with the 8th overall pick?

And with a top 7-10 pick in this draft you can get Kon Kneuppel, Derik Queen (if you view him as a PF), Collin Boyles, Egor Demin or even Noa Essengue.
Bro yes gaurds like Maxey are hard to find. We didn't have someone like him since AI.

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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#312 » by Iscull » Thu Apr 3, 2025 12:37 pm

M2J wrote:You pick the best available and figure out the rest later. Plus Grimes can play the 3 and George or oubre the 4. Yabu is best as a 5.


I think PG is legit gone this off-season.

With that in mind, we should really shoot for BPA. That said, I'd argue PF/C may be the biggest need given Embiid's history...

Next Years Lineup:

Maxey / McCain / Butler
Grimes / Walker
Oubre / Edwards / Council
Yabu / FA or Draft Pick
Embiid / Bona

Depending on what we have to give away or take back in return for PG's contract, I like this lineup. If Embiid ends up not play again, at least we have a young talented roster for a rebuild of sorts. Getting a younger center like Queen could be a really interesting fit...
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#313 » by M2J » Thu Apr 3, 2025 2:57 pm

Iscull wrote:
M2J wrote:You pick the best available and figure out the rest later. Plus Grimes can play the 3 and George or oubre the 4. Yabu is best as a 5.


I think PG is legit gone this off-season.

With that in mind, we should really shoot for BPA. That said, I'd argue PF/C may be the biggest need given Embiid's history...

Next Years Lineup:

Maxey / McCain / Butler
Grimes / Walker
Oubre / Edwards / Council
Yabu / FA or Draft Pick
Embiid / Bona

Depending on what we have to give away or take back in return for PG's contract, I like this lineup. If Embiid ends up not play again, at least we have a young talented roster for a rebuild of sorts. Getting a younger center like Queen could be a really interesting fit...


They may be wise to wait until the deadline for that, but if they can do it.... Great
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#314 » by Arsenal » Thu Apr 3, 2025 11:31 pm

Adem Bona smack talking Giannis and ruining the tank! Damn you again Glenn!!!
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#315 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Apr 3, 2025 11:35 pm

Bros what's happening
2025-2026 Philadelphia 76ers:

Maxey/McCain/Lowry
Edgecombe/Grimes/Gordon
George/Oubre/Edwards
Barlow/Watford/Walker
Embiid/Bona/Drummond/Broome
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#316 » by Iverson Armband » Fri Apr 4, 2025 12:20 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:You trade whoever brings you a stud wing in return. Probably Maxey.
I wouldn't trade Maxey until I know that Harper is better than him. That might be 3 years from now. Grimes is falling back to earth and MCCain is still undersized, while Maxey improved a ton defensively.

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You’re not getting anything worthwhile back for the other guys most likely.
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#317 » by eyeatoma » Fri Apr 4, 2025 12:28 am

Iverson Armband wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:You trade whoever brings you a stud wing in return. Probably Maxey.
I wouldn't trade Maxey until I know that Harper is better than him. That might be 3 years from now. Grimes is falling back to earth and MCCain is still undersized, while Maxey improved a ton defensively.

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You’re not getting anything worthwhile back for the other guys most likely.
Then you bite that bullet. Maxey is better than both of them. He's also a character guy.

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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#318 » by Sixersftw » Fri Apr 4, 2025 12:40 am

wtf are we doing?
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#319 » by Mik317 » Fri Apr 4, 2025 12:51 am

Morey might be a goat drafter and eye for young talent....

and yet he lusts for old washed hasbeens
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Re: Season Game Thread 

Post#320 » by Stanford » Fri Apr 4, 2025 12:55 am

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