2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[Eyeamok]

10 times out of 10, no. Embiid has played 1 season of NCAA basketball and draws red flags from a medical stand point. If you were somehow able to guarantee that Embiid were to be the D-12/Olajuwon, then I would say yes. Until then, no. IMO, if you run a successful franchise you would never trade a key piece for an unknown commodity.

Well thank god you don't run the sixers

And the same for you. Listen, neither of us are NBA scouts so we can't say that one or the other is right. It is mere opinion. I'm not saying MCW is going to be our Magic Johnson. I am just saying he is a key piece to our future and it isn't worth gambling away for a HUGE risk. Bigs with back problems tend to have short careers, (Bynum/Oden) are just two prime examples.

You've taken a lot of flack here Iscull as a 76ers fan I can understand your trepidation.
Let me leave a few name for you.

Roy Hinson, Jeff Ruland, Shawn Bradly, Elton Brand. And as you said yourself the immortal Andrew Bynum!!

[Eyeamok]

Double post.

[Iscull]

So you wouldn't trade mcw for Embiid straight up?

10 times out of 10, no. Embiid has played 1 season of NCAA basketball and draws red flags from a medical stand point. If you were somehow able to guarantee that Embiid were to be the D-12/Olajuwon, then I would say yes. Until then, no. IMO, if you run a successful franchise you would never trade a key piece for an unknown commodity.

The real funny thing is that everyone here is an armchair GM for a reason. If you know so much better, why aren't you working for a team right now?

[Iscull]

Well thank god you don't run the sixers

And the same for you. Listen, neither of us are NBA scouts so we can't say that one or the other is right. It is mere opinion. I'm not saying MCW is going to be our Magic Johnson. I am just saying he is a key piece to our future and it isn't worth gambling away for a HUGE risk. Bigs with back problems tend to have short careers, (Bynum/Oden) are just two prime examples.

You've taken a lot of flack here Iscull as a 76ers fan I can understand your trepidation.
Let me leave a few name for you.

Roy Hinson, Jeff Ruland, Shawn Bradly, Elton Brand. And as you said yourself the immortal Andrew Bynum!!

Thanks man, I appreciate the help. Some people are content with risking everything, but I'm not a gambling man, so I err on the side of caution.

[sixers23]

10 times out of 10, no. Embiid has played 1 season of NCAA basketball and draws red flags from a medical stand point. If you were somehow able to guarantee that Embiid were to be the D-12/Olajuwon, then I would say yes. Until then, no. IMO, if you run a successful franchise you would never trade a key piece for an unknown commodity.

Well thank god you don't run the sixers

And the same for you. Listen, neither of us are NBA scouts so we can't say that one or the other is right. It is mere opinion. I'm not saying MCW is going to be our Magic Johnson. I am just saying he is a key piece to our future and it isn't worth gambling away for a HUGE risk. Bigs with back problems tend to have short careers, (Bynum/Oden) are just two prime examples.

Neither Bynum or Oden had back issues. Try again

[sixers23]

10 times out of 10, no. Embiid has played 1 season of NCAA basketball and draws red flags from a medical stand point. If you were somehow able to guarantee that Embiid were to be the D-12/Olajuwon, then I would say yes. Until then, no. IMO, if you run a successful franchise you would never trade a key piece for an unknown commodity.

The real funny thing is that everyone here is an armchair GM for a reason. If you know so much better, why aren't you working for a team right now?

This makes no sense. No gm would trade Embiid for mcw so I don't see how agreeing with that means we me we better

[Eyeamok]

And the same for you. Listen, neither of us are NBA scouts so we can't say that one or the other is right. It is mere opinion. I'm not saying MCW is going to be our Magic Johnson. I am just saying he is a key piece to our future and it isn't worth gambling away for a HUGE risk. Bigs with back problems tend to have short careers, (Bynum/Oden) are just two prime examples.

You've taken a lot of flack here Iscull as a 76ers fan I can understand your trepidation.
Let me leave a few name for you.

Roy Hinson, Jeff Ruland, Shawn Bradly, Elton Brand. And as you said yourself the immortal Andrew Bynum!!

Thanks man, I appreciate the help. Some people are content with risking everything, but I'm not a gambling man, so I err on the side of caution.

No problem man. We are just one big hap.... family here.

[sixers23]

Talented bigs are a hot commodity because they are so hard to find. The bust rate is really high, making the Embiid pick that much riskier. With that said, I wouldn't oppose selecting him with the 3rd overall pick. IMO, he is the best pick in the draft. While I would draft him, I would never trade the rookie of the year for a unknown commodity. It just doesn't make sense to me. I like the go big or go home attitude, but that isn't how you run a franchise. I'm all for taking risks in getting better, but it just doesn't seem worth losing MCW right now.

I think the best course of action in this draft is to take BPA (Outside of a PG) in the first round and then select role players in the 2nd. We already have a young nucleus with good chemistry. There is no need to break that up. Whoever we draft at 3 and 10 will be great additions to that.

this guy would of turned down tyreke evans for john wall trade

No need to talk in third person, I'm right here. Also, hindsight is always 20x20.

I wouldn't trade Chris Paul for Andrea Bargnani. Or Brandon Roy for Greg Oden. Would you? You guys act like bigs with the first overall pick always produce. In the past 8 years 2/5 bigs chosen 1st overall went on to produce to their expectations (Davis and Griffen), while 3/5 busted. (Bennet, Oden, Bargnani).

Every player and pick is different comparing mcw to Paul or Bennett to Embiid or wiggins is silly

[Iscull]

this guy would of turned down tyreke evans for john wall trade

No need to talk in third person, I'm right here. Also, hindsight is always 20x20.

I wouldn't trade Chris Paul for Andrea Bargnani. Or Brandon Roy for Greg Oden. Would you? You guys act like bigs with the first overall pick always produce. In the past 8 years 2/5 bigs chosen 1st overall went on to produce to their expectations (Davis and Griffen), while 3/5 busted. (Bennet, Oden, Bargnani).

Every player and pick is different comparing mcw to Paul or Bennett to Embiid or wiggins is silly

I'm not saying MCW is Chris Paul. I was refuting to the point of trading a rookie of the year for a first overall pick that was a big man the next year. If I was in those positions, I wouldn't make that trade.

[ProcessDoctor]

@ryenarussillo: Talked to two GM's today that couldn't believe how out of shape Vonleh was at workouts. They were really annoyed.

Please fall to #7 or #8! Thad + #10 gets the job done. About a month ago, people were dreaming about leaving draft day with Wiggins and Vonleh. It doesn't look impossible! However, this does seem like some sort of leak from someone who wants him later in the draft pecking order.

[Iscull]

Well thank god you don't run the sixers

And the same for you. Listen, neither of us are NBA scouts so we can't say that one or the other is right. It is mere opinion. I'm not saying MCW is going to be our Magic Johnson. I am just saying he is a key piece to our future and it isn't worth gambling away for a HUGE risk. Bigs with back problems tend to have short careers, (Bynum/Oden) are just two prime examples.

Neither Bynum or Oden had back issues. Try again

Listen man we can argue all day, I meant medical red flags. My main point is that it isn't worth trading a proven young player who has developed good chemistry with the team away for an unproven center with back problems. Especially if we have the means get that player without trading MCW. I don't even really get the point in arguing over something that will never happen.

[Negrodamus]

Well thank god you don't run the sixers

And the same for you. Listen, neither of us are NBA scouts so we can't say that one or the other is right. It is mere opinion. I'm not saying MCW is going to be our Magic Johnson. I am just saying he is a key piece to our future and it isn't worth gambling away for a HUGE risk. Bigs with back problems tend to have short careers, (Bynum/Oden) are just two prime examples.

Neither Bynum or Oden had back issues. Try again

Emeka Okafor. Not a short career, but certainly not 2nd overall pick material. Had a pretty similar freshman year to Embiid too.

[Iscull]

And the same for you. Listen, neither of us are NBA scouts so we can't say that one or the other is right. It is mere opinion. I'm not saying MCW is going to be our Magic Johnson. I am just saying he is a key piece to our future and it isn't worth gambling away for a HUGE risk. Bigs with back problems tend to have short careers, (Bynum/Oden) are just two prime examples.

Neither Bynum or Oden had back issues. Try again

Emeka Okafor. Not a short career, but certainly not 2nd overall pick material. Had a pretty similar freshman year to Embiid too.

Agreed. It just seems a lot to gamble on a guy who's played basketball for 3-4 years and only 1 season of "real" basketball where he only played roughly 25 mpg.

[Negrodamus]

Neither Bynum or Oden had back issues. Try again

Emeka Okafor. Not a short career, but certainly not 2nd overall pick material. Had a pretty similar freshman year to Embiid too.

Agreed. It just seems a lot to gamble on a guy who's played basketball for 3-4 years and only 1 season of "real" basketball where he only played roughly 25 mpg.

Yea, that said, I would trade MCW for Embiid. Embiid looks, to me, like he could become a Tim Duncan type player. I can see why people are afraid of him with his back injury, but his talent is through the roof. Also, if he needs more time to rehab, that's a luxury that our team has right now.

[sixers23]

Saying you wouldn't trade mcw for 1 is pretty close to saying you wouldn't of done the jrue trade

[Iscull]

Saying you wouldn't trade mcw for 1 is pretty close to saying you wouldn't of done the jrue trade

Not at all. At the time, we were blowing up our roster. Also, we got Noel + a 1st round pick (Which was more than likely going to be a top 15 in a good draft). If you told me we were trading MCW for Embiid and the 10th overall pick I would do that trade 10 times out of 10.

Also, we were blowing up the roster at the time. Our roster is already blown up and MCW looks to progress to be a more dominant player than Jrue.

Jrue's rookie stat line: 8/3/2
MCW's rookie stat line: 16/6/6

[Negrodamus]

Saying you wouldn't trade mcw for 1 is pretty close to saying you wouldn't of done the jrue trade

*wouldn't have done.

But I agree to an extent. And I don't think anyone would do that trade (#1 for MCW).

[Iscull]

Emeka Okafor. Not a short career, but certainly not 2nd overall pick material. Had a pretty similar freshman year to Embiid too.

Agreed. It just seems a lot to gamble on a guy who's played basketball for 3-4 years and only 1 season of "real" basketball where he only played roughly 25 mpg.

Yea, that said, I would trade MCW for Embiid. Embiid looks, to me, like he could become a Tim Duncan type player. I can see why people are afraid of him with his back injury, but his talent is through the roof. Also, if he needs more time to rehab, that's a luxury that our team has right now.

Yeah, I actually hope Embiid is the one to fall to us at 3. I think him paired with Noel would be an absolute game changer for us. I also think we can get a swingman at 10 to compliment MCW.

[Mr Sixer]

Agreed. It just seems a lot to gamble on a guy who's played basketball for 3-4 years and only 1 season of "real" basketball where he only played roughly 25 mpg.

Yea, that said, I would trade MCW for Embiid. Embiid looks, to me, like he could become a Tim Duncan type player. I can see why people are afraid of him with his back injury, but his talent is through the roof. Also, if he needs more time to rehab, that's a luxury that our team has right now.

Yeah, I actually hope Embiid is the one to fall to us at 3. I think him paired with Noel would be an absolute game changer for us. I also think we can get a swingman at 10 to compliment MCW.

How are you going to say that you don't like unknown commodities despite their potential upside but then say this? According to your original logic, I would think that you would want to draft for Jabari or Wiggins because they are much more sure things without injured backs. Doesn't seem very consistent to me.

[freshie2]

And the same for you. Listen, neither of us are NBA scouts so we can't say that one or the other is right. It is mere opinion. I'm not saying MCW is going to be our Magic Johnson. I am just saying he is a key piece to our future and it isn't worth gambling away for a HUGE risk. Bigs with back problems tend to have short careers, (Bynum/Oden) are just two prime examples.

Neither Bynum or Oden had back issues. Try again

Emeka Okafor. Not a short career, but certainly not 2nd overall pick material. Had a pretty similar freshman year to Embiid too.

Okafor and Embiid have nothing in common other than being tall...completely different games and skill set.

Folks, if Embiid is there, you take him. If it only costs MCW and the 3, MCW is collateral damage worth the end gain.

His injury is really pretty benign.