2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[Iscull]

Yea, that said, I would trade MCW for Embiid. Embiid looks, to me, like he could become a Tim Duncan type player. I can see why people are afraid of him with his back injury, but his talent is through the roof. Also, if he needs more time to rehab, that's a luxury that our team has right now.

Yeah, I actually hope Embiid is the one to fall to us at 3. I think him paired with Noel would be an absolute game changer for us. I also think we can get a swingman at 10 to compliment MCW.

How are you going to say that you don't like unknown commodities despite their potential upside but then say this? According to your original logic, I would think that you would want to draft for Jabari or Wiggins because they are much more sure things without injured backs. Doesn't seem very consistent to me.

What has changed in my argument? Each draft pick represents an unknown commodity. Essentially your risking a player versus a draft pick. I'm saying I would use a draft pick, but I wouldn't use a player that has already proven himself. I really don't see the inconsistency.

[Negrodamus]

Neither Bynum or Oden had back issues. Try again

Emeka Okafor. Not a short career, but certainly not 2nd overall pick material. Had a pretty similar freshman year to Embiid too.

Okafor and Embiid have nothing in common other than being tall...completely different games and skill set.

Folks, if Embiid is there, you take him. If it only costs MCW and the 3, MCW is collateral damage worth the end gain.

His injury is really pretty benign.

Umm, okay? I didn't say they played the same game. Okafor had something like 7 ppg, 9 rpg, and 4 bpg as a freshman in college. Similar stats, except Okafor has more blocks and Embiid was a better scorer.

Embiid has a higher ceiling, but at the time, everyone thought Okafor was destined for greatness after his junior year from UConn. So what we know now, we obviously didn't back then. He was the 2nd overall pick for a reason. While his back injury didn't really amount to much, you don't want to be the team that grabs a high prospect that is plagued with back issues for the rest of his career.

Think of how crazy this fan base will be if he's incapable of playing full seasons because of recurring back issues? Now think of that if Wiggins, Parker, or Exum become house hold names?

At 3, if Embiid is there, you have to take him. At #1, you have you really think it over. Cavs have already said they are weary of back issues. Whether that's a smokescreen or not remains to be seen.

[Mr Sixer]

Yeah, I actually hope Embiid is the one to fall to us at 3. I think him paired with Noel would be an absolute game changer for us. I also think we can get a swingman at 10 to compliment MCW.

How are you going to say that you don't like unknown commodities despite their potential upside but then say this? According to your original logic, I would think that you would want to draft for Jabari or Wiggins because they are much more sure things without injured backs. Doesn't seem very consistent to me.

What has changed in my argument? Each draft pick represents an unknown commodity. Essentially your risking a player versus a draft pick. I'm saying I would use a draft pick, but I wouldn't use a player that has already proven himself. I really don't see the inconsistency.

The inconsistency to me is that if you don't want to take risks and want to make safe choices, then Embiid is not the person I would think think you would want to pick. Sure, Jabari and Wiggins aren't completely safe picks, but looking at it probability-wise, they have a much better chance of panning out than Embiid does (Jabari much more so than Wiggins). Even MCW has some risk: missed many games during the season and lost a lot of games last season, TO prone, no jumpshot, etc... Nothing is proven, and you don't get high reward without taking on risk, as we did when we traded Jrue away.

Obviously Jabari is not in the league yet and MCW is, but I think its a pretty black and white way of looking at it saying x player is in the league so he is a proven commodity but x other player is in the draft so he's completely unknown. There's different degrees of risk in every given situation and taking Embiid over a much more safe pick like Jabari seems to me to go against the train of thought you followed when you said you wouldn't trade MCW for Embiid

[Johnny Broad-Street]

Sorry guys I haven't been following THAT closely. Is the debate whether or not trading MCW straight up for the opportunity to grab embiid is worth it?

[Iscull]

How are you going to say that you don't like unknown commodities despite their potential upside but then say this? According to your original logic, I would think that you would want to draft for Jabari or Wiggins because they are much more sure things without injured backs. Doesn't seem very consistent to me.

What has changed in my argument? Each draft pick represents an unknown commodity. Essentially your risking a player versus a draft pick. I'm saying I would use a draft pick, but I wouldn't use a player that has already proven himself. I really don't see the inconsistency.

The inconsistency to me is that if you don't want to take risks and want to make safe choices, then Embiid is not the person I would think think you would want to pick. Sure, Jabari and Wiggins aren't completely safe picks, but looking at it probability-wise, they have a much better chance of panning out than Embiid does (Jabari much more so than Wiggins). Even MCW has some risk: missed many games during the season and lost a lot of games last season, TO prone, no jumpshot, etc... Nothing is proven, and you don't get high reward without taking on risk, as we did when we traded Jrue away.

Obviously Jabari is not in the league yet and MCW is, but I think its a pretty black and white way of looking at it saying x player is in the league so he is a proven commodity but x other player is in the draft so he's completely unknown. There's different degrees of risk in every given situation and taking Embiid over a much more safe pick like Jabari seems to me to go against the train of thought you followed when you said you wouldn't trade MCW for Embiid

I'm in the interest of taking safer choices. For instance, taking Embiid through the draft is safer than trading for him. This is the main point I have argued. We have seen what MCW can do when put up against NBA level competition over the course of 1 year and it earned him ROY honors. We have not seen Embiid do that (Yet). No matter who we take with the 3rd pick overall, there is going to be some mystery/risk; therefore, differentiating the level of risk between Wiggins and Embiid is pointless. I agree that Parker seems like the safest choice in the draft; however, I believe the reward far outweighs the risk in drafting Embiid or Parker.

[Iscull]

Sorry guys I haven't been following THAT closely. Is the debate whether or not trading MCW straight up for the opportunity to grab embiid is worth it?

Yes. My argument is that I would rather take the chance that Embiid would fall to 3. The risk of losing MCW for someone who has a high bust potential far outweighs the reward in my opinion.

[sixers23]

Sorry guys I haven't been following THAT closely. Is the debate whether or not trading MCW straight up for the opportunity to grab embiid is worth it?

Yes. My argument is that I would rather take the chance that Embiid would fall to 3. The risk of losing MCW for someone who has a high bust potential far outweighs the reward in my opinion.

so lets say it was wiggins or parker not embiid

[Iscull]

Sorry guys I haven't been following THAT closely. Is the debate whether or not trading MCW straight up for the opportunity to grab embiid is worth it?

Yes. My argument is that I would rather take the chance that Embiid would fall to 3. The risk of losing MCW for someone who has a high bust potential far outweighs the reward in my opinion.

so lets say it was wiggins or parker not embiid

The risk is reduced. Wiggins and Parker do not have injury concerns and they are not bigs, so the bust rate isn't as high. I think there is a better chance that I pull the trigger on them than Embiid. I would go with yes for now.

[76ers3]

Good point guards are a dime a dozen nowadays, but skilled, long, athletic, 6'6 point guards aren't.

[SJSF]

Every pick is a gamble. None of these kids are even a proven college player more then 1year. All we are doing is prospecting and guessing.

[SJSF]

Yes. My argument is that I would rather take the chance that Embiid would fall to 3. The risk of losing MCW for someone who has a high bust potential far outweighs the reward in my opinion.

so lets say it was wiggins or parker not embiid

The risk is reduced. Wiggins and Parker do not have injury concerns and they are not bigs, so the bust rate isn't as high. I think there is a better chance that I pull the trigger on them than Embiid. I would go with yes for now.

This same discussion came up with Evan Turner. It's safer to go small then go big. And we drafted Turner over Cousins. So this conversion doesn't hold water. It's a gamble no matter what.

[Iscull]

so lets say it was wiggins or parker not embiid

The risk is reduced. Wiggins and Parker do not have injury concerns and they are not bigs, so the bust rate isn't as high. I think there is a better chance that I pull the trigger on them than Embiid. I would go with yes for now.

This same discussion came up with Evan Turner. It's safer to go small then go big. And we drafted Turner over Cousins. So this conversion doesn't hold water. It's a gamble no matter what.

Maturity is different than injuries. I don't see the connection.

[76ers3]

People people please acting like drafting Evan Turner was such a terrible move at the time. National Player of the Year, 20-9-6, 30 PER coming out. Hindsight is 20-20.

[Mik317]

Here is my take on trading up.

If you feel like one guy is better than the rest, you go get him...but within reason. If the Cavs would take 3 and thad and some second rounders (probably all of them), then cool (BTW I don't think the Cavs have any incentive to do that as even if they think Thad is a swell guy/player...is he that much of a get to move down and potentially miss out on your guy?). I'm not cool with throwing in 10 as personally, I don't think the gap between the 3 is that big and in the end the best guy will come from the situation he lands in...and we need that extra player.

HOWEVER, if Hinkie feels like one of the top 3 is that DUDE, then **** it go get him and worry about it later.

[CoreyGallagher]

Julius Randle is going to need foot surgery after the draft and will be out 2 months, per Woj... He may fall to us at 10 after all.

[LloydFree]

Julius Randle is going to need foot surgery after the draft and will be out 2 months, per Woj... He may fall to us at 10 after all.

Yay. A "tweener" Power Forward with foot problems. What a steal.

[BobThornton]

“@WojYahooNBA: Yahoo Sources: Kentucky forward Julius Randle will likely need foot surgery after NBA Draft, miss two months. http://yhoo.it/1hQmOyo”

Fall to 10?


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[Embiid P]

“@WojYahooNBA: Yahoo Sources: Kentucky forward Julius Randle will likely need foot surgery after NBA Draft, miss two months. http://yhoo.it/1hQmOyo”

Fall to 10?


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That might just give Hinkie more incentive to trade up. I don't think that Randle is a guy that he's too high on even at 10.

[LloydFree]

“@WojYahooNBA: Yahoo Sources: Kentucky forward Julius Randle will likely need foot surgery after NBA Draft, miss two months. http://yhoo.it/1hQmOyo”

Fall to 10?


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That might just give Hinkie more incentive to trade up. I don't think that Randle is a guy that he's too high on even at 10.

This also forces one less top player from falling to #8. Gotta go up to #7 to get a good player. Aaron Gordon's not falling to 10 now.

[Embiid P]

“@WojYahooNBA: Yahoo Sources: Kentucky forward Julius Randle will likely need foot surgery after NBA Draft, miss two months. http://yhoo.it/1hQmOyo”

Fall to 10?


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That might just give Hinkie more incentive to trade up. I don't think that Randle is a guy that he's too high on even at 10.

This also forces one less top player from falling to #8. Gotta go up to #7 to get a good player. Aaron Gordon's not falling to 10 now.

Exactly. This doesn't help us at all if we stay at 10.