2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

Negrodamus · Post #3161 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:17 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
"Wilfried"

If Cleveland don't select Wiggins (I expect them to take Embiid if he's cleared by the medical staff), I think he falls in our lap.

If Cleveland doesn't select Wiggins.....

While we're at it.... *Greek.

Iscull · Post #3162 » by **Iscull** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:19 pm

Wilfried wrote:
snoopdogg88 wrote:
SJSF wrote:Clev is drafting Embiid. Then they wont have to keep Varajeo or Hawes Maybe they sign Hawes for 5-6m. Draft Embiid and then don't pick up the 9m option on side show bob.

Milwaukee is selecting Wiggins.

We are drafting Parker

seems like the most likely scenario. i'll continue to hold out hope that Milwaukee goes for Parker, but i'm not counting on it

Milwaukee already has the Greak Freak as their future SF.
Parker makes more sense to them, especially with defensive minded centers like Henson and Sanders on the team.

If Cleveland don't select Wiggins (I expect them to take Embiid if he's cleared by the medical staff), I think he falls in our lap.

In terms of fit, I think Parker's their best option. He gives them a legit offensive threat.

ProcessDoctor · Post #3163 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:32 pm

Does anyone think Marcus Smart may be a Hinkie target? I know his fit next to MCW isn't perfect, but apparently his advanced stats are top notch, and has tons of physical tools and potential on both ends. Plus, we haven't heard much about him regarding sixers interest, which may be another sign. Thoughts?

Iscull · Post #3164 » by **Iscull** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:41 pm

sixers238 wrote:Does anyone think Marcus Smart may be a Hinkie target? I know his fit next to MCW isn't perfect, but apparently his advanced stats are top notch, and has tons of physical tools and potential on both ends. Plus, we haven't heard much about him regarding sixers interest, which may be another sign. Thoughts?

In last year's draft, Hinkie only drafted players who averaged over 2 steals per game with good length. Smart fits that description averaging 2.9 spg with a 6'9" wingspan. I think he would progress to be a great fit with MCW; however, we would need to trade up from the 10th to select him.

joefrizzle · Post #3165 » by **joefrizzle** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:46 pm

Iscull wrote:
sixers238 wrote:Does anyone think Marcus Smart may be a Hinkie target? I know his fit next to MCW isn't perfect, but apparently his advanced stats are top notch, and has tons of physical tools and potential on both ends. Plus, we haven't heard much about him regarding sixers interest, which may be another sign. Thoughts?

In last year's draft, Hinkie only drafted players who averaged over 2 steals per game with good length. Smart fits that description averaging 2.9 spg with a 6'9" wingspan. I think he would progress to be a great fit with MCW; however, we would need to trade up from the 10th to select him.

I love Smart, but personally, I think Stauskas is a much better fit with MCW. If the sixers move up from 10, hopefully its for a PF

Iscull · Post #3166 » by **Iscull** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:58 pm

joefrizzle wrote:
Iscull wrote:
sixers238 wrote:Does anyone think Marcus Smart may be a Hinkie target? I know his fit next to MCW isn't perfect, but apparently his advanced stats are top notch, and has tons of physical tools and potential on both ends. Plus, we haven't heard much about him regarding sixers interest, which may be another sign. Thoughts?

In last year's draft, Hinkie only drafted players who averaged over 2 steals per game with good length. Smart fits that description averaging 2.9 spg with a 6'9" wingspan. I think he would progress to be a great fit with MCW; however, we would need to trade up from the 10th to select him.

I love Smart, but personally, I think Stauskas is a much better fit with MCW. If the sixers move up from 10, hopefully its for a PF

I'm guessing due to Stauskas' superior perimeter shooting ability? To me, Smart more than compensates for his shooting ability with his NBA ready size, playmaking, rebounding, attitude, and defense. While Stauskas is an elite shooter, he doesn't really bring much else to the table. Smart is an all-around player, Stauskas seems pretty one-dimensional.

Arsenal · Post #3167 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:11 pm

Iscull wrote:
joefrizzle wrote:
Iscull wrote:
In last year's draft, Hinkie only drafted players who averaged over 2 steals per game with good length. Smart fits that description averaging 2.9 spg with a 6'9" wingspan. I think he would progress to be a great fit with MCW; however, we would need to trade up from the 10th to select him.

I love Smart, but personally, I think Stauskas is a much better fit with MCW. If the sixers move up from 10, hopefully its for a PF

I'm guessing due to Stauskas' superior perimeter shooting ability? To me, Smart more than compensates for his shooting ability with his NBA ready size, playmaking, rebounding, attitude, and defense. While Stauskas is an elite shooter, he doesn't really bring much else to the table. Smart is an all-around player, Stauskas seems pretty one-dimensional.

Yep. Marcus Smart looks like a prototype Hinkie target while Stauskas does not.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #3168 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:14 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
"Wilfried"

If Cleveland don't select Wiggins (I expect them to take Embiid if he's cleared by the medical staff), I think he falls in our lap.

If Cleveland doesn't select Wiggins.....

Explosion this don't make any sense to me. And I suspect it don't make any sense to Cleveland too!!!

Grammar police in full force, coming to knock down your door.

joefrizzle · Post #3169 » by **joefrizzle** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:49 pm

Iscull wrote:
joefrizzle wrote:
Iscull wrote:
In last year's draft, Hinkie only drafted players who averaged over 2 steals per game with good length. Smart fits that description averaging 2.9 spg with a 6'9" wingspan. I think he would progress to be a great fit with MCW; however, we would need to trade up from the 10th to select him.

I love Smart, but personally, I think Stauskas is a much better fit with MCW. If the sixers move up from 10, hopefully its for a PF

I'm guessing due to Stauskas' superior perimeter shooting ability? To me, Smart more than compensates for his shooting ability with his NBA ready size, playmaking, rebounding, attitude, and defense. While Stauskas is an elite shooter, he doesn't really bring much else to the table. Smart is an all-around player, Stauskas seems pretty one-dimensional.

Yes mainly because of his shooting ability, but he can take it to the rim a little bit as well. I love Smart, but whoever we put next to MCW I feel has to be able to shoot

Iscull · Post #3170 » by **Iscull** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:14 pm

joefrizzle wrote:
Iscull wrote:
joefrizzle wrote:I love Smart, but personally, I think Stauskas is a much better fit with MCW. If the sixers move up from 10, hopefully its for a PF

I'm guessing due to Stauskas' superior perimeter shooting ability? To me, Smart more than compensates for his shooting ability with his NBA ready size, playmaking, rebounding, attitude, and defense. While Stauskas is an elite shooter, he doesn't really bring much else to the table. Smart is an all-around player, Stauskas seems pretty one-dimensional.

Yes mainly because of his shooting ability, but he can take it to the rim a little bit as well. I love Smart, but whoever we put next to MCW I feel has to be able to shoot

I wouldn't necessarily say our 2 has to be a legit 3 pt shooter. If we end up drafting Parker at 3, I could definitely still see Smart as being a great fit. Essentially, as long as we add someone who can help with spacing at the 3, I think it would work.

joefrizzle · Post #3171 » by **joefrizzle** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:23 pm

Iscull wrote:
joefrizzle wrote:
Iscull wrote:
I'm guessing due to Stauskas' superior perimeter shooting ability? To me, Smart more than compensates for his shooting ability with his NBA ready size, playmaking, rebounding, attitude, and defense. While Stauskas is an elite shooter, he doesn't really bring much else to the table. Smart is an all-around player, Stauskas seems pretty one-dimensional.

Yes mainly because of his shooting ability, but he can take it to the rim a little bit as well. I love Smart, but whoever we put next to MCW I feel has to be able to shoot

I wouldn't necessarily say our 2 has to be a legit 3 pt shooter. If we end up drafting Parker at 3, I could definitely still see Smart as being a great fit. Essentially, as long as we add someone who can help with spacing at the 3, I think it would work.

Good point, keep in mind, I really like Staiskas though, so I am a little bias. I would rather take Sauskas at 10 then trading Thad and Stauskas for Smart. I think overall Smart will be the better player, I just like Stauskas next to MCW

ProcessDoctor · Post #3172 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:48 pm

Iscull wrote:
sixers238 wrote:Does anyone think Marcus Smart may be a Hinkie target? I know his fit next to MCW isn't perfect, but apparently his advanced stats are top notch, and has tons of physical tools and potential on both ends. Plus, we haven't heard much about him regarding sixers interest, which may be another sign. Thoughts?

In last year's draft, Hinkie only drafted players who averaged over 2 steals per game with good length. Smart fits that description averaging 2.9 spg with a 6'9" wingspan. I think he would progress to be a great fit with MCW; however, we would need to trade up from the 10th to select him.

Exactly...and I think the many of the other big name prospects are being used as distractors while I believe Smart is a legitimate candidate to end up here (trading up from the 10th spot, like you mentioned). I'm starting to think Wiggins and Smart are who we walk away with draft day.

Iscull · Post #3173 » by **Iscull** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:40 am

sixers238 wrote:
Iscull wrote:
sixers238 wrote:Does anyone think Marcus Smart may be a Hinkie target? I know his fit next to MCW isn't perfect, but apparently his advanced stats are top notch, and has tons of physical tools and potential on both ends. Plus, we haven't heard much about him regarding sixers interest, which may be another sign. Thoughts?

In last year's draft, Hinkie only drafted players who averaged over 2 steals per game with good length. Smart fits that description averaging 2.9 spg with a 6'9" wingspan. I think he would progress to be a great fit with MCW; however, we would need to trade up from the 10th to select him.

Exactly...and I think the many of the other big name prospects are being used as distractors while I believe Smart is a legitimate candidate to end up here (trading up from the 10th spot, like you mentioned). I'm starting to think Wiggins and Smart are who we walk away with draft day.

I really hope so. MCW/Smart/Wiggins/Noel/Center is a legitimate squad oozing with potential.

Negrodamus · Post #3174 » by **Negrodamus** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:44 am

Iscull wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
Iscull wrote:
In last year's draft, Hinkie only drafted players who averaged over 2 steals per game with good length. Smart fits that description averaging 2.9 spg with a 6'9" wingspan. I think he would progress to be a great fit with MCW; however, we would need to trade up from the 10th to select him.

Exactly...and I think the many of the other big name prospects are being used as distractors while I believe Smart is a legitimate candidate to end up here (trading up from the 10th spot, like you mentioned). I'm starting to think Wiggins and Smart are who we walk away with draft day.

I really hope so. MCW/Smart/Wiggins/Noel/Center is a legitimate squad oozing with potential.

As we get closer to the draft, I am becoming more interested in bringing Smart here. Besides his shot, which is improving, I don't really see much wrong with him as a prospect.

Arsenal · Post #3175 » by **Arsenal** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:48 am

Negrodamus wrote:
Iscull wrote:
sixers238 wrote:
Exactly...and I think the many of the other big name prospects are being used as distractors while I believe Smart is a legitimate candidate to end up here (trading up from the 10th spot, like you mentioned). I'm starting to think Wiggins and Smart are who we walk away with draft day.

I really hope so. MCW/Smart/Wiggins/Noel/Center is a legitimate squad oozing with potential.

As we get closer to the draft, I am becoming more interested in bringing Smart here. Besides his shot, which is improving, I don't really see much wrong with him as a prospect.

Even his shot isn't that bad. His issues were more about shot selection according to scouting reports. That should be much easier to correct than a broken shot.

The defensive potential of having MCW, Smart, Wiggins, and Noel on the floor at the same time is insane.

Negrodamus · Post #3176 » by **Negrodamus** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:53 am

Arsenal wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Iscull wrote:
I really hope so. MCW/Smart/Wiggins/Noel/Center is a legitimate squad oozing with potential.

As we get closer to the draft, I am becoming more interested in bringing Smart here. Besides his shot, which is improving, I don't really see much wrong with him as a prospect.

Even his shot isn't that bad. His issues were more about shot selection according to scouting reports. That should be much easier to correct than a broken shot.

The defensive potential of having MCW, Smart, Wiggins, and Noel on the floor at the same time is insane.

He also needed to be the offense since Oklahoma St. was worthless without him. He has some Dwyane Wade feeling to him and his personality seems conducive for greatness in the NBA.

Problem is I don't think we will be able to get Wiggins and him. We'd have to trade up from 10 to 4 or 5, and that just doesn't seem likely.

Iscull · Post #3177 » by **Iscull** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:53 am

Arsenal wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Iscull wrote:
I really hope so. MCW/Smart/Wiggins/Noel/Center is a legitimate squad oozing with potential.

As we get closer to the draft, I am becoming more interested in bringing Smart here. Besides his shot, which is improving, I don't really see much wrong with him as a prospect.

Even his shot isn't that bad. His issues were more about shot selection according to scouting reports. That should be much easier to correct than a broken shot.

The defensive potential of having MCW, Smart, Wiggins, and Noel on the floor at the same time is insane.

Agreed. I think that lineup creates a lot of turnovers as well, which we immediately turn into buckets given how great that lineup is in transition. I can see ESPN's highlight reel featuring a variety of ally-oops from this cast.

Mik317 · Post #3178 » by **Mik317** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:34 am

Can he play the 2 tho?

I think a lot of MCW's strengths come from the simple fact that most PGs can't guard him..havign a smaller 2 guard will just allow teams to match up better and take away that advantage. And honestly, Smart may just be Super Tony Wroten..which is nice but ehhhh

Iscull · Post #3179 » by **Iscull** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:49 am

Mik317 wrote:Can he play the 2 tho?

I think a lot of MCW's strengths come from the simple fact that most PGs can't guard him..havign a smaller 2 guard will just allow teams to match up better and take away that advantage. And honestly, Smart may just be Super Tony Wroten..which is nice but ehhhh

Marcus Smart has a Dwayne Wade like build. He probably has close to 25 pounds on Wroten as well. I think that's a very poor comparison.

Negrodamus · Post #3180 » by **Negrodamus** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:52 am

Mik317 wrote:Can he play the 2 tho?

I think a lot of MCW's strengths come from the simple fact that most PGs can't guard him..havign a smaller 2 guard will just allow teams to match up better and take away that advantage. And honestly, Smart may just be Super Tony Wroten..which is nice but ehhhh

Can he defend the 2? Because he's certainly capable of being a SG on offense.

He defended Andrew Wiggins decently even though Wiggins put up 30. He was the teams best defender (and one of the best in the country for that matter). I think he could definitely be starting in our backcourt with MCW. They both aren't ball hogs either. I mean Smart shoots a lot, but, like I said, he was the offense for Okla St.