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Post#321 » by SixerFever215 » Tue Apr 1, 2014 11:48 am

Kobblehead wrote:The joke is you thinking he's a point guard. I swear, so many people post about players that have no idea how to evaluate what they see (if they even watch the guy).


Like I said I before I have been watching this guy since the 10th grade live, what makes him special his he's 6'9 he can handle, pass the ball, very good basketball IQ, but once you take the basketball out of his hands you take away all the things that make him special. There's no way he can guard SG/SF and for you to say he gain weight and become a PF is silly. He's a bench player at best in the NBA and people on this board what Hinkie draft with 11th pick LOLr
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Post#322 » by phifans » Tue Apr 1, 2014 12:04 pm

Just because you have to handle the ball on the offensive end doesn't mean you have to defend opponents' guards.
Is that really hard to understand ?
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Post#323 » by BNelley24 » Tue Apr 1, 2014 12:14 pm

If we hypothetically get Wiggins/Parker what do we do @ SG? Are the Harrison bro's possibilities for the 2nd round?
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Post#324 » by Kobblehead » Tue Apr 1, 2014 12:26 pm

SixerFever215 wrote: for you to say he gain weight and become a PF is silly.

I didn't.
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Post#325 » by sixers23 » Tue Apr 1, 2014 12:42 pm

BNelley24 wrote:If we hypothetically get Wiggins/Parker what do we do @ SG? Are the Harrison bro's possibilities for the 2nd round?

Wiggins can play 2 guard
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Post#326 » by Kobblehead » Tue Apr 1, 2014 12:59 pm

sixers23 wrote:Wiggins can play 2 guard


Maybe down the road. Right now, he's at his best slashing inside the arc. He's better off at the foward spot.
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Post#327 » by sixers23 » Tue Apr 1, 2014 1:01 pm

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sixers23 wrote:Wiggins can play 2 guard


Maybe down the road. Right now, he's a slashing three that needs to work on his handle before he can consistently attack from the backcourt.

It really just depends who the other 2 or 3 with him is. If it's a 3 who can spread the floor then no reason he can't play the 2
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Post#328 » by SparksFly87 » Tue Apr 1, 2014 1:39 pm

All in for Wiggins at the 2 and Kyle Anderson at the 3 . Can't teach that size. Let them develop at these positions and we have something special.
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Post#329 » by OleSchool » Tue Apr 1, 2014 1:50 pm

SparksFly87 wrote: Can't teach that size.


That's the same thing Lyman said after we drafted Bradley :o
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Post#330 » by SparksFly87 » Tue Apr 1, 2014 2:14 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
sixers23 wrote:Wiggins can play 2 guard


Maybe down the road. Right now, he's at his best slashing inside the arc. He's better off at the foward spot.


Let him develop at the 2 guard. We are few years away from winning any way.
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Post#331 » by SparksFly87 » Tue Apr 1, 2014 2:17 pm

OleSchool wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote: Can't teach that size.


That's the same thing Lyman said after we drafted Bradley :o


Yes but the have the skill and IQ to back it up.


Wiggins 6'8'two guard with 7'0 wingspan slasher , fast break , catch and shoot player and Kyle Anderson 6'9 with 7'2 wingspan point forward on the wings with MCW 6'6. 6'8 wingspan. Potential elite defensive team.
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Post#332 » by OleSchool » Tue Apr 1, 2014 2:33 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:
OleSchool wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote: Can't teach that size.


That's the same thing Lyman said after we drafted Bradley :o


Yes but the have the skill and IQ to back it up.


Wiggins 6'8'two guard with 7'0 wingspan slasher , fast break , catch and shoot player and Kyle Anderson 6'9 with 7'2 wingspan point forward on the wings with MCW 6'6. 6'8 wingspan. Potential elite defensive team.


In the limited knowledge we all have of Hinkie, I just can't see him drafting Anderson. Maybe J. Andersen but not Kyle
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Post#333 » by Bling76 » Tue Apr 1, 2014 2:54 pm

OleSchool wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:
OleSchool wrote:
That's the same thing Lyman said after we drafted Bradley :o


Yes but the have the skill and IQ to back it up.


Wiggins 6'8'two guard with 7'0 wingspan slasher , fast break , catch and shoot player and Kyle Anderson 6'9 with 7'2 wingspan point forward on the wings with MCW 6'6. 6'8 wingspan. Potential elite defensive team.


In the limited knowledge we all have of Hinkie, I just can't see him drafting Anderson. Maybe J. Andersen but not Kyle


I disagree. I doubt he's a target because his skill set is similar to MCW, but Kyle is a player that stats/analytics types really like. For instance, stat-head/draft guru Layne Vashro does an excellent predictive model (http://t.co/bTCAhItxGD) for draft prospects. Last year, he had Noel #1, MCW #3, and Kazemi #20. In this year's model, SloMo is second only to Embiid.
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Post#334 » by sixers23 » Tue Apr 1, 2014 2:59 pm

Anderson more than any player in the draft probably has to have the fit to succeed in the nba
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Post#335 » by PhilasFinest » Tue Apr 1, 2014 3:10 pm

BNelley24 wrote:If we hypothetically get Wiggins/Parker what do we do @ SG? Are the Harrison bro's possibilities for the 2nd round?



If we land Wiggins or Parker I think we need to look big with the Pelicans pick if theres someone available....Capella,Harrell.Payne etc.

Noel is coming off of a major injury,and will likely have some foul issues at sometimes next year growing into the defensive anchor role as a rookie.And while Thad has been much improved this year, i still don't consider him a "big". Id be fine with Sims and Varnado coming back next year as bench bigs,but we def gotta come away with a big man prospect imo.

The wing crop after the top prospects are honestly pretty close and potentially coin flips.
Anderson,LaVine,Stauskas,Hairston,etc. All have strengths and weaknesses, and none really jump out and scream must take, especially if were adding a wing with our own pick.

I don't think the Harrison twins declare if there only going to be 2nd round picks, but thats just my thoughts.Theres certainly some guys we could take fliers on in the 2nd round at the SG position, or trade up into the late first and nab. Also would mind seeing us either acquire one via trade or continuing to plug in guys with 3/D potential.
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
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Post#336 » by PhilasFinest » Tue Apr 1, 2014 3:25 pm

Bling76 wrote:
OleSchool wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:
Yes but the have the skill and IQ to back it up.


Wiggins 6'8'two guard with 7'0 wingspan slasher , fast break , catch and shoot player and Kyle Anderson 6'9 with 7'2 wingspan point forward on the wings with MCW 6'6. 6'8 wingspan. Potential elite defensive team.


In the limited knowledge we all have of Hinkie, I just can't see him drafting Anderson. Maybe J. Andersen but not Kyle


I disagree. I doubt he's a target because his skill set is similar to MCW, but Kyle is a player that stats/analytics types really like. For instance, stat-head/draft guru Layne Vashro does an excellent predictive model (http://t.co/bTCAhItxGD) for draft prospects. Last year, he had Noel #1, MCW #3, and Kazemi #20. In this year's model, SloMo is second only to Embiid.



I agree with this....and while I'm not an avid Anderson supported solely because Im not sure how he will translate positionally at the next level, I do like his game and could see why Analytical guys would too.

while somewhat slow and lacking explosive athleticism, he does posses a lot of qualities. He's big,long...has very good handles,has the vision and passing of a point guard,rebounds,gets steals and blocks due to his size/length and has decent shooting %.

Hes a very interesting prospect, and while he has some ???, he's still on my list for the Pelicans pick.
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
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Post#337 » by 42uptop » Tue Apr 1, 2014 3:46 pm

Bling76 wrote:I disagree. I doubt he's a target because his skill set is similar to MCW, but Kyle is a player that stats/analytics types really like. For instance, stat-head/draft guru Layne Vashro does an excellent predictive model (http://t.co/bTCAhItxGD) for draft prospects. Last year, he had Noel #1, MCW #3, and Kazemi #20. In this year's model, SloMo is second only to Embiid.


but but but..... Hinkie only drafts the most athletic players. At least, that's what we concluded after 1 draft in which a known analytics guru took the analytics BPA at both #6 and #11. You're trying to tell me there's more to basketball than raw athletic ability?
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Post#338 » by sixers23 » Tue Apr 1, 2014 3:53 pm

Nobody knows if he likes abderson or not but it's not like he just goes strictly off analytics
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Post#339 » by PhilasFinest » Tue Apr 1, 2014 3:55 pm

I don't think athleticism is the end all be all for Hinkie, its simply another variable that adds to a players grade.
If a guy is faster,quicker and jumps higher than most....he has some significant advantages.
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
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Post#340 » by FlightBrothers » Tue Apr 1, 2014 4:16 pm

BNelley24 wrote:If we hypothetically get Wiggins/Parker what do we do @ SG? Are the Harrison bro's possibilities for the 2nd round?


If we could grab him in the 2nd round I wouldnt mind taking a gamble on Aaron Harrison

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