Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[spikeslovechild]

Lowry almost got traded for Tim Hardaway and a protected first when he was about to hit FA and he is a much better player.

He's 28. That is the average age when NBA players stop growing but beyond that he'll be 29 once he gets his new deal which will carry him well into his thirties.

I'm not going to attach meaningless labels like top ten point guard. For me he is a 17-18 PER player moving forward. Look if he was two years younger and still had a couple more years left on his deal I would be more then fine with the return but he's not.

I see no reason to do the deal. We aren't going anywhere next year. If we want Teague we can sign him when he becomes a free agent. If we can't get equal value from a talent standpoint then we at least need to get a longterm asset for Noel.

[King Ken]

I'm all for trading Noel, but this is a senseless deal. Trading for Schroeder makes some sense, but Teague shouldn't be this expensive. Hard to believe it's even true.

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Why shouldn't it be?

Top 10 PG
No real flaws as a PG.
Can play off as well as on the ball.
High BBIQ
Can run an offense
Can shoot the ball well
Is careful with the ball
Good passer.
Defends well especially 1v1.
Team player
Selfless, sometimes too selfless.
Good ball handler.
Very good footwork.
Improved every year.
Respected throughout NBA circles.
A silent leader.

The fact that you could get Teague for a package of Noel means Noel has very good value. Proven NBA players who aren't even in their prime yet are far from cheap.

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[Cheatergriffin]

You all are so dramatic. Noel for Teague actually seems pretty fair value wise.

There are reasons I wouldn't do the trade, mostly I think Teague is too old for our core and don't like that he becomes an unrestricted free agent at the end of next year, but this rumor shouldn't be sending anyone off on a 'BC is an idiot who is dead set on destroying the Sixers' rant.

You just outlined the reasons why it is not fair value wise. Teague is probably worth something like a late first.

Impending free agents aren't worth much. Noel is an impending RFA and actually has the potential to grow into a 16-18 million dollar player. Much like Derozan grew into his deal which was an overpay at the time.

Teague ain't getting better. Worse his FA contract is likely to cover his decline phase. Just because we don't have a starting spot in the organization for Noel longterm doesn't mean we have to give him away.

In fact, as I mentioned numerous times just having him here as insurance for Embiid is valuable. It's not valuable enough to keep him if someteam makes a good offer for him but conceivably if Embiid ends up a gimp Noel would be our center, Okafor our pF, and Simmons our SF.

If Teague is the best the league can do I say we keep him. Maybe, in limited minutes he'll rebuild his value by the deadline. If not then he can't cost that much to resign. If this is his value around the league.

This is why your just a fan and Bryan and numerous others are NBA GMs and you are just a fan. In what world is a top 10 NBA PG who is coming into the prime of his career worth a late 1st? Jeff is one of the most complete PG's in the NBA. Does very thing good or very good and is a very talented NBA player.

If I was a Sixers fan, I would be jumping for joy. Lord knows I haven't seen very good PG play since Andre Miller. This is a PG league. PnR, spacing, being able to run an offense, shooting, being able to play off the ball and low turnovers are valued and Jeff does all of those things well or very well. Once again, maybe you just don't watch the Hawks but Teague has been a very good player for us. A big part of the reason we won 60, when the the ECF Final and had a good year this year.

This Hinkle assets mindset is good when you are a team without many but your team has players who could be stars. It's time to finally build around them. Add a PG, get a SG in FA. Build around your assets. Make them bigger assets. You could then be in the market for Butler, George or whoever when they are available. This backwards idea of assets is NBA 2kish at best. One I understand but at this stage, isn't needed.

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Do you really believe jeff teague is a top 10 point guard? I said it before and will say it again, he wouldnt even finish games in crucial situations on his own team. I know schroeder is liked on here but its not like schroeder is a top 9 point.

[BullyKing]

Also, I'd hope that the Sixers wouldn't do this deal until they know Teague would sign an extension, believe I read that July 10th is when they can begin discussions (?). However, if he wasn't going to consider us in the future then why would he begin discussing it now that this has gotten out?

I read that he isn't eligible for an extension if traded until mid-January so cross that justification off the list.

What about if he signs an extension with the Hawks and then they trade him? I'm not familiar with the intricacies, idk.

I think there are rules against that also but I'm not positive.

[King Ken]

I am curious to know how Teague isn't getting better. He's gotten better every year? He's not even in his prime yet.

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He's going to be 28 in a week (June 10th), that's about when players begin to descend from their primes... 25-27 are generally player's primes, that's typically when they're at their best, productivity wise.

At what position? Most PG's are going into their prime from 28-32. And can play at a high level till 37. Especially the ones who are cerebral. Look at Kyle Lowry and Billups for example. Nowadays, players are maintaining their quickness into their mid 30s.

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[spikeslovechild]

You just outlined the reasons why it is not fair value wise. Teague is probably worth something like a late first.

Impending free agents aren't worth much. Noel is an impending RFA and actually has the potential to grow into a 16-18 million dollar player. Much like Derozan grew into his deal which was an overpay at the time.

Teague ain't getting better. Worse his FA contract is likely to cover his decline phase. Just because we don't have a starting spot in the organization for Noel longterm doesn't mean we have to give him away.

In fact, as I mentioned numerous times just having him here as insurance for Embiid is valuable. It's not valuable enough to keep him if someteam makes a good offer for him but conceivably if Embiid ends up a gimp Noel would be our center, Okafor our pF, and Simmons our SF.

If Teague is the best the league can do I say we keep him. Maybe, in limited minutes he'll rebuild his value by the deadline. If not then he can't cost that much to resign. If this is his value around the league.

This is why your just a fan and Bryan and numerous others are NBA GMs and you are just a fan. In what world is a top 10 NBA PG who is coming into the prime of his career worth a late 1st? Jeff is one of the most complete PG's in the NBA. Does very thing good or very good and is a very talented NBA player.

If I was a Sixers fan, I would be jumping for joy. Lord knows I haven't seen very good PG play since Andre Miller. This is a PG league. PnR, spacing, being able to run an offense, shooting, being able to play off the ball and low turnovers are valued and Jeff does all of those things well or very well. Once again, maybe you just don't watch the Hawks but Teague has been a very good player for us. A big part of the reason we won 60, when the the ECF Final and had a good year this year.

This Hinkle assets mindset is good when you are a team without many but your team has players who could be stars. It's time to finally build around them. Add a PG, get a SG in FA. Build around your assets. Make them bigger assets. You could then be in the market for Butler, George or whoever when they are available. This backwards idea of assets is NBA 2kish at best. One I understand but at this stage, isn't needed.

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Preach it.

Nobody is going to want to come here without a legit PG.

I think people need to understand it's time for progress.

I want progress too.

But this isn't progress this is a step backwards because after this season Teague becomes a free agent. Progress would be trading Noel for a PG who can actually help us longterm whether that be Dunn, Murray, Russell (more of a combo guard). Knight. Bledsoe. Butler. etc.

Anyone who has read my posts knows I want to move Noel for the right deal. I don't think he has a future here but that doesn't mean we should give him away.

[rallydurham]

This is a terrible deal because he doesn't match your window... and he's a free agent... like why wouldn't you just sign him as a free agent next year?! What's the rush to win more games, it just hurts your draft pick.

I'd find a reasonable pg. Someone like jeremy lin offer 2/$40.... he won't help you win but he allows you to run a functioning offense, has marketability, doesn't clog long term space, gets you to the salary floor.
You should be drafting a pg next year in all likelihood.

Dennis Smith Jr is the next westbrook
Why would you want teague for 5/$175.. age 31-36 makes no sense.

[sixers23]

I honestly might block every person who is dumb enough to think this is anything but a horrendous trade

It's not horrendous. You might not like it but its far from horrendous. Noel is what he is and is always going to be what he is. This tanking can't last forever, you have to move on at some point. There are too many bigs and if you can get a legit PG, you do it.

No it's horrendous

[wickerhd]

Not a fan of either team, but taken in a vacuum (contract length ignored), Philly is the winner in this trade to me. They get a starting point guard for a non scoring center. Teague is a top 5 pg in the East (I put Wall, Lowry, Kyrie, and IT above him YMMV), while Noel looks to become an athletic rim protector like Biyambo. Very valuable to a contender, but hardly a devastating loss to Philly as currently constructed. Additionally, Teague brings real experience running a pro offense and will be the only 6er with meaningful playoff experience. That can't help but improve the development of your young team.

No reason you can't sign Jeff long term. Of course you'll have to pay him market value, but I don't see why he wouldn't re-up with Philly as long as they are turning the team over to him. I wouldn't worry about the age issue. You will have lots of opportunities to draft a developmental pg in the next 3 seasons who can only benefit from learning the position under Teague.

In the immortal words of Bret Favre, relax!


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[FlightBrothers]

I'm all for trading Noel, but this is a senseless deal. Trading for Schroeder makes some sense, but Teague shouldn't be this expensive. Hard to believe it's even true.

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Why shouldn't it be?

Top 10 PG
No real flaws as a PG.
Can play off as well as on the ball.
High BBIQ
Can run an offense
Can shoot the ball well
Is careful with the ball
Good passer.
Defends well especially 1v1.
Team player
Selfless, sometimes too selfless.
Good ball handler.
Very good footwork.
Improved every year.
Respected throughout NBA circles.
A silent leader.

The fact that you could get Teague for a package of Noel means Noel has very good value. Proven NBA players who aren't even in their prime yet are far from cheap.

ugh how is 28 (which he turns 6/10) not even being in your prime. that is definitely being in your prime if not past your prime.

[MatthewGeigerII]

can anyone recap this?

i was off and on twitter last night so missed a big chunk of the news. Was it:

1) Shams (The Vertical): Teague for Noel as part of a package news
2) Keith Pompey chimes in that the sixers may add Covington AND stauskas? Didn't state if the hawks added anything, correct?

and that's all we got so far?

IMO: i think Shams and The Vertical are a lot more reliable, he probably has a tight QA/QC process to even post a rumor... whereas Pompey probably has no one really back checking his tweets. I'm not buying the second part of the rumor yet, it just doesn't even make a little sense. unless there was a source i missed



Secondary: What would the deal have to be for you to like a Teague-Noel Trade. would most fans be ok with Teague and #21 for Noel or do they literally not have anything else you want?

[sixers23]

can anyone recap this?

i was off and on twitter last night so missed a big chunk of the news. Was it:

1) Shams (The Vertical): Teague for Noel as part of a package news
2) Keith Pompey chimes in that the sixers may add Covington AND stauskas? Didn't state if the hawks added anything, correct?

and that's all we got so far?

IMO: i think Shams and The Vertical are a lot more reliable, he probably has a tight QA/QC process to even post a rumor... whereas Pompey probably has no one really back checking his tweets. I'm not buying the second part of the rumor yet, it just doesn't even make a little sense. unless there was a source i missed



Secondary: What would the deal have to be for you to like a Teague-Noel Trade. would most fans be ok with Teague and #21 for Noel or do they literally not have anything else you want?

Hawks have nothing of value in my eyes

[Negrodamus]

Not a fan of either team, but taken in a vacuum (contract length ignored), Philly is the winner in this trade to me. They get a starting point guard for a non scoring center. Teague is a top 5 pg in the East (I put Wall, Lowry, Kyrie, and IT above him YMMV), while Noel looks to become an athletic rim protector like Biyambo. Very valuable to a contender, but hardly a devastating loss to Philly as currently constructed. Additionally, Teague brings real experience running a pro offense and will be the only 6er with meaningful playoff experience. That can't help but improve the development of your young team.

No reason you can't sign Jeff long term. Of course you'll have to pay him market value, but I don't see why he wouldn't re-up with Philly as long as they are turning the team over to him. I wouldn't worry about the age issue. You will have lots of opportunities to draft a developmental pg in the next 3 seasons who can only benefit from learning the position under Teague.

In the immortal words of Bret Favre, relax!


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Turn the team over to him? When we have Simmons, Embiid, and Okafor? Yea, I'm not comfortable with that.

[PhillyRocks1]

can anyone recap this?

i was off and on twitter last night so missed a big chunk of the news. Was it:

1) Shams (The Vertical): Teague for Noel as part of a package news
2) Keith Pompey chimes in that the sixers may add Covington AND stauskas? Didn't state if the hawks added anything, correct?

and that's all we got so far?

IMO: i think Shams and The Vertical are a lot more reliable, he probably has a tight QA/QC process to even post a rumor... whereas Pompey probably has no one really back checking his tweets. I'm not buying the second part of the rumor yet, it just doesn't even make a little sense. unless there was a source i missed



Secondary: What would the deal have to be for you to like a Teague-Noel Trade. would most fans be ok with Teague and #21 for Noel or do they literally not have anything else you want?

I agree. I think it's just Pompey piggy backing off of last years trade deadline rumor.

[MatthewGeigerII]

can anyone recap this?

i was off and on twitter last night so missed a big chunk of the news. Was it:

1) Shams (The Vertical): Teague for Noel as part of a package news
2) Keith Pompey chimes in that the sixers may add Covington AND stauskas? Didn't state if the hawks added anything, correct?

and that's all we got so far?

IMO: i think Shams and The Vertical are a lot more reliable, he probably has a tight QA/QC process to even post a rumor... whereas Pompey probably has no one really back checking his tweets. I'm not buying the second part of the rumor yet, it just doesn't even make a little sense. unless there was a source i missed



Secondary: What would the deal have to be for you to like a Teague-Noel Trade. would most fans be ok with Teague and #21 for Noel or do they literally not have anything else you want?

I agree. I think it's just Pompey piggy backing off of last years trade deadline rumor.

As i said that - he tweets out an article titled "With the No. 1 pick, the #76ers select .... Jamal Murray"

[brackdan70]

This is pretty interesting as an unbiased (sort of) onlooker. I really have always liked Teague as a player, but at age 28 as a PG that relies on quickness I feel like he probably is what he is for a couple years and then will start slowing down. he is a good shooter as well, but it sure seems like Philly could get much better value for Noel.
Maybe this is just smoke?, who knows, but it seems like an odd trade from Philly point of view.

[marcush]

This is pretty interesting as an unbiased (sort of) onlooker. I really have always liked Teague as a player, but at age 28 as a PG that relies on quickness I feel like he probably is what he is for a couple years and then will start slowing down. he is a good shooter as well, but it sure seems like Philly could get much better value for Noel.
Maybe this is just smoke?, who knows, but it seems like an odd trade from Philly point of view.

We are run by Bryan Colangelo now, odd is the new normal.

[05PhillyAI]

Noel, Sauce and Big Shot Bob for Teague on a contract year? Yea...ok

[mksp]

Drafting Jahlil Okafor has set this team down a path of despair and darkness.

Forces Nerlens Noel to play out of position, killing his value.

Is a blackhole offensively and a negative player defensively, played a large role in 10-win season, while players drafted after him showed superstar potential, ultimately leading to Hinkie's firing.

Now we have to trade either him or Noel, but he has limited value because he's so awful defensively, and Noel has less value after playing PF all year to accommodate this dude.

FML.

[05PhillyAI]

Drafting Jahlil Okafor has set this team down a path of despair and darkness.

Forces Nerlens Noel to play out of position, killing his value.

Is a blackhole offensively and a negative player defensively, played a large role in 10-win season, while players drafted after him showed superstar potential, ultimately leading to Hinkie's firing.

Now we have to trade either him or Noel, but he has limited value because he's so awful defensively, and Noel has less value after playing PF all year to accommodate this dude.

FML.

Interesting point. Exactly why I personally wanted Russell or KAT last year. Just wasn't in the cards.