Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[76ciology]

trade?

Ben Simmons for Jimmy Butler
Josh Richardson plus whatever for Kyle Lowry

Get Embiid the guys he's always wanted and see what happens lol.

Josh rich for JJ
Ben for Jimmy

I think thats better

Jimmy
JJ
Tobias
Al
Biid

Now thats a roster that would satisfy Biid while having Al as either as a starter or a back-up to prepare us for playoff match-ups.

I know you all dont want Al. And since this is hypothetical, maybe you can start Thybulle and have Tobi play PF.

[ankle420breaker]

Hey Wolvians (?)...

How much does Ben Simmons performance concern you this year?

League average TOV% is around 13% and Simmons is turning the ball over @ 20.5% this year.

...

Also, are the Embiid/Simmons compatibility concerns real?

Synergy stats say they are. They have a Synergy score of -2.48...

Out of all the players who have played >1k possessions, Embiid and Simmons have the worst synergy.

Ben was slow out of the gate this season, but prior to his back injury he was playing some elite ball on both ends. Started getting to the line with more frequency and slowly improvinghis %. That's always been the key to unlocking his game.

There's always some concerns about fit with Ben and Joel, but despite not being ideal complimentary guys they've managed to be a 50+ win team the last two years. Most would prefer to alternate the supporting cast before considering parting ways with Ben or Jo.

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[youngcrev]

Hey Wolvians (?)...

How much does Ben Simmons performance concern you this year?

League average TOV% is around 13% and Simmons is turning the ball over @ 20.5% this year.

...

Also, are the Embiid/Simmons compatibility concerns real?

Synergy stats say they are. They have a Synergy score of -2.48...

Out of all the players who have played >1k possessions, Embiid and Simmons have the worst synergy.

Ben could stand to clean up the turnovers at times, but I'm not overly concerned with that. Based on how TOV% is calculated, players of his archetype (relatively low FGA guys with high playmaking responsibility) don't rate well in that category. Kidd is a career 18.8, Draymond 19.6, Stockton 20.6, Rondo 21.5, Rubio 19.9, ect.

The main concern with Ben is the same as it's always been, the shooting. It's been talked about to death, but that doesn't change it. His unwillingness to space the floor hurts the offense at times, and his poor free throw shooting can make him a non-factor in late game situations (which is a problem when he's also your most reliable ball handler). I also think the poor free throw shooting causes him to actively avoid going to the line at times throughout the game.

That's also what makes the fit with Embiid less than ideal.

Still, up until this year the team has played at an extremely high level from a net rating perspective when both are on the floor. And when you factor the minutes with Horford, they've been good this year as well. I'm unfamiliar with the "synergy score" stat. What was was their rating in the previous 2 years?

[Kobblehead]

Am I worried about Ben Simmons' turnovers? Not really.

Am I worried about the Embiid/Simmons lack of synergy? Not really. We all acknowledge that they aren't the best fit, but at the end of the day, they're only 2/5s of a lineup. You can buff their compatibility by putting the right guys in the 3 spots with them.

[Kobblehead]

Jimmy
JJ
Tobias
Al
Biid

Embiid loves Redick, I'm kind of over seeing a progressively older shooting specialist get torched in the postseason year after year. That's why Lowry is so appealing instead. Embiid loves him and he's just as passionate, all while being able to hold up defensively and providing shotcreating abilities. Two things that J.J. does not.

Embiid
______
Butler
Thybulle
Lowry

That right there is 4/5ths of an impenetrable defense.

I don't think our defense will ever be impenetrable when playing an additional C with Embiid and having one or both of Redick/Harris on the floor. There's a lot of cracks in the armor to be exploited.

[76ciology]

Jimmy
JJ
Tobias
Al
Biid

Embiid loves Redick, I'm kind of over seeing a progressively older shooting specialist get torched in the postseason year after year. That's why Lowry is so appealing instead. Embiid loves him and he's just as passionate, all while being able to hold up defensively and providing shotcreating abilities. Two things that J.J. does not.

Embiid
______
Butler
Thybulle
Lowry

That right there is 4/5ths of an impenetrable defense.

I don't think our defense will ever be impenetrable when playing an additional C with Embiid and having one or both of Redick/Harris on the floor. There's a lot of cracks in the armor to be exploited.

Ok ok.

Zach Lavine.

Bet you didnt see that coming

[Kobblehead]

Shocking but I'm still going with Lowry in this fake scenario lol.

I think we'd win a championship this year with the Embiid/Butler/Lowry trio.

Lowry was taking charges in the allstar game lol. This guy is the ultimate competitor.

[ankle420breaker]

It'll be interesting to see if Lowry re-ups again in Toronto after next season.

Random and likely unrealistic two-prong planning here, but it'd be interesting if we could somehow finesse a Derozan for Harris deal with San Antonio. Not the biggest Derozan fan, but he's a more versatile creator with a shorter contract.

Then for phase two-- try to sell Lowry and Derozan the "lets finish what we started" championship dream and reunite the best friends in Lowry's home town on cap friendly deals.



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[youngcrev]

Is Schroder worth a look? Particularly if we're talking about Rozier. He's also coming off an outlier shooting year from 3. Can get into the lane at will, pass, score off the bounce. Has been extremely successful this year playing in multi PG lineups. Still relatively young.

Definitely not an ideal piece. Hasn't been a great shooter or finisher at the time from a career perspective, so you'd have to worry about how much regression you'd see from this year. You'd also be buying high on him. Still, most of the more ideal pieces may not be gettable. And he's on the final year of his deal, so it wouldn't be a long-term commitment if things don't work out. That may work against them if things do work with Elton doing the negotiating.

[Kobblehead]

It'll be interesting to see if Lowry re-ups again in Toronto after next season.

Random and likely unrealistic two-prong planning here, but it'd be interesting if we could somehow finesse a Derozan for Harris deal with San Antonio. Not the biggest Derozan fan, but he's a more versatile creator with a shorter contract.

Then for phase two-- try to sell Lowry and Derozan the "lets finish what we started" championship dream and reunite the best friends in Lowry's home town on cap friendly deals.

Two-prong planning? Might as well add two more and have the whole fork.

3. Re-instate Colangelo
4. Fire Brown, hire Casey

[Kobblehead]

Is Schroder worth a look? Particularly if we're talking about Rozier. He's also coming off an outlier shooting year from 3. Can get into the lane at will, pass, score off the bounce. Has been extremely successful this year playing in multi PG lineups. Still relatively young.

Definitely not an ideal piece. Hasn't been a great shooter or finisher at the time from a career perspective, so you'd have to worry about how much regression you'd see from this year. You'd also be buying high on him. Still, most of the more ideal pieces may not be gettable. And he's on the final year of his deal, so it wouldn't be a long-term commitment if things don't work out. That may work against them if things do work with Elton doing the negotiating.

If all it took was Josh Richardson + Mike Scott with no picks involved, I might consider it. I'd be worried that Elton would try to extend him, though. Which I am 100% not interested in.

[youngcrev]

PHI: Dennis Schroder and #13 overall (Portland)
OKC: Trevor Ariza, Zhaire Smith, #34 overall
POR: Josh Richardson

Portland gets an immediate contributor that fits their needs perfectly and lines up age-wise with their core.

The Thunder get some value back for an expiring contract.

The Sixers get a PG that can do PG stuff and a late lotto pick to try to find some cost controlled talent.

[Kobblehead]

I mean, if we can get a short-term halfcourt bandage like Schroder and a chance to add a longterm difference maker with a lotto pick, that would be brilliant.

Does Richardson really have enough value to pull in a lotto pick?

[ankle420breaker]

I mean, if we can get a short-term halfcourt bandage like Schroder and a chance to add a longterm difference maker with a lotto pick, that would be brilliant.

Does Richardson really have enough value to pull in a lotto pick?

What's Bargnani up to these days?

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[youngcrev]

I mean, if we can get a short-term halfcourt bandage like Schroder and a chance to add a longterm difference maker with a lotto pick, that would be brilliant.

Does Richardson really have enough value to pull in a lotto pick?

I think he could pull a pick in the teens. This has been a bit of a lost season for him with him getting derailed by the hamstring every time he got something going, but he's got a pretty valuable skill set as a role player. He'd be worth more without the opt out, but Portland has the cap flexibility to resign him.

[Kobblehead]

If Portland values him enough to give us their pick, I think I might explore dealing with them directly and forgoing the halfcourt help from Shroder. I'd do a Richardson for Ariza + lotto pick swap. Ariza's 100+ playoff game experience to go along with his still-strong defense could be invaluable for us in next year's playoffs.

[youngcrev]

If Portland values him enough to give us their pick, I think I might explore dealing with them directly and forgoing the halfcourt help from Shroder. I'd do a Richardson for Ariza + lotto pick swap. Ariza's 100+ playoff game experience to go along with his still-strong defense could be invaluable for us in next year's playoffs.

Who are you taking at 13 that it's worth that downgrade in the same role?

[Kobblehead]

Who are you taking at 13 that it's worth that downgrade in the same role?

#13 in this draft is incredibly valuable. There's an unusual amount of prospects with losing skillsets mocked in the top half of the lottery. We'd be in striking distance to trade up for all-nba talents Killian Hayes, R.J. Hampton, Onyeka Okongwu. Or we could stand pat and get surefire 2-way starters like Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell or Josh Green.

[Negrodamus]

Also, Josh Richardson is pretty redundant on this roster. He's a very good defender, but Thybulle will easily pass him. He's an okay creator/mediocre shooter while Shake is currently better at both, imo. If you can get a lottery pick for him and possibly get an intriguing talent, I'd be interested.

However, I would also be fine using him as a sweetener to get an actual high level scoring guard.

[Kobblehead]

I'm not sure Ariza wouldn't end up having more impact than Richardson, despite the lesser production.

Richardson's weak attempts at filling a creation/production role have really tanked a lot of his efficiency and shooting percentages. And his defense has taken a huge hit with his newfound offensive energy expenditure. He's not a very good player right now. Subpar on both ends.

Ariza is a bigger and better defender and probably wouldn't fuss about much offensively. Just hit assisted shots when called upon.