Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 6

[eyeatoma]

Out of curiosity - how would Philly fans value Embiids contract going forward.
21/22 - $31.6m
22/23 - $33.6m
23/24 - $43.7m
24/25 - $47.2m
25/26 - $50.7m
26/27 - $54.2m
Good / Even / Negative value.
Are any worried it may become a huge Untradeable Ball n Chain in a year or 2.
I post this as I read some here claim Joel may ask for a trade next season if things go south - however I personally think in another 12 months that contract is going to be supa hard to move.

If he has a career threatening injury sure. If he does his usual 65 games a year. He will demand a kings ransom.

[Rastas]

Spoiler:

Out of curiosity - how would Philly fans value Embiids contract going forward.
21/22 - $31.6m
22/23 - $33.6m
23/24 - $43.7m
24/25 - $47.2m
25/26 - $50.7m
26/27 - $54.2m
Good / Even / Negative value.
Are any worried it may become a huge Untradeable Ball n Chain in a year or 2.
I post this as I read some here claim Joel may ask for a trade next season if things go south - however I personally think in another 12 months that contract is going to be supa hard to move.

If he has a career threatening injury sure. If he does his usual 65 games a year. He will demand a kings ransom.

But Joel has never had a 65 game season.
Just feels like a lot of fingers crossed for a long time situation to me.

[FlyingArrow]

Spoiler:

Out of curiosity - how would Philly fans value Embiids contract going forward.
21/22 - $31.6m
22/23 - $33.6m
23/24 - $43.7m
24/25 - $47.2m
25/26 - $50.7m
26/27 - $54.2m
Good / Even / Negative value.
Are any worried it may become a huge Untradeable Ball n Chain in a year or 2.
I post this as I read some here claim Joel may ask for a trade next season if things go south - however I personally think in another 12 months that contract is going to be supa hard to move.

If he has a career threatening injury sure. If he does his usual 65 games a year. He will demand a kings ransom.

But Joel has never had a 65 game season.

Not in the regular season, but combined with the postseason...

2017-18: 63 + 8 = 71
2018-19: 64+11 = 75
2019-20: 51+4 = 55
2020-21: 51+11 = 62

Averaging 65.75 games per year.

[KL78192020]

Spoiler:

Out of curiosity - how would Philly fans value Embiids contract going forward.
21/22 - $31.6m
22/23 - $33.6m
23/24 - $43.7m
24/25 - $47.2m
25/26 - $50.7m
26/27 - $54.2m
Good / Even / Negative value.
Are any worried it may become a huge Untradeable Ball n Chain in a year or 2.
I post this as I read some here claim Joel may ask for a trade next season if things go south - however I personally think in another 12 months that contract is going to be supa hard to move.

If he has a career threatening injury sure. If he does his usual 65 games a year. He will demand a kings ransom.

But Joel has never had a 65 game season.
Just feels like a lot of fingers crossed for a long time situation to me.

The last time the NBA has a real full season he played 64 games in 18/19. He should be good for 60 to 65 at least. As long as he plays in the playoffs the contract is worth it.

[Rastas]

Thank you for the responses - obviously you guy's have a bit more confidence in him than I personally do.
I value that contract as easily tradable right now.
Next year not so easy.
23/24 and beyond as almost impossible to trade unless for a similar situation contract.

[jscott]

Then the wolves shouldn't bother asking for Ben unless they can get a third team in, because the rest they have to offer makes zero sense for Philly.

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Doesn’t seem like any of the 4-5 teams who have interest in Simmons are willing to move anyone critical from their team. Not sure how that’s going to change. I mean, he’s gonna just sit. How long can they afford no production from 30-35m in cap? Do you think this stretches to the deadline? Do you think his value will somehow be higher by then?

I feel the longer this goes the lower his value gets and by some crazy chance it somehow gets into another offseason he’ll be an extremely negative contract. Not sure how long PHI can afford to string this out frankly. It’ll be interesting to follow.

Ultimately, I’m not saying the Wolves will have the 6ers preferred offer for Ben. Not trying to convince you of that because what would that accomplish? I’m saying that, as someone who follows that team closely, there is no way they’ll offer Edwards.

Timberwolves core players if Simmons is traded will be 25/26/25/20. Future draft picks mean nothing if their core players are that young. That’s why wolves have nothing to offer. And we don’t want Russell. So ignoring Russell you have soon to be 26 year old KAT, 25 year old Simmons and just turned 20 Edwards.

This isn’t 36/37 year old pierce/kg team offering future picks.

I’m not interested in Edwards. He’s maybe 2 years away. He was high usage when timberwolves had KAT and Russell injured. He’s a slasher. Average ball handler for now. Lots of potential. That’s what Edwards is. Potential. You allow any rookie to jack up 17 shots a game. He’s gonna to score 19 points A game.

What does this have anything to do with what I posted?

Seems like you just want to **** post the Wolves when I openly admitted that the Wolves may not have the assets the 6ers want to move for Simmons.

[wolves_89]

Then the wolves shouldn't bother asking for Ben unless they can get a third team in, because the rest they have to offer makes zero sense for Philly.

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Doesn’t seem like any of the 4-5 teams who have interest in Simmons are willing to move anyone critical from their team. Not sure how that’s going to change. I mean, he’s gonna just sit. How long can they afford no production from 30-35m in cap? Do you think this stretches to the deadline? Do you think his value will somehow be higher by then?

I feel the longer this goes the lower his value gets and by some crazy chance it somehow gets into another offseason he’ll be an extremely negative contract. Not sure how long PHI can afford to string this out frankly. It’ll be interesting to follow.

Ultimately, I’m not saying the Wolves will have the 6ers preferred offer for Ben. Not trying to convince you of that because what would that accomplish? I’m saying that, as someone who follows that team closely, there is no way they’ll offer Edwards.

Is there an inside leak or a public statement that Edwards is off the table? Not saying you're wrong - you certainly follow the Wolves more than we do. Just saying that the conventional wisdom on message boards and local talk radio doesn't always match up with what the GM/owner say.

I think I've heard literally every Wolves insider (Krawczynski, Moore, Wolfson, Robson, Beecken, Theige, ...) say that they believe Edwards is off-limits in trade talks.

[zimpy27]

Philly get SGA, Beverley

Minny get Simmons, Reed

OKC get Maxey, Prince, Minnesota 4 FRPs, Minnesota 3 swaps


This would be the basis of an SGA trade IMO. OKC would want Maxey and picks. They would want to tank for FRPs so they wouldn't want Simmons.

[eyeatoma]

Philly get SGA, Beverley

Minny get Simmons, Reed

OKC get Maxey, Prince, Minnesota 4 FRPs, Minnesota 3 swaps


This would be the basis of an SGA trade IMO. OKC would want Maxey and picks. They would want to tank for FRPs so they wouldn't want Simmons.

I'd do this.

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[76ciology]

Yeah, i’d also do that deal proposed by Zimpy

[Sportfan73]

Philly get SGA, Beverley

Minny get Simmons, Reed

OKC get Maxey, Prince, Minnesota 4 FRPs, Minnesota 3 swaps


This would be the basis of an SGA trade IMO. OKC would want Maxey and picks. They would want to tank for FRPs so they wouldn't want Simmons.

I'd do this.

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Sure but why would okc do that?

[76ciology]

Out of curiosity - how would Philly fans value Embiids contract going forward.
21/22 - $31.6m
22/23 - $33.6m
23/24 - $43.7m
24/25 - $47.2m
25/26 - $50.7m
26/27 - $54.2m
Good / Even / Negative value.
Are any worried it may become a huge Untradeable Ball n Chain in a year or 2.
I post this as I read some here claim Joel may ask for a trade next season if things go south - however I personally think in another 12 months that contract is going to be supa hard to move.

Depends on the value of USD and inflation in the future. Once bitcoin reaches around $500,000 per coin it should be cheap.

[spikeslovechild]

Maybe, maybe not.

Regardless, it’s there to illustrate how untouchable Edwards is for the Wolves.

Then the wolves shouldn't bother asking for Ben unless they can get a third team in, because the rest they have to offer makes zero sense for Philly.

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Doesn’t seem like any of the 4-5 teams who have interest in Simmons are willing to move anyone critical from their team. Not sure how that’s going to change. I mean, he’s gonna just sit. How long can they afford no production from 30-35m in cap? Do you think this stretches to the deadline? Do you think his value will somehow be higher by then?

I feel the longer this goes the lower his value gets and by some crazy chance it somehow gets into another offseason he’ll be an extremely negative contract. Not sure how long PHI can afford to string this out frankly. It’ll be interesting to follow.

Ultimately, I’m not saying the Wolves will have the 6ers preferred offer for Ben. Not trying to convince you of that because what would that accomplish? I’m saying that, as someone who follows that team closely, there is no way they’ll offer Edwards.

You don't know anything sorry. Noone here cares what Wolves fans think their team will do and watching the wolves on TV doesn't give you any additional insight into what the Wolves will do.

If you want to approach this from the standpoint this is what I believe the Wolves should do then Sixers fan can have a discussion with you but if you want to come here pretending having sort of magical insight into the FO thinking because you follow the team "closely" get out of here with that garbage. Furthermore you have no idea what those 4-5 teams are offering or how much is floating around is true or not none of us do.

I would agree that Ant is a tough ask but it's the only asset you have that should interest the Sixers

[Skates]

Minnesota isn’t giving up Edwards. They’d move KAT first.

That would be dumb.

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Maybe, maybe not.

Regardless, it’s there to illustrate how untouchable Edwards is for the Wolves.

KAT is a questionable big to build a contender around due to his weak defense (hence their interest in Simmons in the first place), he is older, more expensive and farther along in the get me the hell out of Minnesota cycle that inevitably occurs, so I could see the team being willing to move Kat and DLo at some point if Edwards continues on his projection from last year and they can't get Simmons or some other incredible defensive stopper that the team needs with KAT and DLo as two of its main cogs. KAT has the modern big man stretch game on offense, but his D is generally putrid and even when he improves it for a bit, it never lasts.

[zimpy27]

Philly get SGA, Beverley

Minny get Simmons, Reed

OKC get Maxey, Prince, Minnesota 4 FRPs, Minnesota 3 swaps


This would be the basis of an SGA trade IMO. OKC would want Maxey and picks. They would want to tank for FRPs so they wouldn't want Simmons.

I'd do this.

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Sure but why would okc do that?

They'd have to decide that they want to tank next two seasons which they can't do with SGA ascending right now. Not sure how likely it is but if they thought that way then this might be intriguing to them. Knowing Presti though, he'd probably try milk some more FRPs.

[Rastas]

Out of curiosity - how would Philly fans value Embiids contract going forward.
21/22 - $31.6m
22/23 - $33.6m
23/24 - $43.7m
24/25 - $47.2m
25/26 - $50.7m
26/27 - $54.2m
Good / Even / Negative value.
Are any worried it may become a huge Untradeable Ball n Chain in a year or 2.
I post this as I read some here claim Joel may ask for a trade next season if things go south - however I personally think in another 12 months that contract is going to be supa hard to move.

Depends on the value of USD and inflation in the future. Once bitcoin reaches around $500,000 per coin it should be cheap.

Hmmmm , maybe Ben bought into Bitcoin a few years back hence not in a hurry to report back.

[Tomjas]

That would be dumb.

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Maybe, maybe not.

Regardless, it’s there to illustrate how untouchable Edwards is for the Wolves.

KAT is a questionable big to build a contender around due to his weak defense (hence their interest in Simmons in the first place), he is older, more expensive and farther along in the get me the hell out of Minnesota cycle that inevitably occurs, so I could see the team being willing to move Kat and DLo at some point if Edwards continues on his projection from last year and they can't get Simmons or some other incredible defensive stopper that the team needs with KAT and DLo as two of its main cogs. KAT has the modern big man stretch game on offense, but his D is generally putrid and even when he improves it for a bit, it never lasts.

KAT’s defence wasn’t putrid last year

It was just average

He’s basically an uber talented version of Tobias

[Kobblehead]

SGA is 23 and locked up for 6 years. Just had an incredibly efficient breakout season. Harden was disgruntled, locked up for 2 years, and 31

Presti tried to trade SGA on draft night.

[ankle420breaker]

SGA would be a dream. Drafting him instead of Zhaire Smith would have saved us the hassle.

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[jscott]

Then the wolves shouldn't bother asking for Ben unless they can get a third team in, because the rest they have to offer makes zero sense for Philly.

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Doesn’t seem like any of the 4-5 teams who have interest in Simmons are willing to move anyone critical from their team. Not sure how that’s going to change. I mean, he’s gonna just sit. How long can they afford no production from 30-35m in cap? Do you think this stretches to the deadline? Do you think his value will somehow be higher by then?

I feel the longer this goes the lower his value gets and by some crazy chance it somehow gets into another offseason he’ll be an extremely negative contract. Not sure how long PHI can afford to string this out frankly. It’ll be interesting to follow.

Ultimately, I’m not saying the Wolves will have the 6ers preferred offer for Ben. Not trying to convince you of that because what would that accomplish? I’m saying that, as someone who follows that team closely, there is no way they’ll offer Edwards.

You don't know anything sorry. Noone here cares what Wolves fans think their team will do and watching the wolves on TV doesn't give you any additional insight into what the Wolves will do.

If you want to approach this from the standpoint this is what I believe the Wolves should do then Sixers fan can have a discussion with you but if you want to come here pretending having sort of magical insight into the FO thinking because you follow the team "closely" get out of here with that garbage.

Umm, you do realize that’s the entire point of this forum, right?