2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[Embiid P]

Hey Philly bros, Bucks bro here. We're having a hypothetical discussion over on the Bucks board about whether our users would trade Giannis for #3 if Philly offered. Where do you Philly bros stand on that sort of value?

Welcome! I think we would greatly prefer #3. I think #10 is a little bit of a low ball offer, but closer to where we would value him.

Fine #10 and a couple of our second rounders should get it done.

[LloydFree]

Hey Philly bros, Bucks bro here. We're having a hypothetical discussion over on the Bucks board about whether our users would trade Giannis for #3 if Philly offered. Where do you Philly bros stand on that sort of value?

No disrespect, but that proposal is as silly as asking the Cavaliers or Bucks to trade back to #3, for Thaddeus Young.

[worthlessBucks]

No disrespect, but that proposal is as silly as asking the Cavaliers or Bucks to trade back to #3, for Thaddeus Young.

In terms of a rebuilding team's core assets, the comparison is more like #2 for Noel or MCW on our end. But yeah, just curious as to how you guys compare Giannis and Wiggins/Parker/Exum in terms of prospects.

Thanks for the input bros.

[Xepa777]

[RiotPunch]

Fine #10 and a couple of our second rounders should get it done.

Get what done? Getting deaf in one ear from the roaring laughter on the other end of the phone line?

I, for one, said I would probably do the trade, but also stated that I believed no Sixer fan would consider it. It is a matter of us valuing Giannis much more than any other team-- just like #3 means more to you guys than it does to a lot of us.

Where do you guys think Giannis would go in this draft?

[Sixerscan]

Would probably rank him just ahead of Vonleh for the 5 spot if he was in this draft.

Of course, he's not a rookie, so he only has 3 years left on his deal. Because of that I'd probably take the top 8 besides I guess Randle over him.

He's an extremely promising talent though, don't get me wrong. Seems like a nice kid too, rooting for him.

[LloydFree]

Fine #10 and a couple of our second rounders should get it done.

Where do you guys think Giannis would go in this draft?

#8 to 14.

[MRxBLACK]

Where do you guys think Giannis would go in this draft?

Giannis as a prospect: 10-15. With some more information on him like we do now I would say a little higher.

[Embiid P]

Fine #10 and a couple of our second rounders should get it done.

Get what done? Getting deaf in one ear from the roaring laughter on the other end of the phone line?

I, for one, said I would probably do the trade, but also stated that I believed no Sixer fan would consider it. It is a matter of us valuing Giannis much more than any other team-- just like #3 means more to you guys than it does to a lot of us.

Where do you guys think Giannis would go in this draft?

#10 and Thad then? Either way, we're not giving up #3.

[76ciology]

http://www.hickory-high.com/projecting-the-2014-nba-draft/

Interesting article about using advanced stats to project the top 30 players in this draft.

I haven't seen Wiggins looking good in advanced stats. I think Wiggins is more of a guy you select on eye test. There's just something that tells you that he can be better with his athletic gifts.

But if Hinkie goes to the advanced stats route. It could make sense on the rumor of trading up with the Cavs' pick (Embiid) and Kyle Anderson. Both seems to be Hinkie type guys. Guys who have combination of great physical gifts with advanced stats to back up for it.

[51X3RF4N]

Only...

9 days until the draft!!

Or...

227 hours until the draft!!

Or...

13,620 minutes until the draft!!

Or..

817,200 seconds until the draft!!

So when you look at it that way, it'll be here before we know it! Remember over a month ago when we were all like...June 26th can't get here fast enough....and now it's almost here!

[Negrodamus]

http://www.hickory-high.com/projecting-the-2014-nba-draft/

Interesting article about using advanced stats to project the top 30 players in this draft.

I haven't seen Wiggins looking good in advanced stats. I think Wiggins is more of a guy you select on eye test. There's just something that tells you that he can be better with his athletic gifts.

But if Hinkie goes to the advanced stats route. It could make sense on the rumor of trading up with the Cavs' pick (Embiid) and Kyle Anderson. Both seems to be Hinkie type guys. Guys who have combination of great physical gifts with advanced stats to back up for it.

Jordan Adams with 1.8? Jeez, only 4 players in the top 20 over the past 10 years have had greater than 1.8 (Harden, Paul, Conley, and Irving).

What is being left out about Irving's gaudy 2.8 is that he missed the majority of the season at Duke. I'm not sure how that factors in, but it's a substantially smaller sample size.

[Kobblehead]

Where do you guys think Giannis would go in this draft?

Giannis as a prospect: 10-15. With some more information on him like we do now I would say a little higher.

I'm not sure of that. Giannis was a pretty bad basketball player this year. His PER was barely double digits.

[bebopdeluxe]

Where do you guys think Giannis would go in this draft?

Giannis as a prospect: 10-15. With some more information on him like we do now I would say a little higher.

I'm not sure of that. Giannis was a pretty bad basketball player this year. His PER was barely double digits.

I think that it is sheer madness that Bucks fans - like the guy who came here to post - think that a proposal like Giannis for #3 is actually something that should be take seriously.

Based on WHAT?

What he did before he got drafted? Based on his LUSTY 12 PER last season?

It is the same thinking that drove me f'n CRAZY that I actually had the cojones to tell them on their board that asking for the NUMBER TEN pick to move up ONE SLOT was sheer madness (and forget the Basketball Reference draft value chart that basically says - in essence - the same thing).

I think that GIannis has a lot of potential, but he is still pretty raw...which makes me LOSE MY **** when Bucks fans talk rhapsodically about Giannis having this ELITE upside as a ball handler and creator.

Wut?

Geez - how about we play him more than 20 minutes a game (which is about what they played the guy last season - even during the last two months when they were GOING NOWHERE) and see what the guy has got first...OK?

GOD - I cannot wait for June 26th to get here...so we can stop this CRAZY ish.

[ProcessDoctor]

http://www.hickory-high.com/projecting-the-2014-nba-draft/

Interesting article about using advanced stats to project the top 30 players in this draft.

I haven't seen Wiggins looking good in advanced stats. I think Wiggins is more of a guy you select on eye test. There's just something that tells you that he can be better with his athletic gifts.

But if Hinkie goes to the advanced stats route. It could make sense on the rumor of trading up with the Cavs' pick (Embiid) and Kyle Anderson. Both seems to be Hinkie type guys. Guys who have combination of great physical gifts with advanced stats to back up for it.

Jordan Adams with 1.8? Jeez, only 4 players in the top 20 over the past 10 years have had greater than 1.8 (Harden, Paul, Conley, and Irving).

What is being left out about Irving's gaudy 2.8 is that he missed the majority of the season at Duke. I'm not sure how that factors in, but it's a substantially smaller sample size.

So Adams, Smart, Anderson, Embiid, Gordon, and Parker could/should be our targets?

[Negrodamus]

http://www.hickory-high.com/projecting-the-2014-nba-draft/

Interesting article about using advanced stats to project the top 30 players in this draft.

I haven't seen Wiggins looking good in advanced stats. I think Wiggins is more of a guy you select on eye test. There's just something that tells you that he can be better with his athletic gifts.

But if Hinkie goes to the advanced stats route. It could make sense on the rumor of trading up with the Cavs' pick (Embiid) and Kyle Anderson. Both seems to be Hinkie type guys. Guys who have combination of great physical gifts with advanced stats to back up for it.

Jordan Adams with 1.8? Jeez, only 4 players in the top 20 over the past 10 years have had greater than 1.8 (Harden, Paul, Conley, and Irving).

What is being left out about Irving's gaudy 2.8 is that he missed the majority of the season at Duke. I'm not sure how that factors in, but it's a substantially smaller sample size.

So Adams, Smart, Anderson, Embiid, Gordon, and Parker could/should be our targets?

Not necessarily. However, all of them (aside from maybe Gordon, whom I don't necessary hate as a prospect) I have been singing their praises all along, even before seeing this article.

[Kobblehead]

And here comes Gary Oak (the Cavs) to swoop in and steal your choice before you have a chance to make it.

[Bling76]

http://www.hickory-high.com/projecting-the-2014-nba-draft/

Interesting article about using advanced stats to project the top 30 players in this draft.

I haven't seen Wiggins looking good in advanced stats. I think Wiggins is more of a guy you select on eye test. There's just something that tells you that he can be better with his athletic gifts.

But if Hinkie goes to the advanced stats route. It could make sense on the rumor of trading up with the Cavs' pick (Embiid) and Kyle Anderson. Both seems to be Hinkie type guys. Guys who have combination of great physical gifts with advanced stats to back up for it.

Jordan Adams with 1.8? Jeez, only 4 players in the top 20 over the past 10 years have had greater than 1.8 (Harden, Paul, Conley, and Irving).

What is being left out about Irving's gaudy 2.8 is that he missed the majority of the season at Duke. I'm not sure how that factors in, but it's a substantially smaller sample size.

So Adams, Smart, Anderson, Embiid, Gordon, and Parker could/should be our targets?

[HankTheTank]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2014-nba-draft-prospects-andrew-wiggins-julius-randle/2014/6/17/5811038/nba-draft-sam-hinkie-prospect-sixers-nerlens-noel

Dbodner, excellent article and analysis at Liberty Ballers, worth reading. Agree that it's difficult to draw conclusions based on Hinkie's sample size... Should get easier to read Hinkie with each passing year.

[Negrodamus]

"Sure, if you look at MCW and Noel in a vacuum, it looks pretty clear that Sam Hinkie places an incredible emphasis on steals. But that would be putting all of your faith in a sample size of 2, which flies in the face of the statistical principles that these guys so strongly believe in."

*3. Arsalan Kazemi averaged 2 steals a game. Still not a huge sample size, but it's there.