2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

Kobblehead · Post #3261 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:20 pm

That article is missing the point. The same point that Bodner missed when we were having the same discussion in a thread a few weeks back.

James40 · Post #3262 » by **James40** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:09 pm

Hinkie might be playing the Bucks and the Cavs but it seems the world knows how bad he wants Wiggins, not that I mind Wiggins but damn does the wire tap above have to say desperately?

PhilasFinest · Post #3263 » by **PhilasFinest** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:33 pm

James40 wrote:Hinkie might be playing the Bucks and the Cavs but it seems the world knows how bad he wants Wiggins, not that I mind Wiggins but damn does the wire tap above have to say desperately?

i really don't think its true....doesnt seem like Hinkie to allow all this "wiggins or bust" stuff to leak out.

James40 · Post #3264 » by **James40** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:42 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:
James40 wrote:Hinkie might be playing the Bucks and the Cavs but it seems the world knows how bad he wants Wiggins, not that I mind Wiggins but damn does the wire tap above have to say desperately?

i really don't think its true....doesnt seem like Hinkie to allow all this "wiggins or bust" stuff to leak out.

It would be a great play by Hinkie if he doesn't want Wiggins, he would be one helluva poker player if that's the case. My guess is a deal is already done with Milwaukee and Wiggins will be drafted by the Sixers, or no deal at all because the Bucks want Parker and Wiggins slips to us.

mksp · Post #3265 » by **mksp** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:43 pm

James40 wrote:Hinkie might be playing the Bucks and the Cavs but it seems the world knows how bad he wants Wiggins, not that I mind Wiggins but damn does the wire tap above have to say desperately?

Keith Pompey is not a very good beat.

PhilasFinest · Post #3266 » by **PhilasFinest** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:43 pm

all the reporters are just salty that theres no media coverage for his workout and there out chasing his car.

James40 · Post #3267 » by **James40** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:52 pm

mksp wrote:
James40 wrote:Hinkie might be playing the Bucks and the Cavs but it seems the world knows how bad he wants Wiggins, not that I mind Wiggins but damn does the wire tap above have to say desperately?

Keith Pompey is not a very good beat.

He isn't the only one saying it.

This beat writer stuff is ridiculous, it's not like Wiggins is going to give out Nuclear launch codes or something, they have jobs to do as well.

PhilasFinest · Post #3268 » by **PhilasFinest** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:03 pm

Vonleh is working out Thursday.

James40 · Post #3269 » by **James40** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:47 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:Vonleh is working out Thursday.

That is awesome, I swear I was going to ask about him, it's why I came back to this thread, anyway do you think his value may have risen due to how Diaw changed the Spurs in these playoffs? Not that everyone can run Pop's system but seeing what Diaw can contribute, Vonleh really might be a guy to trade for with that 10 pick. He's what 6'9" - 6'10" in sneakers, long arms, he can shoot, and play defense. He looks like he can add another 20lbs if he had to, he doesn't carry his weight like Parker does.

I still love Gordon with Parker but Vonleh might be the best to go along with Wiggins, if we got Wiggins of course.

PhilasFinest · Post #3270 » by **PhilasFinest** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:56 pm

I don't think Diaw and Vonleh are similar at all..
Diaw passes like a point guard, spaces the floor and plays within himself.

Vonleh has some upside for sure, but I don't see him having the vision/passing ability that Diaw has.
If he reaches his potential, he's likely a Raptors-Chirs Bosh like PF.
If he doesn't, he's likely a Kurt Thomas like big imo.

Aaron Gordon is likely the best passing/handling PF in this draft...but I'm not sure he's even on Diaws level in that category.

James40 · Post #3271 » by **James40** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:05 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:I don't think Diaw and Vonleh are similar at all..
Diaw passes like a point guard, spaces the floor and plays within himself.

Vonleh has some upside for sure, but I don't see him having the vision/passing ability that Diaw has.
If he reaches his potential, he's likely a Raptors-Chirs Bosh like PF.
If he doesn't, he's likely a Kurt Thomas like big imo.

Aaron Gordon is likely the best passing/handling PF in this draft...but I'm not sure he's even on Diaws level in that category.

Passing wise no, but with some work maybe? Vonleh can spread the floor a little more than Gordon, probably a lot more since Gordon doesn't have much of a jump shot, plus Vonleh can probably sub at the 5 when needed. I'm not saying Vonleh is going to be a star, I think Gordon has that over him, (ESPN dunk wise) but I think he can be effective player.

PhilasFinest · Post #3272 » by **PhilasFinest** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:55 pm

James40 wrote:
PhilasFinest wrote:I don't think Diaw and Vonleh are similar at all..
Diaw passes like a point guard, spaces the floor and plays within himself.

Vonleh has some upside for sure, but I don't see him having the vision/passing ability that Diaw has.
If he reaches his potential, he's likely a Raptors-Chirs Bosh like PF.
If he doesn't, he's likely a Kurt Thomas like big imo.

Aaron Gordon is likely the best passing/handling PF in this draft...but I'm not sure he's even on Diaws level in that category.

Passing wise no, but with some work maybe? Vonleh can spread the floor a little more than Gordon, probably a lot more since Gordon doesn't have much of a jump shot, plus Vonleh can probably sub at the 5 when needed. I'm not saying Vonleh is going to be a star, I think Gordon has that over him, (ESPN dunk wise) but I think he can be effective player.

Oh no doubt....I like Vonleh and think he can be a very very solid PF in the league(Raptors Bosh was a 20-10 Allstar).....I just don't think he's going to be a Boris Diaw/Play making 4 dishing no look passes on drives.

Post #3273 » by **dbodner** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:33 pm

mksp wrote:
James40 wrote:Hinkie might be playing the Bucks and the Cavs but it seems the world knows how bad he wants Wiggins, not that I mind Wiggins but damn does the wire tap above have to say desperately?

Keith Pompey is not a very good beat.

It's worth noting that Keith Pompey didn't use the word 'desperate' in his article at all. Click the source, don't go by the RealGM wiretap headline.

ProcessDoctor · Post #3274 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:09 pm

I think Kyle Anderson is more Boris Diaw than Vonleh is. Aaron Gordon is a unique player too...gosh this draft is so stacked. I used to think it was just a top 6-8 but even past 8 there's still solid talent. Anderson, McDermott, LaVine, Adams, Saric, Nurkic. I don't know if there's a scenario where I'm disappointed next Thursday.

Mik317 · Post #3275 » by **Mik317** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:19 pm

sixers238 wrote:I think Kyle Anderson is more Boris Diaw than Vonleh is. Aaron Gordon is a unique player too...gosh this draft is so stacked. I used to think it was just a top 6-8 but even past 8 there's still solid talent. Anderson, McDermott, LaVine, Adams, Saric, Nurkic. I don't know if there's a scenario where I'm disappointed next Thursday.

You know you just **** up, right?

INB4

Trading the Pick for some old over the hill Vet and taking Isiah Austin at 10.

ProcessDoctor · Post #3276 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:24 pm

Mik317 wrote:
sixers238 wrote:I think Kyle Anderson is more Boris Diaw than Vonleh is. Aaron Gordon is a unique player too...gosh this draft is so stacked. I used to think it was just a top 6-8 but even past 8 there's still solid talent. Anderson, McDermott, LaVine, Adams, Saric, Nurkic. I don't know if there's a scenario where I'm disappointed next Thursday.

You know you just **** up, right?

INB4

Trading the Pick for some old over the hill Vet and taking Isiah Austin at 10.

Lol maybe an exaggeration. It's unlikely I'm disappointed next Thursday. Come to think of it I'd actually be upset if we traded out of the top 3.

Eyeamok · Post #3277 » by **Eyeamok** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:59 pm

dbodner wrote:
mksp wrote:
James40 wrote:Hinkie might be playing the Bucks and the Cavs but it seems the world knows how bad he wants Wiggins, not that I mind Wiggins but damn does the wire tap above have to say desperately?

Keith Pompey is not a very good beat.

It's worth noting that Keith Pompey didn't use the word 'desperate' in his article at all. Click the source, don't go by the RealGM wiretap headline.

Good catch. More controversy leads to more time on the site reading and writing responses, which leads to more eyeballs, which leads to more exposure to banner pages, which leads to more clicks, which leads to more automatic responses to certain brands or impulse buying, which leads to more $$$$$$

Agnostifarian · Post #3278 » by **Agnostifarian** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:22 pm

Raging wildfires...

Post #3279 » by **dbodner** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:03 am

Kobblehead wrote:That article is missing the point. The same point that Bodner missed when we were having the same discussion in a thread a few weeks back.

I'm not missing the point. I acknowledge the point. We just disagree on how much to weight both a sample size of 2 as well as what happened in Houston.

Post #3280 » by **dbodner** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:04 am

Negrodamus wrote:"Sure, if you look at MCW and Noel in a vacuum, it looks pretty clear that Sam Hinkie places an incredible emphasis on steals. But that would be putting all of your faith in a sample size of 2, which flies in the face of the statistical principles that these guys so strongly believe in."

*3. Arsalan Kazemi averaged 2 steals a game. Still not a huge sample size, but it's there.

I actually mentioned Kazemi further down in the article. But I should have included him there as well.