Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread)

[Agnostifarian]

I will be impressed if Sonny C can convince KD to visit PHI at the new practice facility with his old college trainer. I'd even call him Bryan.

[hawkguy]

Sixers should taste the playoffs.

[Agnostifarian]

Here's an "Oh, ****!" thought... If you suspect that the Colangelos are narcissists, does Sonny C make a deal with TOR to bring Valanciunas and Lowry to PHI in exchange for Sam's Bounty? Sonny has shown blind love for his draft picks (Bargnani) and overpays vets (Kapono/Calderon)... He could piss away Okafor/TJ/LAL pick/RC3,... and really put his signature on the team.

Is this what Philly has been waiting for?

http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/raptors/2012/12/14/rating_raptors_gm_bryan_colangelos_moves.html

Actually, it's a really bad summary of what happened (in the link). It was a lot worse.

Sonny C has no investment in anything that has happened in Philly over the last three years. He is going to clean house.

I expect that he will keep JoJo because his trade value is low and he still has a high ceiling. I think he will clear out Okafor and Noel. If he drafts Simmons, I think you can kiss Saric goodbye.

This is the pinnacle of the Colangelo Legacy. Ownership sucks. This is a clown show. Bryan Will keep running his mouth and the local media is going to eat it up. Welcome to the shortcut to the middle.

I went back looking for the "Bryan Colangelo Thread" looking for this one and found a number of others which generally spring up after he talks to the press. (There are a number of them as he is a talker.) Perhaps a Moderator could combine the threads and rename them as something like, "Bryan Colangelo's Tenure in PHI." Anyway,...

So, I pulled a few of my own quotes to point out how suspicious I was of Bryan coming in and setting fire to the house Hinkie has been building over the last three years. However, I come not to praise Hinkie, or even to bury him. Bryan Colangelo gets an A+ from me so far. He said he would continue on a measured pace and that he would add veteran leadership to help develop this young collection of players.

I love the draft picks at #24 and #26. Luwawa and Korkmaz are great choices. They are long, two way wings. One comes this year and the other is a stash.

Bryan hasn't forced a trade of a big man yet. He seems content upon letting the market come to PHI which is prudent.

Bryan has also added a few perimeter vets in Rodriguez, Bayless and Henderson that can mentor our kids without damaging future cap space.

I am very relieved by these developments. Simmons, Saric and Rodriquez should allow Brett Brown to implement his Pace & Pass system and the defensive potential of Embiid, Noel, Grant, Simmons and Luwawu could be fantastic. I am looking forward to watching this young core develop.

Two more things I hope Bryan does: First, keep flexibility to add two max deals in the summer of 2017 and second, keep the LAL and SAC picks/swap rights.

So, I apologize to Bryan. He's doing great and not responsible for picking his father. I still dislike ownership and look forward to the day they sell the team.

[PhillyRocks1]

I think people seriously underestimate how hard it is to build a "championship" contender/ dynasty. Its talked about here like its a simple process that takes a few years of sucking and BOOM, you draft X,Y,Z and put them in a blender with cap space and have a dynasty.

Its simply rare.You need so many things to go right and luck to fall into your lap on more than 1 occasion.
Hinkie may have had patience and a "plan", but that plan simply revolved around getting lucky. The Process could seriously have taken 20 years depending on how things bounced in there favor.

Yes there are some good GM's out there who get things right more often then not, but theres a select group of them and they aren't readily available.

But you have to acknowledge that getting a top pick in the draft for multiple years will add a potential superstar talent that we simply cannot allure in FA. So, yes, you do need to get lucky, but there are ways to minimize the luck. Having the ability to choose anyone in this upcoming draft will reduce luck. "The Rape of Sacramento" trade will reduce luck. Adding more picks (Thunder/Heat even though they didn't turn out great) reduces luck.

On top of all that, Hinkie had shown he can find talent. MCW was ROY. Jerami Grant, Covington, TJ McConnell. I mean, those guy are NBA players. Hinkie found them because he was flexible with the roster and didn't sign a bunch of post prime vets to appease the NBA.

I do agree that it's a crapshoot, but a GM can certainly stack the odds in their favor. Hinkie did that.

A big part of winning 10 games is because, yes, he found what maybe could be 8th, 9th and 10th players on a good nba roster.

[Negrodamus]

I think people seriously underestimate how hard it is to build a "championship" contender/ dynasty. Its talked about here like its a simple process that takes a few years of sucking and BOOM, you draft X,Y,Z and put them in a blender with cap space and have a dynasty.

Its simply rare.You need so many things to go right and luck to fall into your lap on more than 1 occasion.
Hinkie may have had patience and a "plan", but that plan simply revolved around getting lucky. The Process could seriously have taken 20 years depending on how things bounced in there favor.

Yes there are some good GM's out there who get things right more often then not, but theres a select group of them and they aren't readily available.

But you have to acknowledge that getting a top pick in the draft for multiple years will add a potential superstar talent that we simply cannot allure in FA. So, yes, you do need to get lucky, but there are ways to minimize the luck. Having the ability to choose anyone in this upcoming draft will reduce luck. "The Rape of Sacramento" trade will reduce luck. Adding more picks (Thunder/Heat even though they didn't turn out great) reduces luck.

On top of all that, Hinkie had shown he can find talent. MCW was ROY. Jerami Grant, Covington, TJ McConnell. I mean, those guy are NBA players. Hinkie found them because he was flexible with the roster and didn't sign a bunch of post prime vets to appease the NBA.

I do agree that it's a crapshoot, but a GM can certainly stack the odds in their favor. Hinkie did that.

A big part of winning 10 games is because, yes, he found what maybe could be 8th, 9th and 10th players on a good nba roster.

Okay? But we also found a 6'9 SF who is a solid defender and can drain threes. He will be a major contributor on a contending team. Jerami Grant is another solid find. We don't know what we have yet in Richaun Holmes, but it's promising. Same with TJ McConnell. I wouldn't dismiss those guys as end of bench NBA players yet.

And Hinkie wasn't trying to win. I thought that was amply clear. Now we have a Ben Simmons to show for that.

[SixersR1]

I honestly feel like BC has made all the right moves thus far and couldn't be more impressed with his patience which is one area I didn't give him any credit for at all. I truly figured he would sell low on our bigs to clear the logjam, trade our future assets for veteran allstar types, and we would roll into next season winning the 6th seed while the local reporters hailed him as a savior for the drastic turn-around. This was my biggest fear, and thankfully I was wrong.

Honestly I'm not sure what moves BC has made that Hinkie wouldn't have, so I have a bit of a "what was the point" kind of attitude about that situation, but it feels like we're still headed in the exact same direction which I love. If I had to say one thing to BC, it would be to stay the course and trust the "process", because you're predecessor laid out a path to a dynasty that will make you look like the genius you hope to be.

[MatthewGeigerII]

“[Winning] does lead you to want to explore other opportunities that might accelerate where we are in this. It gives us some opportunity to explore some big deals,” Colangelo told Brian Seltzer of Sixers.com. “We may be one of the only teams in the league that’s prepared with the resources and the assets to acquire a star level player.”

Is he gonna do it?

[BigSleep333]

he should. but i hope its butler or mccollum and not melo. if its melo, i hope he doesnt include one of the picks

[76ers]

There's no way he trades for Melo, and Melo doesn't wanna leave NY anyway.

If BC was that dumb enough to trade for Melo, I'd seriously be pissed.

[Sixerscan]

They're not trading for Melo.

[phiphan]

I hope he's not already getting impatient.

[jbent87]

I wouldn't rule this out. That Melo/NYK thing is gonna end badly. If there's any legs to NY liking Okafor you better believe there's a conversation being had.

[Renegade_H]

When we lose the next two games without Embiid, he will realize we are not ready for a playoff push. He's gaining my trust.

He will lose it if he makes a drastic move.

I wouldn't rule this out. That Melo/NYK thing is gonna end badly. If there's any legs to NY liking Okafor you better believe there's a conversation being had.

Yeah he may want to be involved; but as a third team.

[jbent87]

When we lose the next two games without Embiid, he will realize we are not ready for a playoff push. He's gaining my trust.

He will lose it if he makes a drastic move.

I wouldn't rule this out. That Melo/NYK thing is gonna end badly. If there's any legs to NY liking Okafor you better believe there's a conversation being had.

Yeah he may want to be involved; but as a third team.

Love that.

Melo to "win now" team x.
Okafor/stuff to NYK
pick/young guard to PHI

[the_process]

When we lose the next two games without Embiid, he will realize we are not ready for a playoff push. He's gaining my trust.

He will lose it if he makes a drastic move.

I wouldn't rule this out. That Melo/NYK thing is gonna end badly. If there's any legs to NY liking Okafor you better believe there's a conversation being had.

Yeah he may want to be involved; but as a third team.

Love that.

Melo to "win now" team x.
Okafor/stuff to NYK
pick/young guard to PHI

Melo and Noel to BOS
BKN 1st, Okafor, salary filler to NYK
Crowder, NYK 1st, salary filler to PHI

[jbent87]

When we lose the next two games without Embiid, he will realize we are not ready for a playoff push. He's gaining my trust.

He will lose it if he makes a drastic move.



Yeah he may want to be involved; but as a third team.

Love that.

Melo to "win now" team x.
Okafor/stuff to NYK
pick/young guard to PHI

Melo and Noel to BOS
BKN 1st, Okafor, salary filler to NYK
Crowder, NYK 1st, salary filler to PHI

guess this would be the only scenario where I could see a rebuilding team give up their lottery pick in a salary dump deal since theyre bringing that BKN pick back.. Still looks weird though.

[the_process]

So... the Sixers are sitting out Embiid for a couple of games.

Gives some showcase burn to Jah and the expirings (Gio, Hendo, Arsen), plus possibly Noel.

Also adds a couple more losses to the tally sheet, in case they were interested in the lotto this year.

It's almost like "moves that Hinkie would make".

[the_process]

Love that.

Melo to "win now" team x.
Okafor/stuff to NYK
pick/young guard to PHI

Melo and Noel to BOS
BKN 1st, Okafor, salary filler to NYK
Crowder, NYK 1st, salary filler to PHI

guess this would be the only scenario where I could see a rebuilding team give up their lottery pick in a salary dump deal since theyre bringing that BKN pick back.. Still looks weird though.

You can erase the Okafor and Knick pick part out, or you can top 10 protect that pick, or just make it a 2018 Knick 1st.

[phiphan]

Porzingis is basically as good a fit with Okafor as anyone.

[Unbreakable99]

There is no way Melo is coming to the Sixers. None. No GM would be that dumb. So far BC has done a good job. If he does accelerate it and trades the picks it will only be for George or Butler