Noel's Trade Value is at its Highest Now

XDevilBoiX · Post #341 » by **XDevilBoiX** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:12 pm

I don't really see that many FA to max out that would help this team. You would have to think the Sixers are not one of the top destinations for FA to sign so resigning Noel is the best way to go. I do not want to see them sign guys like Sergio or Henderson, rather give time to young guys or rookies to develop.

Of the Sixers FAs I wanna see back are Noel and Ersan. And they won't hurt our cap space for the next 3-4 years.

Arsenal · Post #342 » by **Arsenal** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:12 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
agiaco wrote:I want to keep Nerlens. Always have. Even if he's backup Embiid up I'm fine with paying him a lot this off-season. If he's motivated and we have the right guys around him, Noel is a big asset to this team. It was just a cloudy future when he was apparently so disgruntled.

Saying you are fine paying him isn't actually an argument for paying him. The problem I have is this team has two basically starters right now Simmons and Embiid. Everyone else is backup quality including Noel.

We need that money to bring in FA. We don't have the luxury of maxing Noel.

No we don't need that money to bring in FA. We have $65M in open cap space and can create even more than that if we want. We can EASILY re-sign Noel and STILL bring in 2 other stud free agents.

Noel has improved every year. He's on track to be just as good or even better than DeAndre Jordan in the near future. Therefore he will still have major value, even if he gets the MAX, if he continues to improve.

dkj5061 · Post #343 » by **dkj5061** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:48 pm

Arsenal wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
agiaco wrote:I want to keep Nerlens. Always have. Even if he's backup Embiid up I'm fine with paying him a lot this off-season. If he's motivated and we have the right guys around him, Noel is a big asset to this team. It was just a cloudy future when he was apparently so disgruntled.

Saying you are fine paying him isn't actually an argument for paying him. The problem I have is this team has two basically starters right now Simmons and Embiid. Everyone else is backup quality including Noel.

We need that money to bring in FA. We don't have the luxury of maxing Noel.

No we don't need that money to bring in FA. We have $65M in open cap space and can create even more than that if we want. We can EASILY re-sign Noel and STILL bring in 2 other stud free agents.

Noel has improved every year. He's on track to be just as good or even better than DeAndre Jordan in the near future. Therefore he will still have major value, even if he gets the MAX, if he continues to improve.

To add on to that, I also think we won't have to pay him a max to get him. The salary cap is going to be fairly significantly lower than teams originally projected for next year, which has already knocked several teams out of max contract cap space. Combine that with a fairly strong FA class and I think Noel could potentially be signed for a more reasonable price than people are expecting.

Arsenal · Post #344 » by **Arsenal** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:07 pm

dkj5061 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
Saying you are fine paying him isn't actually an argument for paying him. The problem I have is this team has two basically starters right now Simmons and Embiid. Everyone else is backup quality including Noel.

We need that money to bring in FA. We don't have the luxury of maxing Noel.

No we don't need that money to bring in FA. We have $65M in open cap space and can create even more than that if we want. We can EASILY re-sign Noel and STILL bring in 2 other stud free agents.

Noel has improved every year. He's on track to be just as good or even better than DeAndre Jordan in the near future. Therefore he will still have major value, even if he gets the MAX, if he continues to improve.

To add on to that, I also think we won't have to pay him a max to get him. The salary cap is going to be fairly significantly lower than teams originally projected for next year, which has already knocked several teams out of max contract cap space. Combine that with a fairly strong FA class and I think Noel could potentially be signed for a more reasonable price than people are expecting.

I agree with this. I actually expect us to get him for ~ $20M per year, which should make him a nice trade chip in the future if/when necessary.

dkj5061 · Post #345 » by **dkj5061** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:23 pm

Arsenal wrote:
dkj5061 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
No we don't need that money to bring in FA. We have $65M in open cap space and can create even more than that if we want. We can EASILY re-sign Noel and STILL bring in 2 other stud free agents.

Noel has improved every year. He's on track to be just as good or even better than DeAndre Jordan in the near future. Therefore he will still have major value, even if he gets the MAX, if he continues to improve.

To add on to that, I also think we won't have to pay him a max to get him. The salary cap is going to be fairly significantly lower than teams originally projected for next year, which has already knocked several teams out of max contract cap space. Combine that with a fairly strong FA class and I think Noel could potentially be signed for a more reasonable price than people are expecting.

I agree with this. I actually expect us to get him for ~ $20M per year, which should make him a nice trade chip in the future if/when necessary.

You're a smart man. It cracks me up when people say that we won't be able to afford to pay Simmons, Embiid, and Noel plus other players. If Noel hasn't been traded for value by the time Simmons contract extension rolls around in 3 years, then BC hasn't done his job.

Sportfan73 · Post #346 » by **Sportfan73** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 7:04 am

Chase Lowry right out of the gate. There is no one else I want to give close to max money to. I see jrue getting overpaid. After those 2 match Nerlens and let's go.

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mithrandir17 · Post #347 » by **mithrandir17** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 11:56 am

Sportfan73 wrote:Chase Lowry right out of the gate. There is no one else I want to give close to max money to. I see jrue getting overpaid. After those 2 match Nerlens and let's go.

I'm not sure if I want to tie up our capspace to lowry for the max contract until he is 34 yrs old. His cap numbers would be 36M, 37.8M, 39.6M and 41.4M. If we match max offer to Nerlens, that is already 50M for just 2 players and we are not yet sure if we can compete with Cleveland for the next 4 years.

bedjawII · Post #348 » by **bedjawII** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 1:11 pm

mithrandir17 wrote:
Sportfan73 wrote:Chase Lowry right out of the gate. There is no one else I want to give close to max money to. I see jrue getting overpaid. After those 2 match Nerlens and let's go.

I'm not sure if I want to tie up our capspace to lowry for the max contract until he is 34 yrs old. His cap numbers would be 36M, 37.8M, 39.6M and 41.4M. If we match max offer to Nerlens, that is already 50M for just 2 players and we are not yet sure if we can compete with Cleveland for the next 4 years.

Don't worry about competing with Cleveland. It would quite ok to use cap space on Lowry (or anyone else) even if we don't compete during their contract. This team will be competitive as long as JE and BS are playing and the trick will be to find another "max guy" to filter in. We have about 10 years with these two guys in their prime. They will have a changing cast surrounding them. No problem in starting now and seeing who fits where with these two. What you can't do is blow cap space on guys who just aren't worth it. Lowry is worth it, fills a need nd should be an impact player through the life of a 5 year deal.

SparksFly87 · Post #349 » by **SparksFly87** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 1:24 pm

Come on!!! Chill with tryna max out these aging free agents. Unless they are superstars forget about it! Build through the draft and develop the talent we have.

Ericb5 · Post #350 » by **Ericb5** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 3:34 pm

Arsenal wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
agiaco wrote:I want to keep Nerlens. Always have. Even if he's backup Embiid up I'm fine with paying him a lot this off-season. If he's motivated and we have the right guys around him, Noel is a big asset to this team. It was just a cloudy future when he was apparently so disgruntled.

Saying you are fine paying him isn't actually an argument for paying him. The problem I have is this team has two basically starters right now Simmons and Embiid. Everyone else is backup quality including Noel.

We need that money to bring in FA. We don't have the luxury of maxing Noel.

No we don't need that money to bring in FA. We have $65M in open cap space and can create even more than that if we want. We can EASILY re-sign Noel and STILL bring in 2 other stud free agents.

Noel has improved every year. He's on track to be just as good or even better than DeAndre Jordan in the near future. Therefore he will still have major value, even if he gets the MAX, if he continues to improve.

Deandre Jordan is a much better rebounder than Noel. Jordan is elite, and Noel is fairly mediocre. As a rim protector, I'm with you though.

Sportfan73 · Post #351 » by **Sportfan73** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 3:41 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Come on!!! Chill with tryna max out these aging free agents. Unless they are superstars forget about it! Build through the draft and develop the talent we have.

Lowry is the best point guard in the east. And most definitely the best player we have a chance at out right signing in the next couple years.

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Bum Adebayo · Post #352 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 4:15 pm

Arsenal wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
agiaco wrote:I want to keep Nerlens. Always have. Even if he's backup Embiid up I'm fine with paying him a lot this off-season. If he's motivated and we have the right guys around him, Noel is a big asset to this team. It was just a cloudy future when he was apparently so disgruntled.

Saying you are fine paying him isn't actually an argument for paying him. The problem I have is this team has two basically starters right now Simmons and Embiid. Everyone else is backup quality including Noel.

We need that money to bring in FA. We don't have the luxury of maxing Noel.

No we don't need that money to bring in FA. We have $65M in open cap space and can create even more than that if we want. We can EASILY re-sign Noel and STILL bring in 2 other stud free agents.

Noel has improved every year. He's on track to be just as good or even better than DeAndre Jordan in the near future. Therefore he will still have major value, even if he gets the MAX, if he continues to improve.

Even better than Deandre Jordan? so you mean strength doesn't matter at all? 50 pounds of difference is irrelevant?
Jordan has an incredible combo of athleticism AND strength, Noel... not so much.

agiaco · Post #353 » by **agiaco** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 4:33 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
agiaco wrote:I want to keep Nerlens. Always have. Even if he's backup Embiid up I'm fine with paying him a lot this off-season. If he's motivated and we have the right guys around him, Noel is a big asset to this team. It was just a cloudy future when he was apparently so disgruntled.

Saying you are fine paying him isn't actually an argument for paying him. The problem I have is this team has two basically starters right now Simmons and Embiid. Everyone else is backup quality including Noel.

We need that money to bring in FA. We don't have the luxury of maxing Noel.

Noel is a starter on a lot of teams. We just happen to have Embiid. I have no issue with Maxing Noel even if he's coming off the bench. We'll be set for bigs for years to come and the two can share some minutes and even play together a bit down the road potentially.

Arsenal · Post #354 » by **Arsenal** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 4:39 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
Saying you are fine paying him isn't actually an argument for paying him. The problem I have is this team has two basically starters right now Simmons and Embiid. Everyone else is backup quality including Noel.

We need that money to bring in FA. We don't have the luxury of maxing Noel.

No we don't need that money to bring in FA. We have $65M in open cap space and can create even more than that if we want. We can EASILY re-sign Noel and STILL bring in 2 other stud free agents.

Noel has improved every year. He's on track to be just as good or even better than DeAndre Jordan in the near future. Therefore he will still have major value, even if he gets the MAX, if he continues to improve.

Deandre Jordan is a much better rebounder than Noel. Jordan is elite, and Noel is fairly mediocre. As a rim protector, I'm with you though.

Agree that Jordan is a better rebounder now, however when he was 22 he was basically the same as Noel is in his current (age 22) season. Noel is a better passer, better ball-thief, and more mobile also. Overall, Noel is a better player than Jordan at the same age and is still trending upward.

Arsenal · Post #355 » by **Arsenal** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 4:41 pm

bedjawII wrote:
mithrandir17 wrote:
Sportfan73 wrote:Chase Lowry right out of the gate. There is no one else I want to give close to max money to. I see jrue getting overpaid. After those 2 match Nerlens and let's go.

I'm not sure if I want to tie up our capspace to lowry for the max contract until he is 34 yrs old. His cap numbers would be 36M, 37.8M, 39.6M and 41.4M. If we match max offer to Nerlens, that is already 50M for just 2 players and we are not yet sure if we can compete with Cleveland for the next 4 years.

Don't worry about competing with Cleveland. It would quite ok to use cap space on Lowry (or anyone else) even if we don't compete during their contract. This team will be competitive as long as JE and BS are playing and the trick will be to find another "max guy" to filter in. We have about 10 years with these two guys in their prime. They will have a changing cast surrounding them. No problem in starting now and seeing who fits where with these two. What you can't do is blow cap space on guys who just aren't worth it. Lowry is worth it, fills a need nd should be an impact player through the life of a 5 year deal.

Agree that Lowry is one of the few free agents who is worth a MAX. He's been sensational this year. And it would only be a 4 year deal, so we'd have him from age 31-34. Sure it would probably be an overpay the last 2 years, however this team would be an instant contender next year by adding Lowry.

SouthJersey · Post #356 » by **SouthJersey** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 5:10 pm

The Sixers have so much cap space, I can't believe there is a worry about resigning Noel. They resign Noel, they are not risking losing Embiid, Simmons, or any young players they already have. This is the NBA. You keep you young players that help you win by resigning them, especially when you have more draft picks coming in on a rookie contract. Maybe 5 years down the road, you start looking at moving contracts, but not before then.

Sportfan73 · Post #357 » by **Sportfan73** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 5:13 pm

Arsenal wrote:
bedjawII wrote:
mithrandir17 wrote:
I'm not sure if I want to tie up our capspace to lowry for the max contract until he is 34 yrs old. His cap numbers would be 36M, 37.8M, 39.6M and 41.4M. If we match max offer to Nerlens, that is already 50M for just 2 players and we are not yet sure if we can compete with Cleveland for the next 4 years.

Don't worry about competing with Cleveland. It would quite ok to use cap space on Lowry (or anyone else) even if we don't compete during their contract. This team will be competitive as long as JE and BS are playing and the trick will be to find another "max guy" to filter in. We have about 10 years with these two guys in their prime. They will have a changing cast surrounding them. No problem in starting now and seeing who fits where with these two. What you can't do is blow cap space on guys who just aren't worth it. Lowry is worth it, fills a need nd should be an impact player through the life of a 5 year deal.

Agree that Lowry is one of the few free agents who is worth a MAX. He's been sensational this year. And it would only be a 4 year deal, so we'd have him from age 31-34. Sure it would probably be an overpay the last 2 years, however this team would be an instant contender next year by adding Lowry.

Lowry is the right guy for this team, is from here, and has a great relationship with BC. There couldn't be a better fit. Also his catch and shoot numbers have just continued to get better and better. He would thrive with Ben. Sure we could get a better player by trading half of our assets, but we could keep all of our assets and acquire Lowry. Then if we made a trade it would literally be to become a contender.

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AI_Efficiency · Post #358 » by **AI_Efficiency** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 10:48 pm

Can we offer Covington an extension this summer. I think he's in the last year of his deal next year. With him seemingly improving each year I wonder if it makes sense to try and lock him up longterm this summer rather than let him play out his last year.

Arsenal · Post #359 » by **Arsenal** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 10:53 pm

AI_Efficiency wrote:Can we offer Covington an extension this summer. I think he's in the last year of his deal next year. With him seemingly improving each year I wonder if it makes sense to try and lock him up longterm this summer rather than let him play out his last year.

Absolutely yes. If we aren't able to land a big fish (e.g. Lowry) and have cap room to spare, the best use of it would be to Renegotiate and Extend Covington. We give him a lot more money ($20M?) next season, then get him for much less the 3-4 seasons after that. That way he's locked in for a bargain contract (ala Jae Crowder) in the future when we need to pay the big bucks to Embiid and everyone else.

AI_Efficiency · Post #360 » by **AI_Efficiency** » Wed Feb 1, 2017 10:59 pm

Arsenal wrote:
AI_Efficiency wrote:Can we offer Covington an extension this summer. I think he's in the last year of his deal next year. With him seemingly improving each year I wonder if it makes sense to try and lock him up longterm this summer rather than let him play out his last year.

Absolutely yes. If we aren't able to land a big fish (e.g. Lowry) and have cap room to spare, the best use of it would be to Renegotiate and Extend Covington. We give him a lot more money ($20M?) next season, then get him for much less the 3-4 seasons after that. That way he's locked in for a bargain contract (ala Jae Crowder) in the future when we need to pay the big bucks to Embiid and everyone else.

Yea this is what I was thinking if it's possible.

Which option do you prefer?