Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[Negrodamus]

soooooooooo are people jumping back on the max Jimmy train?

They still need to try and squeeze him for some giveback, leverage the playing some PG on a winning team thing... but it certainly doesn't look like it's going to be much.

If we make it out of this round, it's going to be on the back of Jimmy. I don't think we'll be able to squeeze him for anything. Tobias, yes. We will need to decide if Jimmy is GOING TO BE worth the massive contract he'll get.

[mithrandir17]

Would jimmy and tobias accept a max contract but declining over the term of their contract?

[HartfordWhalers]

Would jimmy and tobias accept a max contract but declining over the term of their contract?

Just to put the numbers in context: a 4 year deal increasing the max starting at 28m is basically the same amount of money as a 35m deal declining the max.

Put another way, a declining deal is 80% of an actual max deal.

[youngcrev]

I think the only point of contention with Jimmy will be years. He's undoubtedly going to get max offers.

With the amount of teams that have cap space... I expect Tobias to get max offers as well

[the_process]

Tobias is not worth a max. So if they think he's getting a max deal somewhere, then IMO the Sixers would be better off just renouncing him (and Redick and all other FA's not named Jimmy Butler) and using the resulting ~37M in cap space. And after that they would also get the Room MLE to add another piece.

[BullyKing]

Regularly scheduled reminder that saying someone isn't worth the "max" without consideration of which "max" they are eligible for or consideration of the team's overall cap situation is useless.

[rzzzzz]

The change in this discussion from who we should acquire to how much we should pay who we got bodes well for the rest do the season.

[sixers hoops]

Would jimmy and tobias accept a max contract but declining over the term of their contract?

Just to put the numbers in context: a 4 year deal increasing the max starting at 28m is basically the same amount of money as a 35m deal declining the max.

Put another way, a declining deal is 80% of an actual max deal.

You lost me.

Hartford: Let me explain it to you like an 8 year old.

Me: Why don’t you explain it to me like I’m 5.

[sixers hoops]

Getting a SG who can shoot at a good clip and defend well would take this team to another level imo. I would dump Redick and focus on getting one of Lamb, KCP, Ross, Bullock, Hood, Ellington etc and pair them with the big four.

That’s my hope.

Out of those available, who do you think would gel with the big four the best SH?

I haven’t watched too much non-Sixers ball this year, so I don’t have a strong opinion. They all seem like 37-38% shooters, but looking at their stats aren’t all above average shooters from deep. Since nobody in the group is a tier one sniper, I’d probably want to strongly consider age and who is the strongest defender of the group.

Lamb, KCP, and Hood are all 26. KCP is an okay off the ball, corner three guy, but only has one season over 35% from three. Rodney Hood’s shooting hasn’t been very good since leaving Utah and was rendered unplayable in Cleveland at one point. And Lamb is a career 34% from 3. Don’t think any of them provide the shooting to be a good fit.

Ellington will be turn 32 at the beginning of the season and can’t defend.

Ross and Bullock are both in their prime, about 27. Willing defenders. They both have height for the position. I would be excited for either. However, I feel like Bullock is realistically attainable, and he has the mental toughness, catch-and-shoot skills, and defensive versatility to fit with our lineup. Not sure how good a defender he is, but likely a huge upgrade from JJ. And wouldn’t he likely come cheaper than Ross?

[sixers hoops]

Run it back and add Pat Beverley.

The next 4 years it's a wrap.

How would we keep the current players and still get a player who should command the type of salary that Beverly will command?

Doesn’t seem realistic.

[Foshan]

76ers Offseason situation

Spoiler:

Projected Cap
2019/20 Cap - $109,000,000; Tax - $132,000,000; Apron - $138,000,000
2020/21 Cap - $118,000,000; Tax - $143,000,000; Apron - $149,000,000

Locked in Cap (19/20)

Embiid - $27,504,630
Harris (cap hold) - $22,200,00
Simmons - $8,111,930
J.Simmons - $1,000,000 (bought out)
Smith - $3,058,800
Ennis* - $1,845,301
Bolden - $1,698,450
Incomplete roster charge (up to 12 (6 * $831,311)) - $4,156,555
Total - $67,445,974

*Player option (assume he opts in)

Total available cap space assuming Butler isn’t signed is approximately $41,554,026.

Re-sign Tobias Harris to whatever you can (likely max - using bird rights)

Cap Space Options

Roster before additions;

Embiid, Bolden
Harris
Ennis
Smith
Simmons

Signing Durant/Khawhi Max (35%) - $38,150,000

Assume used the difference to sign Patton beforehand, sign Milton to the minimum.

As unlikely as it is signing Durant/Khawhi leaves you paper thin on the bench. However you would have the room mid-level exception (“RMLE”) ($4.45M - 2 year contracts) available.

Embiid, Bolden, Patton
Durant/Khawhi,
Harris, Milton
Ennis, Smith
Simmons

Leaves RMLE, 1st Rd, 2nd Rd (multiple) & veteran minimum required to fill out remaining 6 roster spots. Unlikely Redick re-signs for the RMLE.

Potential RMLE options;

Beverly
Lamb
Scott
Mbah a Moute
Tolliver
Dedmon
Joseph

You simply sign Durant/Khawhi if they want to, they’re that good. No other player is worth signing over Butler and operating as an over the cap team especially if the owner’s are willing to pay the tax.

Bench Depth (Using the cap space to sign 3-5 role players)

Available cap space - $40,554,026
Re-sign Redick 2-3 years 8-12M per year
Potential Free Agents Signings;

Morris (either)
Green
Temple
J.Green
Aminu
Bogdanovic
Evans
Carrol
Ariza
Johnson
Lamb

Potential RMLE options;

Beverly
Lamb
Scott
Mbah a Moute
Tolliver
Dedmon
Ellington

I don’t think this would be the best option. Plenty of teams with cap space and it’ll be likely you’ll need to overpay these guys to get them anyway. Also, there’s no guarantee you’ll sign 2-3 of them.

Retaining Jimmy Butler

Operating as an over the cap team has its advantages as it pertains to building depth. It allows you to bring back all the guys on the existing team (bird rights) plus use the exceptions to add depth. The 76ers would have the non-taxpayer mid-level exception ($8.64M - 4 year contract) plus the Bi-annual exception ($3.38M - 2 year contracts) available if they remain below the apron ($138,000,000).

Potential Squad;

Embiid (27.5), Marjanovic (4), Patton (3)
Harris* (32.7), Scott (4), Bolden (1.7)
Butler** (38.15), Ennis (1.8)
Redick (10), Smith (3.06), Milton (1.4)
Simmons (8.1), McConnell (2)

*30% max
**35% max

Assuming the above numbers puts you at $137.4M about $5.4M above the tax before using the final two roster spots. This means you’d be only allowed to use the Taxpayer mid-level exception ($5.34M - 3 year contracts) as using the full MLE would take you over the Apron and would be illegal. Might be able to us the full MLE & Bi-annual if you can get Butler, Redick and Harris to take less. Using these exceptions (MLE & Bi-annual) means the team would be hard capped at $138,000,000 for the 2019/20 season.

Totally just bumping this post from page 3, because of all the money specifics spelled out. **edit** bumping for my own reference later, hence leaving it as a spoiler so as not to fill the page.

[BullyKing]

Run it back and add Pat Beverley.

The next 4 years it's a wrap.

How would we keep the current players and still get a player who should command the type of salary that Beverly will command?

Doesn’t seem realistic.

Beverley will definitely get offered more than the full non-taxpayer MLE but it wouldn't be the most shocking thing in the world if he took it anyway. The more surprising thing would be if he took it from us.

[the_process]

Would jimmy and tobias accept a max contract but declining over the term of their contract?

Just to put the numbers in context: a 4 year deal increasing the max starting at 28m is basically the same amount of money as a 35m deal declining the max.

Put another way, a declining deal is 80% of an actual max deal.

You lost me.

Hartford: Let me explain it to you like an 8 year old.

Me: Why don’t you explain it to me like I’m 5.

A "max deal" that's declining is not a max deal.

[sixers hoops]

soooooooooo are people jumping back on the max Jimmy train?

They still need to try and squeeze him for some giveback, leverage the playing some PG on a winning team thing... but it certainly doesn't look like it's going to be much.

If we make it out of this round, it's going to be on the back of Jimmy. I don't think we'll be able to squeeze him for anything. Tobias, yes. We will need to decide if Jimmy is GOING TO BE worth the massive contract he'll get.

Yeah. People keep saying Josh Harris is a billionaire so pay everyone the max. Josh Harris will likely pay the luxury tax and invest to build a champion, but he isn’t going to walk around shooting money out of a t-shirt cannon. There will be expectations of some sort of financial discipline for future team flexibility, and to avoid the insane penalties that would come with building a $200 million roster.

There are players out there on contracts that are franchise crippling. If we were winning titles, then you could more easily hand out these contracts. Does Josh Harris want to lock into deep luxury commitments for a team that can’t get passed the second round? And should we want him locking into those contracts?

Ultimately, I want to take into consideration, could I feasibly move this player in two years if it all falls apart. You don’t want the John Wall, Bradley Beal, Otto Porter, and company $150 million five seed.

We really need to build a bench and good teams often don’t lock in super expensive bench players. However, if we operate over the cap and give the highest bid for Jimmy, Tobias, JJ, Mike Scott, Ennis, a new shooting guard with the exception, a new backup center instead of Monroe or Boban, and add Ben’s extension, I feel like we could be moving into unrealistic territory.

I haven’t had time to run the numbers on everyone, but I feel like Elton has quite a challenge of putting a contender together, while maintaining some fiscal sanity.

[sixers hoops]

76ers Offseason situation

Spoiler:

Projected Cap
2019/20 Cap - $109,000,000; Tax - $132,000,000; Apron - $138,000,000
2020/21 Cap - $118,000,000; Tax - $143,000,000; Apron - $149,000,000

Locked in Cap (19/20)

Embiid - $27,504,630
Harris (cap hold) - $22,200,00
Simmons - $8,111,930
J.Simmons - $1,000,000 (bought out)
Smith - $3,058,800
Ennis* - $1,845,301
Bolden - $1,698,450
Incomplete roster charge (up to 12 (6 * $831,311)) - $4,156,555
Total - $67,445,974

*Player option (assume he opts in)

Total available cap space assuming Butler isn’t signed is approximately $41,554,026.

Re-sign Tobias Harris to whatever you can (likely max - using bird rights)

Cap Space Options

Roster before additions;

Embiid, Bolden
Harris
Ennis
Smith
Simmons

Signing Durant/Khawhi Max (35%) - $38,150,000

Assume used the difference to sign Patton beforehand, sign Milton to the minimum.

As unlikely as it is signing Durant/Khawhi leaves you paper thin on the bench. However you would have the room mid-level exception (“RMLE”) ($4.45M - 2 year contracts) available.

Embiid, Bolden, Patton
Durant/Khawhi,
Harris, Milton
Ennis, Smith
Simmons

Leaves RMLE, 1st Rd, 2nd Rd (multiple) & veteran minimum required to fill out remaining 6 roster spots. Unlikely Redick re-signs for the RMLE.

Potential RMLE options;

Beverly
Lamb
Scott
Mbah a Moute
Tolliver
Dedmon
Joseph

You simply sign Durant/Khawhi if they want to, they’re that good. No other player is worth signing over Butler and operating as an over the cap team especially if the owner’s are willing to pay the tax.

Bench Depth (Using the cap space to sign 3-5 role players)

Available cap space - $40,554,026
Re-sign Redick 2-3 years 8-12M per year
Potential Free Agents Signings;

Morris (either)
Green
Temple
J.Green
Aminu
Bogdanovic
Evans
Carrol
Ariza
Johnson
Lamb

Potential RMLE options;

Beverly
Lamb
Scott
Mbah a Moute
Tolliver
Dedmon
Ellington

I don’t think this would be the best option. Plenty of teams with cap space and it’ll be likely you’ll need to overpay these guys to get them anyway. Also, there’s no guarantee you’ll sign 2-3 of them.

Retaining Jimmy Butler

Operating as an over the cap team has its advantages as it pertains to building depth. It allows you to bring back all the guys on the existing team (bird rights) plus use the exceptions to add depth. The 76ers would have the non-taxpayer mid-level exception ($8.64M - 4 year contract) plus the Bi-annual exception ($3.38M - 2 year contracts) available if they remain below the apron ($138,000,000).

Potential Squad;

Embiid (27.5), Marjanovic (4), Patton (3)
Harris* (32.7), Scott (4), Bolden (1.7)
Butler** (38.15), Ennis (1.8)
Redick (10), Smith (3.06), Milton (1.4)
Simmons (8.1), McConnell (2)

*30% max
**35% max

Assuming the above numbers puts you at $137.4M about $5.4M above the tax before using the final two roster spots. This means you’d be only allowed to use the Taxpayer mid-level exception ($5.34M - 3 year contracts) as using the full MLE would take you over the Apron and would be illegal. Might be able to us the full MLE & Bi-annual if you can get Butler, Redick and Harris to take less. Using these exceptions (MLE & Bi-annual) means the team would be hard capped at $138,000,000 for the 2019/20 season.

Totally just bumping this post from page 3, because of all the money specifics spelled out. **edit** bumping for my own reference later, hence leaving it as a spoiler so as not to fill the page.

As I was just writing my post, you posted these supporting documents for me. Some serious simpatico moderation.

[ProcessDoctor]

Run it back and add Pat Beverley.

The next 4 years it's a wrap.

How would we keep the current players and still get a player who should command the type of salary that Beverly will command?

Doesn’t seem realistic.

Beverley will definitely get offered more than the full non-taxpayer MLE but it wouldn't be the most shocking thing in the world if he took it anyway. The more surprising thing would be if he took it from us.

I think if we offered him a full 4-year, $40 mil MLE he would at least look our way.

I agree he'll get better offers, but it will just come down to his priorities. I think he'll see himself as a fit with our group.

[sixers hoops]

Just to put the numbers in context: a 4 year deal increasing the max starting at 28m is basically the same amount of money as a 35m deal declining the max.

Put another way, a declining deal is 80% of an actual max deal.

You lost me.

Hartford: Let me explain it to you like an 8 year old.

Me: Why don’t you explain it to me like I’m 5.

A "max deal" that's declining is not a max deal.

Referring to starting a max in year 1 and declining the maximum declining percentage each season?

I could see Jimmy considering that but not sure. Jimmy struggles to find situations that make him happy. If he likes it here, it seems possible. He doesn’t have your classic Versace taste.

[the_process]

76ers Offseason situation

Spoiler:

Projected Cap
2019/20 Cap - $109,000,000; Tax - $132,000,000; Apron - $138,000,000
2020/21 Cap - $118,000,000; Tax - $143,000,000; Apron - $149,000,000

Locked in Cap (19/20)

Embiid - $27,504,630
Harris (cap hold) - $22,200,00
Simmons - $8,111,930
J.Simmons - $1,000,000 (bought out)
Smith - $3,058,800
Ennis* - $1,845,301
Bolden - $1,698,450
Incomplete roster charge (up to 12 (6 * $831,311)) - $4,156,555
Total - $67,445,974

*Player option (assume he opts in)

Total available cap space assuming Butler isn’t signed is approximately $41,554,026.

Re-sign Tobias Harris to whatever you can (likely max - using bird rights)

Cap Space Options

Roster before additions;

Embiid, Bolden
Harris
Ennis
Smith
Simmons

Signing Durant/Khawhi Max (35%) - $38,150,000

Assume used the difference to sign Patton beforehand, sign Milton to the minimum.

As unlikely as it is signing Durant/Khawhi leaves you paper thin on the bench. However you would have the room mid-level exception (“RMLE”) ($4.45M - 2 year contracts) available.

Embiid, Bolden, Patton
Durant/Khawhi,
Harris, Milton
Ennis, Smith
Simmons

Leaves RMLE, 1st Rd, 2nd Rd (multiple) & veteran minimum required to fill out remaining 6 roster spots. Unlikely Redick re-signs for the RMLE.

Potential RMLE options;

Beverly
Lamb
Scott
Mbah a Moute
Tolliver
Dedmon
Joseph

You simply sign Durant/Khawhi if they want to, they’re that good. No other player is worth signing over Butler and operating as an over the cap team especially if the owner’s are willing to pay the tax.

Bench Depth (Using the cap space to sign 3-5 role players)

Available cap space - $40,554,026
Re-sign Redick 2-3 years 8-12M per year
Potential Free Agents Signings;

Morris (either)
Green
Temple
J.Green
Aminu
Bogdanovic
Evans
Carrol
Ariza
Johnson
Lamb

Potential RMLE options;

Beverly
Lamb
Scott
Mbah a Moute
Tolliver
Dedmon
Ellington

I don’t think this would be the best option. Plenty of teams with cap space and it’ll be likely you’ll need to overpay these guys to get them anyway. Also, there’s no guarantee you’ll sign 2-3 of them.

Retaining Jimmy Butler

Operating as an over the cap team has its advantages as it pertains to building depth. It allows you to bring back all the guys on the existing team (bird rights) plus use the exceptions to add depth. The 76ers would have the non-taxpayer mid-level exception ($8.64M - 4 year contract) plus the Bi-annual exception ($3.38M - 2 year contracts) available if they remain below the apron ($138,000,000).

Potential Squad;

Embiid (27.5), Marjanovic (4), Patton (3)
Harris* (32.7), Scott (4), Bolden (1.7)
Butler** (38.15), Ennis (1.8)
Redick (10), Smith (3.06), Milton (1.4)
Simmons (8.1), McConnell (2)

*30% max
**35% max

Assuming the above numbers puts you at $137.4M about $5.4M above the tax before using the final two roster spots. This means you’d be only allowed to use the Taxpayer mid-level exception ($5.34M - 3 year contracts) as using the full MLE would take you over the Apron and would be illegal. Might be able to us the full MLE & Bi-annual if you can get Butler, Redick and Harris to take less. Using these exceptions (MLE & Bi-annual) means the team would be hard capped at $138,000,000 for the 2019/20 season.

Totally just bumping this post from page 3, because of all the money specifics spelled out. **edit** bumping for my own reference later, hence leaving it as a spoiler so as not to fill the page.

It's very difficult to give 5-188 (approximate value of their full max deals) contracts to both Tobias and Jimmy and still stay under the apron. Which means they will not get the full MLE or the BAE. Which means they aren't adding any meaningful depth.

[sixers hoops]

Just to put the numbers in context: a 4 year deal increasing the max starting at 28m is basically the same amount of money as a 35m deal declining the max.

Put another way, a declining deal is 80% of an actual max deal.

You lost me.

Hartford: Let me explain it to you like an 8 year old.

Me: Why don’t you explain it to me like I’m 5.

A "max deal" that's declining is not a max deal.

Actually after reading the post Hartford was responding to it makes sense. I didn’t see the question about declining annual salary, which threw me off.

So it wouldn’t make sense for Jimmy to do the five year declining. So I think Mir’s follow up question would then be would Jimmy accept a four year deal from the Sixers? I think the answer is that he likely would if we pass this round. I think he likes it here, and opportunity to win a title and enjoy his teammates likely plays a very large factor in Jimmy’s decision.

[sixers hoops]

How would we keep the current players and still get a player who should command the type of salary that Beverly will command?

Doesn’t seem realistic.

Beverley will definitely get offered more than the full non-taxpayer MLE but it wouldn't be the most shocking thing in the world if he took it anyway. The more surprising thing would be if he took it from us.

I think if we offered him a full 4-year, $40 mil MLE he would at least look our way.

I agree he'll get better offers, but it will just come down to his priorities. I think he'll see himself as a fit with our group.

Beverly is an extremely competitive individual. I’m not sure what his career earnings have looked like so far, but I definitely see us as a team that would appeal to him. Some players have $50+ million in the bank and are able to prioritize winning. Some need to address their financial security.