The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread

[stormi]

If you want to replace doc..
1.) Carlisle, one of my fave coaches
2.) Pop, he may want to get out of there
3.) Some disciplinarian that scare straight our guys when they play without energy

What's with infatuation of chasing geriatric legacy coaches.

[sixers4real]

We have:
- Morey, top executive - never won a title, all about winning, always talks about it
- Embiid, top 5 NBA player - never won a title, all about winning, always talks about it
- Harden, former MVP, a Robin to our batman, never won a title, mostly all about winning, talks all the right things
- Glenn Rivers, always talks that he is champion, always shameless.

Find the odd man out.

[mjkvol]

What is The Indy coaches deal at (Rick Carlisle?) dude coaches Dirk to a chip, I really think that’s the model we need to run with Embiid at the 4 with a rebounder/dunker next to him. I think Reed or Bassey could even be that guy with a full training camp to work on it together.

Been saying this. But people still can’t recover from their trauma with Al Horford.

Again, its not because of Horford. It’s because of Josh Richardson and Ben Simmons, the worst shooting backcourt of all time.

You replace that backcourt with Maxey and Harden. Then you also factor Tobi and Embiid’s improve shooting.

People forget that part of the difficulty to defend Harden’s drive was because of a lob threat like Capela where opponent’s rim protector is at a bad position on defense. And without a lob threat, he played a 4 out offense with the center at the 3pt arc (tucker)

Now, whenever Harden drives, Embiid’s man (achiuwa) or corner shooter (siakam) just collapsed on Harden. How can his shot not be blocked repeatedly?

Harden was no Giannis or LeBron just driving and dunking over guys

Someone gets this. I think you can add Dantoni as a solid coach that could do better as well. He had the Nets humming last year until the injuries happened and left Durant on his own. Dantoni also nearly toppled the greatest team assembled. Doc is not using the pieces he has with Bassey and Reed because he doesn’t know the strengths of the individuals and how to maximize them in offensive sets collectively.

Agree with this, which also goes a long way in explaining his playoff meltdowns over the years. Being unable to adjust and use your roster to change things that aren't working and maximize the players on the floor is essentially the team having one hand behind its back.

[the_process]

This guy is gone after this season barring a miraculous eastern conference finals appearance and good riddance. Except for when he had an insanely good Celtics roster he never gets the best out of his players when it matters most. D'antoni, Vogel, or Quinn Snyder, to name just a few, would be an upgrade. Even on the current staff I would rather give Sam or Dave Joerger a shot.

Either promote Cassell, or go after Quin Snyder. JMO.

Snyder??
Check his play off record last 5 seasons and blown opportunities..his bad adjustment trying to contain Luka with Bogdanovic on him..took all offensive energy from Boggie and he scored like 2pts or something in game 5 after averaging like 25ppg in first three games of the series..you tell me you take 20ppg from your team with hope Luka will score 25-30less with Bogdanovic guarding him?? common..Better get Voegel..Carlisle..than Snyder..

Well, really the only coach the Sixers will hire if Glenn is no longer the coach would be MDA. So the rest is just idle chatter. Gotta do something while the Titanic is sinking.

[76ciology]

If you want to replace doc..
1.) Carlisle, one of my fave coaches
2.) Pop, he may want to get out of there
3.) Some disciplinarian that scare straight our guys when they play without energy

What's with infatuation of chasing geriatric legacy coaches.

Specific kind of coach for specific kind of situation. Call it specialists..

[SixthStreet]

I think D'Antoni would be a good choice to optimize Harden. He would find a way to weaponize this version of Harden that can't score at the rim which is pretty critical. I personally think he's hurt but if he's not they are going to have to solve the problem.

[spikeslovechild]

I maybe the only one on this board who respects Doc but I am old school. I respect basketball lifers and sort of take Shaqs stance Doc has helped with the timeout plays and every player has praised his gameplan. Embiid is just gassed and injured and Harden isn't the same guy.

Not Docs fault players got to play.

[VDT]

People were also blaming Brown before him.
Not that he has been great but when this team loses to the Hawks or might be the first team that will lose with a 3-0 afvantage its not just the coach. Its not even mostly the coach. Embiid and the team still cant deal with the double teams very well and they fold against the first sign of adversity. It's hard to see how they will win a title playing that soft.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

If you want to replace doc..
1.) Carlisle, one of my fave coaches
2.) Pop, he may want to get out of there
3.) Some disciplinarian that scare straight our guys when they play without energy

This last one simply does not exist in pro sports any more. You may have had an edgy hard nosed get in your face and scream type of coach back as late as the early 90s, but that really doesn't exist today. These players are not only getting paid more than the coach, they're millionaires...Rich people. You yell at them or discipline them these days and it's going to be Ben Simmons all over again. Sure they are competitors and the coach is there to lead, but the whole disciplinarian thing is most likely more of a conjuring straight out of hollywood and ESPN films than anything else. With that said I do think Doc is hard on certain players on this team. He especially really seems to have it out for Shake and Paul Reed. He seems to leave the vets alone though and let them do their thing. I think a more well prepared coach who really study's and dissects the game and how it's played would be good. Then again, I'm not sure how much work Doc puts in. He does seem very arrogant at times, but he probably feels entitled at this point due to his longevity. I'm not going to argue about him though. If we lose this series he absolutely should never be allowed to coach in the NBA ever again. People are saying that Embiid should own this if we lose and while I agre ewith that, I think Doc will have to answer for it as well. Those that don't want him here will get their wish if we lose this series. The team would be absolutely out of their minds to keep him if he led this collapse. I can see it happening, so can the rest of the universe at this point. I've seen a few posts out of about 1,000 that say that we can still win this thing. This has got to be the most pressure Doc has felt in his entire coaching career.

[76ciology]

Doc played it well this game.

Sixers zoned up from the tip and to the entire first half. Which is completely different to how they played in the last 5 games.

By second half, they changed it to man to man. Suddenly sixers got more energy, siakam struggles adapting and Raps can’t get OReb.

[mjkvol]

Doc played it well this game.

Sixers zoned up from the tip and to the entire first half. Which is completely different to how they played in the last 5 games.

By second half, they changed it to man to man. Suddenly sixers got more energy, siakam struggles adapting and Raps can’t get OReb.

Whoever was calling the defensive game plan tonight nailed it from the start, and kept the Raptors off balance all night. A key in the second half was throwing doubles at Siakam as soon as he touched the ball, forcing it out of his hands.

[spikeslovechild]

People were also blaming Brown before him.
Not that he has been great but when this team loses to the Hawks or might be the first team that will lose with a 3-0 afvantage its not just the coach. Its not even mostly the coach. Embiid and the team still cant deal with the double teams very well and they fold against the first sign of adversity. It's hard to see how they will win a title playing that soft.

I do notice this team seems to be much more organized out of timeouts since Doc and he holds guys accountable but there is only so much a coach can do. Players gotta play.

[spikeslovechild]

Doc played it well this game.

Sixers zoned up from the tip and to the entire first half. Which is completely different to how they played in the last 5 games.

By second half, they changed it to man to man. Suddenly sixers got more energy, siakam struggles adapting and Raps can’t get OReb.

Whoever was calling the defensive game plan tonight nailed it from the start, and kept the Raptors off balance all night. A key in the second half was throwing doubles at Siakam as soon as he touched the ball, forcing it out of his hands.

One of the keys to me was leaving Barnes open and packing the paint which sort of took away the middle of the zone.

[rzzzzz]

We have:
- Morey, top executive - never won a title, all about winning, always talks about it
- Embiid, top 5 NBA player - never won a title, all about winning, always talks about it
- Harden, former MVP, a Robin to our batman, never won a title, mostly all about winning, talks all the right things
- Glenn Rivers, always talks that he is champion, always shameless.

Find the odd man out.

Ben

[elchengue20]

Senile Doc forgot to take the starters out winning by 25+ and with less than 5 minutes to go.

That basic mistake will get us eliminated and he should be fired.

Also, like others have sayed, it was obvious he needed a player like Reed in the Playoffs but he keep going with fosilized DAJ instead of givim him much necessary playing time to grow. Thats its unbeliavable and shoudnt be forgotten.

[HartfordWhalers]

Hiring him before hiring Morey remains a mistake.
Hiring him remains a mistake. Would love to see a move on this summer. Or a championship to prove me wrong.

[Mik317]

Doc sucks but also doesn't suck as much as we think.

I feel like we have been having the "bu-but the rotations doe" conversation for over twenty years lol.

And again if/when Doc leaves, the job will probably be MDAs for the taking. Not exactly a guy with a much better pedigree than Doc....also super old lol. Unless Jay Wright's retirement was an ironically Darryl esque move IDK if there is an obvious better coach that can take this team to the next level. Doc has relented and is playing BBall Paul. The two bad games were more on Harden not showing up and Embiid being in his feelings than anything Doc did or didn't do and the few adjustments Doc made in game 6 all worked out. He lowkey outcoached Nurse who is a better tactician (and complainer wakka wakka) but it seems like it simply comes down to talent at the end of the day at some point (Brett also outcoached him but I think I have strucken most of that series from memory lol).

Also continuity is super important too. Bud was on his way to getting fired prior to last years run for the Bucks....for a lot of the same issues Doc has lol. Doc is an old man stuck in his ways for sure and it would be nice to have a guy who can gameplan and all that fun stuff...but I think this core is beyond that and unless Biid wants him out...who cares at this stage. Lets focus on getting the rest of the roster up to snuff, rather than bringing in yet another coach to solve problems.

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah, I think Doc is here to stay (unless he agrees to leave for another job). One of the big reasons I want Doc to stay is to keep his staff. Cassell, Burke, and Joerger are awesome and have been great for the development of our players. I want Sam Cassell mentoring Maxey for as long as possible.

Feels like we keep him for a few years and then promote one of the awesome assistants on his staff to HC.

[elchengue20]

Doc sucks but also doesn't suck as much as we think.

I feel like we have been having the "bu-but the rotations doe" conversation for over twenty years lol.

And again if/when Doc leaves, the job will probably be MDAs for the taking. Not exactly a guy with a much better pedigree than Doc....also super old lol. Unless Jay Wright's retirement was an ironically Darryl esque move IDK if there is an obvious better coach that can take this team to the next level. Doc has relented and is playing BBall Paul. The two bad games were more on Harden not showing up and Embiid being in his feelings than anything Doc did or didn't do and the few adjustments Doc made in game 6 all worked out. He lowkey outcoached Nurse who is a better tactician (and complainer wakka wakka) but it seems like it simply comes down to talent at the end of the day at some point (Brett also outcoached him but I think I have strucken most of that series from memory lol).

Also continuity is super important too. Bud was on his way to getting fired prior to last years run for the Bucks....for a lot of the same issues Doc has lol. Doc is an old man stuck in his ways for sure and it would be nice to have a guy who can gameplan and all that fun stuff...but I think this core is beyond that and unless Biid wants him out...who cares at this stage. Lets focus on getting the rest of the roster up to snuff, rather than bringing in yet another coach to solve problems.

Agreed, still, i like to point out the many mistakes that he makes.Especially the ones that are obvious.


But yes, I don't think coaching is the main problem with this team. And in turn, I'm not sure that a hypothetical replacement will be better. That is the biggest question mark.

For example, MDA is also old and never won ****, and it's a bit too opinionated for my liking.

Wright has never coached in the NBA, that could take 1 or 2 years of adjustement and we have no time to waste.

[mjkvol]

I don't want MDA, but I'd be thrilled with Joerger or Burke.