76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[Negrodamus]

I'm standing by my darkhorse: Keldon Johnson

They have longterm answers at SG/SF/PF in Vassell, Sochan, Branham. Arguably Wemby is a PF. He's taking the second most shots when he's really not as good as Vassell.

I could see them wanting to move on for picks and possible win now pieces like Melton or one of the vets we just brought in.

I don't want it, but I could see Morey being allured by a 24 year old SF/PF who scores 22ppg.

What intrigues you most about him (besides him being a former Cat). Banking on age and physical traits?

Feels like a low-iq athlete with all of the natural tools.

If you look at the charts of the worst FG% on drives, worst catch and shoot 3P%, worst 3P% on meaningful volume he's near the tops of the list. Also a very lazy defender.

On the flip side, very good at attacking close-outs and slashing / finishing through contact.

Significantly less intriguing than Branham, Sochan and Vassell especially imo.

I’m not interested in him, he’s just an archetype that I think will intrigue Morey. Mostly off ball, but has the numbers stats and age to be intriguing.

[Arsenal]

This is why getting the best "3rd guy" is so important. Joel is about 75% of himself once the playoffs start, I agree length will bother Maxey... so who's that 3rd guy that can really take advantage once the good defensive teams have made their adjustments against Jo and Tyrese?

Who was the 3rd guy on Denver last year? Aaron Gordon or Michael Porter.
On the Warriors the year before? Jordan Poole or Andrew Wiggins

This talk of needing a 3rd guy is overblown. For all his issues Tobias Harris is just as good as any of the guys I just mentioned.

The real key was those teams ran a modern motion offense where everyone shares the ball, cuts, and finds the open man, instead of non-stop stagnant ISO-ball as we did under Glenn.

Now the new coach has put in a similar offense, which should lead to everyone being more effective come playoff time.

I was nodding my head along with you until I got here. Tobias is proportionally an equivalent dropper to Joel Embiid once we enter the second round. Not only does he create zero defensive advantages. He struggles to finish around the rim against playoff length and set defenses, shoots abhorrent percentages, can't create for anyone else and the hitch in his release rears it's ugly head back to the world.

Tobias in five separate post season runs has yet to match what Poole did in his first (scoring/creating/passing) or what Wiggins did in that championship run absolutely tilting the floor against the Celtics which his phenomenal defense against Jayson Tatum and rebounding. He was the second best player in the finals.

Gordon is an elite rebounder/defender/finisher at the rim. MPJ is maybe the best shooter / movement shooter / contested shot maker in basketball and on high volume.

Tobias is a jack of all trades guy, but elite tools win out when it matters most.

Those guys were all considered career losers until they were put in the right system. They're all role players. It's hindsight bias to now claim they're such good players just because they happened to be on a championship team.

Furthermore we're talking offense when talking about the "3rd guy." Because the real 3rd best player on GS was Draymond Green if you're talking about defense also. Or Bruce Brown for DEN.

I stand by my statement that Tobias Harris is on their level. Which fits with my larger point that we need to build a strong team and not blindly stack "stars" when that's not what the last champions have done.

[Mik317]

again how much of LaVine's flaws are due to him having to be the guy for long stretches of time and generally having poor defensive centers behind him?

again I think the Wiggins comp is apt here....he was a dude called a bust damn near and then he went to GS and slotted into a system that allowed him as scale down

[M2J]

This is why getting the best "3rd guy" is so important. Joel is about 75% of himself once the playoffs start, I agree length will bother Maxey... so who's that 3rd guy that can really take advantage once the good defensive teams have made their adjustments against Jo and Tyrese?

Who was the 3rd guy on Denver last year? Aaron Gordon or Michael Porter.
On the Warriors the year before? Jordan Poole or Andrew Wiggins

This talk of needing a 3rd guy is overblown. For all his issues Tobias Harris is just as good as any of the guys I just mentioned.

The real key was those teams ran a modern motion offense where everyone shares the ball, cuts, and finds the open man, instead of non-stop stagnant ISO-ball as we did under Glenn.

Now the new coach has put in a similar offense, which should lead to everyone being more effective come playoff time.

I was nodding my head along with you until I got here. Tobias is proportionally an equivalent dropper to Joel Embiid once we enter the second round. Not only does he create zero defensive advantages. He struggles to finish around the rim against playoff length and set defenses, shoots abhorrent percentages, can't create for anyone else and the hitch in his release rears it's ugly head back to the world.

Tobias in five separate post season runs has yet to match what Poole did in his first (scoring/creating/passing) or what Wiggins did in that championship run absolutely tilting the floor against the Celtics which his phenomenal defense against Jayson Tatum and rebounding. He was the second best player in the finals.

Gordon is an elite rebounder/defender/finisher at the rim. MPJ is maybe the best shooter / movement shooter / contested shot maker in basketball and on high volume.

Tobias is a jack of all trades guy, but elite tools win out when it matters most.

Lavine gets near 4- 5 assists every year and is the top option. But both he and Maxey are great off the ball, and that's a good thing. In this style offense, he can thrive with his shooting and athletic ability. The lesser load allows him to do more on defense. The injury prone has not been an issue in recent years.

There's a ton of players that may become available in the future, but not this year and Zach is arguably the best that will be available. I'd rather him than even Mitchell at this point in terms of fit

[Negrodamus]

Not to sound like a broken record, but if the longterm plan is to start Oubre, I think Kyle Anderson is a great 5th starter. Two way player who isn’t much of a scorer but is an excellent passer and secondary ball handler. Switchable on defense. Kinda starting slow for the TWolves.

[ProcessDoctor]

Derozan seems like a reasonable bandaid for this year if he won't cost too much at the deadline.

Morris/Korkmaz/House/two-three 2nds for Derozan.


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Derozan/Melton/Smith
Batum/Oubre/Martin
Harris/Covington/(buyout)
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

[Monix]

They have longterm answers at SG/SF/PF in Vassell, Sochan, Branham.

they've committed to Vassell and he's at least done it in a small sample but Sochan & Branham are "longterm answers"?

only if the question is "name 2 guys who haven't done ****"

[76ciology]

Not to sound like a broken record, but if the longterm plan is to start Oubre, I think Kyle Anderson is a great 5th starter. Two way player who isn’t much of a scorer but is an excellent passer and secondary ball handler. Switchable on defense. Kinda starting slow for the TWolves.

Yeah, thats what I told Stormi. Morey is referring to Li Kaier

[76ciology]

If Lavine will buy into Nurse system. Lavine and Maxey’s dribble drive will be hard to stop. Lavine is also secured with his $40M per year contract, he wont have that belief that he’s not a system player and he’s the system.

[76ciology]

Another guy who can be available is Cam Johnson. Nets have a surplus of 3&D guys.

[M2J]

Another guy who can be available is Cam Johnson. Nets have a surplus of 3&D guys.

That would be fine, but they should first throw every asset at Bridges to see if they can get him loose. He's totally not an untouchable player, but is perfection as a 3rd option. Especially in this system.

Even if they have to wait until draft day when more assets become available, that would be THE homerun. Now, on the downside, they may require Philly to take Ben back

[Skates]

Best move of the season was clearly replacing Doc with Nick Nurse.

Quiet second best move was not only sending out Harden, but dumping PJ Tucker from slowing the team down this year and clearing more salary space for next year. That was huge.

[76ciology]

Best move of the season was clearly replacing Doc with Nick Nurse.

Quiet second best move was not only sending out Harden, but dumping PJ Tucker from slowing the team down this year and clearing more salary space for next year. That was huge.

Yeah.

But I dont think you can play this style with Harden being stationary and Tucker at the 4. We sort of played this style last season when Harden sat out games and we have Shake Milton playing with Maxey at the backcourt. If you remember a lot of people here says we had a better flow on offense back then.

another plus is we have a trade exemption of around 9-10M with dumping Tucker, if im not mistaken

[stormi]

Tobias in five separate post season runs has yet to match what Poole did in his first (scoring/creating/passing) or what Wiggins did in that championship run absolutely tilting the floor against the Celtics which his phenomenal defense against Jayson Tatum and rebounding. He was the second best player in the finals.

Gordon is an elite rebounder/defender/finisher at the rim. MPJ is maybe the best shooter / movement shooter / contested shot maker in basketball and on high volume.

Tobias is a jack of all trades guy, but elite tools win out when it matters most.

Wow, that is a pretty charitable assessment of MPJ

For the record, last year Tobi and MPJ had identical 31% EFG when shooting highly contested (defender closer than 2 feet) jumpers (> 10 ft).

MPJ shot over 50% from the corner last season and an absurd 62.1% on contested catch & shoot jumpers in the playoffs on volume. Last season he also ranked 1st percentile in shot quality shooting 41.4% on 7.3 attempts per game.

Tobias Harris is not in the conversation with the elite jumbo marksmen in this league, Lauri is another one. Tobias is gunshy. Puts the ball on the floor and dribbles himself into chaos if you make him uncomfortable. He also can't slash or finish at the rim like MPJ.

He's the off-brand version in most categorical metrics. He's probably better at bringing "good vibes" and statpadding in regular season trivial clashes against teams like the Wizards and Hornets though, if that's what we care about the most.

Tobias against the Sixers 4 hardest opponents (2019 TOR, 2020 and 2023 BOS, 2022 MIA):
37.2 mpg (24 games)
14.3 ppg
26.8% 3P%
50.6% TS%

Tobias when he was asked simply to stand in the corner, get out of better players' way and be valve release with our best roster of the century and a streamlined path to the finals:

Watch on YouTube

And that's while Embiid had to mark SIakam defensively because he fed Tobias a swift 30 in game 1. I feel like a ball of negativity here, but it just blows my mind that every single year fans watch Tobias put up the same cute regular season act and then jump back on the train of overwhelming hope and belief. He is his traits, and your traits never lie. Is he an elite athlete? No. Can he shut down opposing stars? No. The best case scenario in achieving anything with him performing a significant role would be on the off chance that he, not only goes unconscious from 3, but he's not afraid to pull them when it matters most.

I will say however he is vital to picking up wins in the regular season / round 1. He's a valuable foot soldier, relatively consistent and his health record is impeccable.

[elchengue20]

Yep, Tobias is off to a great start of the season but you cant bank on him doing the same thing in the Playoffs against the tougher teams. He just isnt that guy.

Porter Jr is one of the best catch and shoot players in the league. Neither is a defensive ace but hes more distruptive defensively and rebounding with his lenght. Hes clearly a more funcional piece for a contender.

[Doramas]

Hello, greetings to all Sixers fans. I'm a guy from Gran Canaria, Spain, Europe, 76ers fan since I was a kid when I was Dr.J and the great Moses.

Talking about the current Sixers, for me, the players I would like Morey to sign are:

Option A: Mikal Bridges
Option B: Cam Thomas
Option C: OG Anunoby

[the_process]

Tobias in five separate post season runs has yet to match what Poole did in his first (scoring/creating/passing) or what Wiggins did in that championship run absolutely tilting the floor against the Celtics which his phenomenal defense against Jayson Tatum and rebounding. He was the second best player in the finals.

Gordon is an elite rebounder/defender/finisher at the rim. MPJ is maybe the best shooter / movement shooter / contested shot maker in basketball and on high volume.

Tobias is a jack of all trades guy, but elite tools win out when it matters most.

Wow, that is a pretty charitable assessment of MPJ

For the record, last year Tobi and MPJ had identical 31% EFG when shooting highly contested (defender closer than 2 feet) jumpers (> 10 ft).

MPJ shot over 50% from the corner last season and an absurd 62.1% on contested catch & shoot jumpers in the playoffs on volume. Last season he also ranked 1st percentile in shot quality shooting 41.4% on 7.3 attempts per game.

Tobias Harris is not in the conversation with the elite jumbo marksmen in this league, Lauri is another one. Tobias is gunshy. Puts the ball on the floor and dribbles himself into chaos if you make him uncomfortable. He also can't slash or finish at the rim like MPJ.

He's the off-brand version in most categorical metrics. He's probably better at bringing "good vibes" and statpadding in regular season trivial clashes against teams like the Wizards and Hornets though, if that's what we care about the most.

Tobias against the Sixers 4 hardest opponents (2019 TOR, 2020 and 2023 BOS, 2022 MIA):
37.2 mpg (24 games)
14.3 ppg
26.8% 3P%
50.6% TS%

Tobias when he was asked simply to stand in the corner, get out of better players' way and be valve release with our best roster of the century and a streamlined path to the finals:

Watch on YouTube

And that's while Embiid had to mark SIakam defensively because he fed Tobias a swift 30 in game 1. I feel like a ball of negativity here, but it just blows my mind that every single year fans watch Tobias put up the same cute regular season act and then jump back on the train of overwhelming hope and belief. He is his traits, and your traits never lie. Is he an elite athlete? No. Can he shut down opposing stars? No. The best case scenario in achieving anything with him performing a significant role would be on the off chance that he, not only goes unconscious from 3, but he's not afraid to pull them when it matters most.

I will say however he is vital to picking up wins in the regular season / round 1. He's a valuable foot soldier, relatively consistent and his health record is impeccable.

Not a ball of negativity at all. Absolute truth.

[SixersSince82]

Who was the 3rd guy on Denver last year? Aaron Gordon or Michael Porter.
On the Warriors the year before? Jordan Poole or Andrew Wiggins

This talk of needing a 3rd guy is overblown. For all his issues Tobias Harris is just as good as any of the guys I just mentioned.

The real key was those teams ran a modern motion offense where everyone shares the ball, cuts, and finds the open man, instead of non-stop stagnant ISO-ball as we did under Glenn.

Now the new coach has put in a similar offense, which should lead to everyone being more effective come playoff time.

I can't just assume that will work for the 6ers in the playoffs before actually seeing it work.

Jokic is a super elite passer. Meanwhile we've seen Joel become what? 75% of himself in the playoffs and routinely have 6, 7, 8, turnover games. And it's precisely Draymond Green's secondary passing that has made their offense extra potent. That's NOT Tobias Harris. Honestly, until Batum got here, Furk was seriously our best passer, lol.

Nick Nurse system is great. I dig it and think it is a big part of this teams improvement. But GS/DEN have have elite guys who's skills fit the motion style offense. We don't have that. So I don't think its wise to glean too much from them.

[76ciology]

Hello, greetings to all Sixers fans. I'm a guy from Gran Canaria, Spain, Europe, 76ers fan since I was a kid when I was Dr.J and the great Moses.

Talking about the current Sixers, for me, the players I would like Morey to sign are:

Option A: Mikal Bridges
Option B: Cam Thomas
Option C: OG Anunoby

Im not this guy

[Doramas]

Hello, greetings to all Sixers fans. I'm a guy from Gran Canaria, Spain, Europe, 76ers fan since I was a kid when I was Dr.J and the great Moses.

Talking about the current Sixers, for me, the players I would like Morey to sign are:

Option A: Mikal Bridges
Option B: Cam Thomas
Option C: OG Anunoby

Im not this guy

Don't you think they are good enough?

I especially think Mikal Bridges is a fantastic two-way player. Elite in defence, and he's improved a lot in attack.


PS. I apologise in advance if my English is not good enough.