76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 2

[Bum Adebayo]

It's because if there's one character trait we know about, it's that Joel cares what others think of him. Even if really they all just want to push him down. So he played to tamp down that criticism. Joel is human. I feel like we lose sense of that because he's good at basketball.

The criticism was skipping Denver for 5 straight years, not so much missing some games in the season.

And he skipped because he was hurt, or sick each time.

That's ok but then he should've skipped the game against Warriors, that's my point. If he couldn't play in Denver there is nothing left to prove in RS anymore, playing in the game against Warriors won't stop people from saying he always ducks the game in Denver, just forget the noise and try to be healthy for playoffs.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

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Ahhh. Perkins

Bob Meyer thought that was insane.

Wilbon thought they could do it for the regular season and play him in postseason.

Woj: They would be a lottery

I don't think that'll happen, but I do recommend shutting him down until after the AS break. Kendrick Perkins is a buffoon, but I don't completely disagree with him here like I usually do. Also, Woj is spot on about us being lotto team if we do decide to call it.

[SixersSince82]

If the 6ers are truly a lottery team without Joel that speaks to just how far away they are from a championship. You need way more complementary talent than that to actually win a title w/Joel. It would mean they need almost an entire overhaul. Everyone but Maxey, more or less. If that's how they really feel internally, improving their tradable assets with the best possible pick, even trying to acquire more picks, or young prospects, by trading some guys off would absolutely be the best plan, imo.

Aim for the play in. Give yourself a shot at a playoff run but also get a high draft pick.

[the_process]

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Ahhh. Perkins

Bob Meyer thought that was insane.

Wilbon thought they could do it for the regular season and play him in postseason.

Woj: They would be a lottery

I don't think that'll happen, but I do recommend shutting him down until after the AS break. Kendrick Perkins is a buffoon, but I don't completely disagree with him here like I usually do. Also, Woj is spot on about us being lotto team if we do decide to call it.

If everyone else except Jo is playing, they should make the play-in, especially with the head start they have.

If they don't... there's a bigger problem here than just Jo's health.

[76ciology]

If the 6ers are truly a lottery team without Joel that speaks to just how far away they are from a championship. You need way more complementary talent than that to actually win a title w/Joel. It would mean they need almost an entire overhaul. Everyone but Maxey, more or less. If that's how they really feel internally, improving their tradable assets with the best possible pick, even trying to acquire more picks, or young prospects, by trading some guys off would absolutely be the best plan, imo.

Aim for the play in. Give yourself a shot at a playoff run but also get a high draft pick.

Or simply solve the problem by trading Maxey for Donovan Mitchell then give him a Utah Jazz type roster with a combo guard, stretch 4, a rim protector lob guy like Dayron Sharpe and a 3&D wing

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

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Ahhh. Perkins

Bob Meyer thought that was insane.

Wilbon thought they could do it for the regular season and play him in postseason.

Woj: They would be a lottery

I don't think that'll happen, but I do recommend shutting him down until after the AS break. Kendrick Perkins is a buffoon, but I don't completely disagree with him here like I usually do. Also, Woj is spot on about us being lotto team if we do decide to call it.

If everyone else except Jo is playing, they should make the play-in, especially with the head start they have.

If they don't... there's a bigger problem here than just Jo's health.

We're in the Toronto, Memphis, Portland tier of bad without Embiid. Mid-late lottery bad. We're older and even less athletic than last season. Yes...We have bigger issues than just his health. This team needs a shot of youth, talent, and athleticism.

[the_process]

I don't think that'll happen, but I do recommend shutting him down until after the AS break. Kendrick Perkins is a buffoon, but I don't completely disagree with him here like I usually do. Also, Woj is spot on about us being lotto team if we do decide to call it.

If everyone else except Jo is playing, they should make the play-in, especially with the head start they have.

If they don't... there's a bigger problem here than just Jo's health.

We're in the Toronto, Memphis, Portland tier of bad without Embiid. Mid-late lottery bad. We're older and even less athletic than last season. Yes...We have bigger issues than just his health. This team needs a shot of youth, talent, and athleticism.

If this is true, then they need to rebuild. Even a healthy Jo alone does not turn a lottery team into a champion.

[Sixerscan]

Couple things.

1. Denver and Milwaukee are at least as bad as we are when Jokic and Giannis sit. The Nuggets were -10 per 100 with Jokic out last year and they won the title. Being bad without an MVP caliber player does not make you a bad team.

2. Earlier this season they traded a guy who, for whatever you want to say about him, was probably one of the 10 best offensive players in the sport during the regular season last year, for role players on expiring contracts and draft picks. Until they turn around and use those assets for something that is on the court, the team is not going to be in its final form.

So no, them being bad without the reigning MVP (along with half of the roster lately) does not mean they need to rebuild.

[GutUNC]

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Ahhh. Perkins

Bob Meyer thought that was insane.

Wilbon thought they could do it for the regular season and play him in postseason.

Woj: They would be a lottery

I don't think that'll happen, but I do recommend shutting him down until after the AS break. Kendrick Perkins is a buffoon, but I don't completely disagree with him here like I usually do. Also, Woj is spot on about us being lotto team if we do decide to call it.

I realize this is a crazy thought, but how about we shut Embiid down for the exact amount of time his knee requires instead of setting up random return dates based on sticking our pointer fingers in the air?

Why is this being approached like some impossibly difficult puzzle? Have a competent medical professional diagnose him (we admittedly might have to hire one first) and establish the timeline, whether it's a week, a month or a year. This isn't complicated.

[SixersSince82]

Couple things.

1. Denver and Milwaukee are at least as bad as we are when Jokic and Giannis sit. The Nuggets were -10 per 100 with Jokic out last year and they won the title. Being bad without an MVP caliber player does not make you a bad team.

Im not sure that's really true. The Bucks were 11-8 last year without Giannis according to Statmuse. The Nuggets were 5-8, but Jamal Murray ALSO was absent in 5 of the losses. So 5-3 with Murray but no Jokic.

Generally speaking Im not sure it's worthwhile to compare the 6ers with or without Joel to any other team with or without their star, given that Joel is much more likely to be injured and either not playing or playing less effectively in the playoffs than other teams star.

[Sixerscan]

Couple things.

1. Denver and Milwaukee are at least as bad as we are when Jokic and Giannis sit. The Nuggets were -10 per 100 with Jokic out last year and they won the title. Being bad without an MVP caliber player does not make you a bad team.

Im not sure that's really true. The Bucks were 11-8 last year without Giannis according to Statmuse. The Nuggets were 5-8, but Jamal Murray ALSO was absent in 5 of the losses. So 5-3 with Murray but no Jokic.

Generally speaking Im not sure it's worthwhile to compare the 6ers with or without Joel to any other team with or without their star, given that Joel is much more likely to be injured and either not playing or playing less effectively in the playoffs than other teams star.

Feel like net rating is more relevant, they were -9 with Murray and no Jokic last year (-17 this year), but the Sixers were 11-5 in games Embiid missed last year, they also went 2-0 in the playoffs without him. Hence the other part of my post.

Giannis has missed games in 3 out of the last 4 postseasons fwiw.

[mjkvol]

Been saying it all year. They need a 3rd scorer 20ppg at least type guy. It's too much on Maxey and especially Joel, who is along with AD the only player that high level offense revolves around and defense revolves around (and the Lakers offense sucks, and defense is alright.... Philly top 5 ish in both because of Joel).

It's hard to ask the player to also want to miss games. When he knows his team's going to lose... If he were on a team that worked actually that. He may be more at ease with missing games. Blame Morey for all of his half hearted plans.

Not to come full circle in my beliefs, but if we could snag DeRozan for a first + expirings, I’d do it. Maintain cap flexibility and we have a 20ppg scorer with ball handling ability. Gives us someone to keep our head above water when Embiid and Maxey are out.

This has been the easiest to pull off as well as the most logical trade to make all season. Doesn't affect a thing next season and brings a desperately needed bucket-getter in here. Okay, he doesn't shoot 3's, I can live with it.

[seventy6ers]

It's starting to feel like the trade deadline is going to come and go and the Sixers will have done nothing. Hoping these rumors that Morey might want to see if he can get PG are false. The Clippers are a prime example of having 2 injury prone stars on the same team.

[SixersSince82]

I think Last year is different. With Harden, in addition to Maxey and Tobias, they had notably more top end talent when Joel doesn't play. They don't have that anymore. Thats the issue, imo. Last year's squad wouldn't have been a lottery team without Joel, like folks are suggesting with this years team.

Yeah, Giannis may turn into a playoff injury risk moving forward. I imagine they may have to win games without him. But at least Giannis has proven he has it within himself to withstand 4 grueling playoff rounds. If Joel's proven anything its that he can barely get through 1/2 that. I think if the organization is being responsible they gotta account for that more than other teams do with their stars.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Been saying it all year. They need a 3rd scorer 20ppg at least type guy. It's too much on Maxey and especially Joel, who is along with AD the only player that high level offense revolves around and defense revolves around (and the Lakers offense sucks, and defense is alright.... Philly top 5 ish in both because of Joel).

It's hard to ask the player to also want to miss games. When he knows his team's going to lose... If he were on a team that worked actually that. He may be more at ease with missing games. Blame Morey for all of his half hearted plans.

Not to come full circle in my beliefs, but if we could snag DeRozan for a first + expirings, I’d do it. Maintain cap flexibility and we have a 20ppg scorer with ball handling ability. Gives us someone to keep our head above water when Embiid and Maxey are out.

This has been the easiest to pull off as well as the most logical trade to make all season. Doesn't affect a thing next season and brings a desperately needed bucket-getter in here. Okay, he doesn't shoot 3's, I can live with it.

I'm not sure how much Derozan has left in the tank, but he's looked solid to me each time I've watched him this year. I agree, so what that he doesn't shoot threes. He lives in the mid range and gets to the foul line and gets you 20-25 a night. He's exactly the type of player that can keep us afloat whenever Embiid sits. We're seriously lacking that type of player right now. Tobias simply can't do it, and Maxey draws way too much attention whenever he's "the guy." Who knows WTF Chicago is doing though. They strike me as the type of organization that's more than happy competing for the play-in every year. They've got six rings from the 90s and they seem good with that.

[Bum Adebayo]

If everyone else except Jo is playing, they should make the play-in, especially with the head start they have.

If they don't... there's a bigger problem here than just Jo's health.

We're in the Toronto, Memphis, Portland tier of bad without Embiid. Mid-late lottery bad. We're older and even less athletic than last season. Yes...We have bigger issues than just his health. This team needs a shot of youth, talent, and athleticism.

If this is true, then they need to rebuild. Even a healthy Jo alone does not turn a lottery team into a champion.

We-re in that bad tier without Embiid in the regular season, the problem then is that Embiid doesn't elevate his play (the exact opposite actually) in playoffs, so it makes sense how we are always second round fodder, a not-good-enough MVP-caliver player and a fairly mediocre complimentary roster.
That's why the only way forward is to rebuild.

[Bum Adebayo]

Couple things.

1. Denver and Milwaukee are at least as bad as we are when Jokic and Giannis sit. The Nuggets were -10 per 100 with Jokic out last year and they won the title. Being bad without an MVP caliber player does not make you a bad team.

Thing is, Jokic is MUCH MUCH better in playoffs than Embiid, so they could make it work, even if there is no denying it was a weak path to a championship, still, we wouldn't have beaten Heat for example.

[Sixerscan]

Couple things.

1. Denver and Milwaukee are at least as bad as we are when Jokic and Giannis sit. The Nuggets were -10 per 100 with Jokic out last year and they won the title. Being bad without an MVP caliber player does not make you a bad team.

Thing is, Jokic is MUCH MUCH better in playoffs than Embiid, so they could make it work, even if there is no denying it was a weak path to a championship, still, we wouldn't have beaten Heat for example.

If only there was another part of that post where I said they needed to make more moves.

[M2J]

Yes, the Sixers are probably a play in team without Jo moving forward. No, they don't have to be. They have the pieces to make a trade. Joel was playing amazing, but they ran him and Maxey into the ground. It's a team full of decent finishers, and they're the only 2 creators and their style if creating is pretty physically taxing with Maxey's running and Jo in the paint and both are working hard on defense.

This is the best position this team has been in for Joel, but they have to use the assets. You can't go out looking to become the Phoenix Suns. Who are proving my point that you will be a year away after next year.

Joel is proving he needs to be load managed every year and a stacked roster is needed to facilitate that. He probably wouldn't need to miss that many games if they didn't rely on him for everything.

Hopefully they get him physically right and Morty holds up his end if the bargain. I'm going to stick with calling him Morty.... easier for my phone

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Ahhh. Perkins

Bob Meyer thought that was insane.

Wilbon thought they could do it for the regular season and play him in postseason.

Woj: They would be a lottery

I don't think that'll happen, but I do recommend shutting him down until after the AS break. Kendrick Perkins is a buffoon, but I don't completely disagree with him here like I usually do. Also, Woj is spot on about us being lotto team if we do decide to call it.

I realize this is a crazy thought, but how about we shut Embiid down for the exact amount of time his knee requires instead of setting up random return dates based on sticking our pointer fingers in the air?

Why is this being approached like some impossibly difficult puzzle? Have a competent medical professional diagnose him (we admittedly might have to hire one first) and establish the timeline, whether it's a week, a month or a year. This isn't complicated.

Being rational has no place on the internet sir! There are plenty of Sixer fan knuckheads following this stoopid line of thought. There are like two and a half months to the playoffs. Unless some kind of testing comes back that says Embiid can't heal within this team frame he'll be back and should be back if he gets legit medical clearance from the team doctors. Kendrick Perkins is an idiot. Ive been as hard on the medical staff as anyone but what happened on Tuesday is not as negligent as it seems. Embiid has been suffereing from knee inflamation which is not the result of any kind of specific injury (its just his knee reacting poorly to the day to day grind of basketball on a huge frame) so its a day by day thing that is very difficult to judge whether a guy can play on it or not. Embiid was not 100% healthy when he put 70 on the Pistons. Where the Sixers should be dinged is he should have not come out for the second half of the game against the Warriors it was obvious the pain was too much.