2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[OleSchool]

Parker is going 1 anyway and then Exum. That will drop Wiggins to us. I think with Exum sliding up do to Embiids injury teams are now calling to move up and get Exum.

I can't see the Cavs taking Parker, they need defense more than offense, and most have Parker and Wiggins tied at who they like better.

The Cavs need talent. It has nothing to do with defense. BPA is how you draft in the NBA.

Technically the Cavs do have talent. Kyrie, Waiters, Bennett (too early to give up on him, may not become a stud but should be a decent starter).

Bennett is also an undersized 4, so why would they take Parker?

In reading the Cavs forum their biggest need is a wing defender, thats what Wiggins is.

Kyrie is more of a scoring point, and that was the friction between Kyrie and Waiters. Why take Parker, who's strength is offense and clog things more.

[SJSF]

And this is why the Cavs have sucked since LeBron left. Come on man.

[OleSchool]

And this is why the Cavs have sucked since LeBron left. Come on man.

Well, they did get rid of Grant, so new management is in place. You have to "ass"ume better decisions will be made.

The only "monkey wrench" that could be thrown into the Cavs drafting is how much Gilbert is going to influence drafting decisions. Its almost like Gilbert is the Jerry Jones of the NBA

[OleSchool]

One scenario that could pop up is Clev trading with Utah.

With Embiid not in consideration (per WT), and if Clev has Wiggins, Parker, Vonleh, Exum, and Smart ranked the same (even though you would assume Smart and Exum are not in the conversation for the Cavs, because of Kyrie) I can see them trading down.

The rumor was Favors and 5 for 1. The Cavs could grab their C (Favors is a center) then take whoever is left.

Utah - Parker
Mil. - Exum (rumor has it Mil is high on Exum
Phi - Wiggins
Orl - Vonleh or Smart (I think Smart would be a better option but reading the Orl board they love Vonleh)
Clev - Smart, Gordon, maybe even Dario if they hire Blatt, which it looks like they will, or at that point could they take Embiid. His risk is diminished at 5.

I don't think Smart would be in play for Clev. but they could take him and hedge their bet against Kyrie leaving. Smart plays defense, plus with the Cavs hiring Blatt (again, assuming they are hiring him, per WT) I can see them going to a 2 pg set-up

[Agnostifarian]

I still think Hinkie ends up with three picks in the top 10 this year.

[Kobblehead]

David Griffin is an excellent basketball mind. I think him and Hinkie are very much equal.

[Snotbubbles]

If he's had stress fractures in both the back and foot, structural stability in his actual body comes into question. Is he capable of handling any type of professional workload? Those are careful considerations the medical staff has to take. I doubt we have access to him pre-draft to make that assessment, though.

97.5 had an ortho doctor on and the doctor said you need to do a bone density test to see if this will be a recurring problem or not. If it's not a bone density issue, then there really shouldn't be a problem because where the fracture in the foot is, the bone heals even stronger.

Hinkie is an analytics guy. Embiid laps the field in the analytical categories. If he's there, and the medical staff gives the green light you have to take Embiid.

Would Embiid give us access to his medical records and allow us to do the bone density test?

I can see him, and his agent giving us the records but the bone density test may be another issue all-together.

If we do the test and it comes back that he does have low bone density, I can see Embiid dropping like a rock in the draft, why would his agent allow us to take the risk?

Without it he drops like a rock because teams can't risk drafting him. With it, he goes 3rd at worst.

[OleSchool]

97.5 had an ortho doctor on and the doctor said you need to do a bone density test to see if this will be a recurring problem or not. If it's not a bone density issue, then there really shouldn't be a problem because where the fracture in the foot is, the bone heals even stronger.

Hinkie is an analytics guy. Embiid laps the field in the analytical categories. If he's there, and the medical staff gives the green light you have to take Embiid.

Would Embiid give us access to his medical records and allow us to do the bone density test?

I can see him, and his agent giving us the records but the bone density test may be another issue all-together.

If we do the test and it comes back that he does have low bone density, I can see Embiid dropping like a rock in the draft, why would his agent allow us to take the risk?

Without it he drops like a rock because teams can't risk drafting him. With it, he goes 3rd at worst.

But, if he takes the bone density test and it shows he has weak bones he may drop all the way to 2nd round. Which team is willing to take a guy who will have a reoccurring problem?

I'm just asking, don't want to start an argument but a case can be made either way.

Maybe his agent (Tellum?) should have it done, in secret that way he would know how risky it is to make it public


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[James40]

That's what he thinks about the bone scan.

[Kobblehead]

He looks like someone just told him the Cavs were still considering him despite the surgey.

[Eyeamok]

Sometimes I think I spend too much time on this board. Especially this season. Then I turn on my XM radio to listen to the basketball station. And lo and behold they are doing a mock draft and have Embiid going to either the Celtics or the Lakers and the 76ers drafting Randle at #3.

All I can say is my time here is better spent than listening to those guys. Perhaps I'll get an audio book or two.

[Agnostifarian]

Would Embiid give us access to his medical records and allow us to do the bone density test?

I can see him, and his agent giving us the records but the bone density test may be another issue all-together.

If we do the test and it comes back that he does have low bone density, I can see Embiid dropping like a rock in the draft, why would his agent allow us to take the risk?

Without it he drops like a rock because teams can't risk drafting him. With it, he goes 3rd at worst.

But, if he takes the bone density test and it shows he has weak bones he may drop all the way to 2nd round. Which team is willing to take a guy who will have a reoccurring problem?

I'm just asking, don't want to start an argument but a case can be made either way.

Maybe his agent (Tellum?) should have it done, in secret that way he would know how risky it is to make it public

First of all, agents don't prescribe tests; doctors do. Second, a bone density test is not some new, magical test. Embiid has already had bone issues and you can bet your ass he's had a series of bone density tests over the last year to monitor his condition. I am sure Hinkie will ask for and be given these test results and only because Embiid's agent needs to find a landing spot for JoJo. If I were his agent, I'd selectively release the results to us, ORL, UTA, etc., until I got an assurance that a team would pick JoJo. Then I go to radio silence.

If you draft Embiid without medical info, you're asking for trouble. I have never gotten any indication that Hinkie is a FOOL!


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[Agnostifarian]

Hey, sorry to have merged posts with you OleSchool. My bad.

[Snotbubbles]

Without it he drops like a rock because teams can't risk drafting him. With it, he goes 3rd at worst.

But, if he takes the bone density test and it shows he has weak bones he may drop all the way to 2nd round. Which team is willing to take a guy who will have a reoccurring problem?

I'm just asking, don't want to start an argument but a case can be made either way.

Maybe his agent (Tellum?) should have it done, in secret that way he would know how risky it is to make it public

First of all, agents don't prescribe tests; doctors do. Second, a bone density test is not some new, magical test. Embiid has already had bone issues and you can bet your ass he's had a series of bone density tests over the last year to monitor his condition. I am sure Hinkie will ask for and be given these test results and only because Embiid's agent needs to find a landing spot for JoJo. If I were his agent, I'd selectively release the results to us, ORL, UTA, etc., until I got an assurance that a team would pick JoJo. Then I go to radio silence.

If you draft Embiid without medical info, you're asking for trouble. I have never gotten any indication that Hinkie is a FOOL!


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If he's already had bone density tests and there was an issue it would have already been news. So either he's had one and there are no issues or he needs one before a team can draft him.

I certainly wouldn't draft him and give him a multi-million dollar contract without one. But I would take him at #3 if he got one and there were no issues.

[Agnostifarian]

But, if he takes the bone density test and it shows he has weak bones he may drop all the way to 2nd round. Which team is willing to take a guy who will have a reoccurring problem?

I'm just asking, don't want to start an argument but a case can be made either way.

Maybe his agent (Tellum?) should have it done, in secret that way he would know how risky it is to make it public

First of all, agents don't prescribe tests; doctors do. Second, a bone density test is not some new, magical test. Embiid has already had bone issues and you can bet your ass he's had a series of bone density tests over the last year to monitor his condition. I am sure Hinkie will ask for and be given these test results and only because Embiid's agent needs to find a landing spot for JoJo. If I were his agent, I'd selectively release the results to us, ORL, UTA, etc., until I got an assurance that a team would pick JoJo. Then I go to radio silence.

If you draft Embiid without medical info, you're asking for trouble. I have never gotten any indication that Hinkie is a FOOL!


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If he's already had bone density tests and there was an issue it would have already been news. So either he's had one and there are no issues or he needs one before a team can draft him.

I certainly wouldn't draft him and give him a multi-million dollar contract without one. But I would take him at #3 if he got one and there were no issues.

If Embiid had no medical issues, I'd give up #3 and #10, all the 2nds, Thad and his mom...

[76ciology]

One scenario that could pop up is Clev trading with Utah.

With Embiid not in consideration (per WT), and if Clev has Wiggins, Parker, Vonleh, Exum, and Smart ranked the same (even though you would assume Smart and Exum are not in the conversation for the Cavs, because of Kyrie) I can see them trading down.

The rumor was Favors and 5 for 1. The Cavs could grab their C (Favors is a center) then take whoever is left.

Utah - Parker
Mil. - Exum (rumor has it Mil is high on Exum
Phi - Wiggins
Orl - Vonleh or Smart (I think Smart would be a better option but reading the Orl board they love Vonleh)
Clev - Smart, Gordon, maybe even Dario if they hire Blatt, which it looks like they will, or at that point could they take Embiid. His risk is diminished at 5.

I don't think Smart would be in play for Clev. but they could take him and hedge their bet against Kyrie leaving. Smart plays defense, plus with the Cavs hiring Blatt (again, assuming they are hiring him, per WT) I can see them going to a 2 pg set-up

I have almost the same prediction on the other thread. But in my prediction, I have MCW being traded for the Cavs for their 5th overall. Smart gets selected by the Magic, they are really high on him since last year specially after we select Exum. For the Cavs, they get Favors and MCW for their no.1 overall pick, that's very good value for them and it should almost solidify their play-off run.

MCW
Kyrie/Waiters
Deng
Benett/Hawes
Favors/Varejao

While for us we can end the night with Exum and Embiid or Vonleh. Not bad.

Exum
Hollis Thompson
Thad
Vonleh
Noel

That's a LOT of length, athleticism and pretty good spacing.

[AAKing23]

I really hope we don't trade MCW, there's no need to. Why give up a player who you hit a homerun with in the draft.


Plus I would imagine this would make Nerlens Noel mad if they never got to play together.

[51X3RF4N]

How would everyone feel if the Sixers came out of the draft with the following:

PG- Marcus Smart
SG- Nik Stauskas
SF- Jerami Grant
PF- Nerlens Noel
C- Joel Embiid

Just curious how people like that lineup -- not necessarily as rookies (since Embiid will sit out a year), but as a roster in a few years, along with a 2015 lottery pick.

[freshie2]

How would everyone feel if the Sixers came out of the draft with the following:

PG- Marcus Smart
SG- Nik Stauskas
SF- Jerami Grant
PF- Nerlens Noel
C- Joel Embiid

Just curious how people like that lineup -- not necessarily as rookies (since Embiid will sit out a year), but as a roster in a few years, along with a 2015 lottery pick.

Is Stauskas the only one allowed to shoot?? I like Grant and GRobinson as later picks, but that lineup next would be brutal next year. I get the rebuilding thing, but they have to show some growth.

[Slacktard]

If Wiggins goes #1 I'm going to just keep wondering who Cleveland is trading him to because I think if they keep the pick they're going for Parker. I think they view him as the safer pick and more immediately ready. They need to RIGHT AWAY try to convince Kyrie to stay.