Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

[HotSauce77]

Another deal that could potentially work would be:

Elton Brand and Speights to the Bucks.
Iguodala, Battie and Drew Gooden to the Mavericks.
Redd, Butler, Ajinca, and Sevenson's expiring contracts and Larry Sanders and Dominique Jones to the Sixers.

In a separate move, Nocioni, Young and Songalia to the Clippers for Butler and Kaman, who will have an expiring contract this off-season.

That would be true rebuilding.

[HotSauce77]

Or try to include the Knicks - move Kaman and Kapono to the Knicks, with Nocioni, Young and Songalia going to the Clippers, and Curry, Butler and Azubuike's expiring contracts coming our way along with Anthony Randolph.

We would have a young, cheap, nucleus and loads of cap space going into the future. Holiday and Williams at the point. Turner, Meeks and Jones at the 2. Randolph, Brackins and Sanders at the 4 and no other contracts.

[inquisitive]

I doubt the Mavs will move Stevenson. They gonna most likely trade Butler's expiring contract as well Barea's expiring, Terry, and Anjica.

[Foshan]

So do you think NJ actually landing a Billups/Rip/Melo would increase (or decrease) the odds of us moving Iggy?

I almost think it would increase our odds of moving him, since that adds one more team into the mix for our last playoff spot, a team that will potentially be very competitive for the next year or two (lol then they'll be crap when billups retires and Rip is worthless on a big deal, and melo will be unhappy) but anyway. With another strong competitor in the east, reshuffling the deck and adding a young piece or two might make more sense. OR we make some small moves to stay competitive, which I think would be a big mistake.

[Skates]

So do you think NJ actually landing a Billups/Rip/Melo would increase (or decrease) the odds of us moving Iggy?

I almost think it would increase our odds of moving him, since that adds one more team into the mix for our last playoff spot, a team that will potentially be very competitive for the next year or two (lol then they'll be crap when billups retires and Rip is worthless on a big deal, and melo will be unhappy) but anyway. With another strong competitor in the east, reshuffling the deck and adding a young piece or two might make more sense. OR we make some small moves to stay competitive, which I think would be a big mistake.

Maybe, but not for that reason. The Nets improvements won't be a big deal since they still won't be in the neighborhood of the Heat, C's and Magic. Those are the teams that we need to eventually build up to challenge. The biggest effect maybe on NYK setting their sights on a player other than Melo to acquire. This might open up opportunities for a direct trade or part of a three way when they target someone like Nash or whomever.

Funny thing is that with Detroit sending Rip to NJ as aprt of this current proposed deal, the Sixers could have cone something similar and given NJ Brand in exchange for Murphy and junk, and added in some of their other expirings to make the deal work. Brand and Rip both have big, bad contracts, but personally I think Brand has more left to contribute than Rip does for the remainder of his deal. I worked it out on the trade checker a while ago, too bad we aren't involved. Murphy would be a workable replacement for Brand this year and with the later movement of Iggy for youth and space would have really helped us out.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Still don't see us moving Brand... At all! Making small moves to stay competitive would be stupid on our part as well. While it would be nice to make the playoffs, i'm more for us continuing to grow as a young team. The only trade i'd be interested in doing is moving Speights or Iguodala or both together. The more I think about Dallas the more it would work for me personally. REALGM right??
Reason being is we could take on Butlers contract for the rest of the year and then be free of it next season assuming we don't try and resign him.. Meeks, Young, and Hawes I think need to be kept and in order to that we need rid of Iguodala's contract.
Off topic... Kendrick Perkins is on my radar for this summer. Coming off a major injury I doubt he will get a major pay day but he's still going to be worth a look and he would be a perfect fit here provided he's healthy. I'm not sure of our cap situation because I simply don't pay attention to it but I would imagine that getting rid of Iguodala would help it out.
At this point it's neither here nor there with Iguodala.

[SJSF]

Still don't see us moving Brand... At all! Making small moves to stay competitive would be stupid on our part as well. While it would be nice to make the playoffs, i'm more for us continuing to grow as a young team. The only trade i'd be interested in doing is moving Speights or Iguodala or both together. The more I think about Dallas the more it would work for me personally. REALGM right??
Reason being is we could take on Butlers contract for the rest of the year and then be free of it next season assuming we don't try and resign him.. Meeks, Young, and Hawes I think need to be kept and in order to that we need rid of Iguodala's contract.
Off topic... Kendrick Perkins is on my radar for this summer. Coming off a major injury I doubt he will get a major pay day but he's still going to be worth a look and he would be a perfect fit here provided he's healthy. I'm not sure of our cap situation because I simply don't pay attention to it but I would imagine that getting rid of Iguodala would help it out.
At this point it's neither here nor there with Iguodala.

I agree, you can't move Brand. But if we could move Iggy's contract and a get a good center like Perkins that would be a hit. But we don't know what the cap is going to be. Or also whether its a hard cap which i think it will be in 2012. During our next season.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

In trading Iguodala... If I am doing today... Then i'm going to try and deal with the Clippers. Deandre Jordan is what i'm asking for return. Chris Kaman is a distant second option. Jordan has really been putting up some nice numbers and while LAC does seem to consider him the C of the future for them, we all know Sterling is a cheepskate. They need a small forward. It's been discussed before and I think it's really our best option at this time.

[Foshan]

I think the chance for a Jordan deal might be past, now that he's actually playing well. Now maybe in the off-season if the Clips don't want to match a big offer he gets it could be part of a S&T? I can't see a cheap owner trading a legit C who's making 1M for a SF making a lot more.

And Kaman is like option Z in my list of possible trades.

[Skates]

I think the chance for a Jordan deal might be past, now that he's actually playing well. Now maybe in the off-season if the Clips don't want to match a big offer he gets it could be part of a S&T? I can't see a cheap owner trading a legit C who's making 1M for a SF making a lot more.

And Kaman is like option Z in my list of possible trades.

Jordan is at that very dangerous time in his career. He is getting extended playing time, putting up some good numbers, but still has giant flaws in his game. This is what I call the Sammy zone where young bigs often get contracts in their FA years that will vastly overpay them for future returns. I would have much more interest in Jordan if he had another year left on his contract to really see what he becomes and doesn't. A lot of big guys bloom late, but even more only bloom partially and never really reach what seems like their potential.

Kaman would be fine by me if he came with Aminu attached, but not straight up.

[SJSF]

I do feel that the Sammy cotracts of the future are long gone. Teams aren't in a hurry to pay big money. And also with the lockout coming and the structuring of contracts and hard caps. Players like him will make 5-7m a year.

[Foshan]

^ I'm not sure how true that will hold though with a huge beastly guy like Jordan. His physical attributes scream potential. If he can string together a 10/10 the rest of the season, dude will get paid.

Also, wasn't he a second round pick? Is their a cap on how much he could get (pre-new cba?)

[BringBackKorver]

Also, wasn't he a second round pick? Is their a cap on how much he could get (pre-new cba?)

Don't think there is a limit, he's just a RFA. I think all the 2nd round loopholes closed after Gilbert went to Washington.

[HartfordWhalers]

Also, wasn't he a second round pick? Is their a cap on how much he could get (pre-new cba?)

Don't think there is a limit, he's just a RFA. I think all the 2nd round loopholes closed after Gilbert went to Washington.

Basically its the MLE.

More complicated it is:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q38

[BringBackKorver]

The link you provided says you basically give them the MLE # for 2 years then they get a monster raise. So you can still overpay him like crazy, but it has to be a back loaded deal.

[HartfordWhalers]

The link you provided says you basically give them the MLE # for 2 years then they get a monster raise. So you can still overpay him like crazy, but it has to be a back loaded deal.

Yes... But you need cap space to do that, and then it hits your cap space way worse then a normal deal
{Guy signs for 9,~10, ~11 that is a cap 9 million for a 10 million a year player, while a 2nd rounder offered 7, 7.5, 12.5 is a 9 million in cap space.}

Given that any back-loaded deal is cap inefficient and has the chance to be matched a week later (when you have missed out on all quality free agents), I would be surprised if just about any player got one. Wes was the standard MLE but front-loaded to hit Utah's lux tax hard. And if no one else will offer more than the MLE, I don't see LAC bidding against themselves.

Which is all to say true, but I think a short answer of yes doesn't lose you much in practice.

[freshie2]

Are there any rumors other than Iguodala to Dallas??

Probably could rename this the Iguodala Fantasy Trade Proposals...at least for a few weeks...

[blackberrywhite]

This may have been discussed here before, and please forgive me if it has, but do any of you guys think that Iguodala's current injury will have a negative effect on his trade value? The reason I ask this is because, I've had Achilles' tendonitis myself, and I can tell you firsthand, that it is very slow to recover from, so teams might now be more wary about taking him on, especially with his contract.

[Lapinski]

This may have been discussed here before, and please forgive me if it has, but do any of you guys think that Iguodala's current injury will have a negative effect on his trade value? The reason I ask this is because, I've had Achilles' tendonitis myself, and I can tell you firsthand, that it is very slow to recover from, so teams might now be more wary about taking him on, especially with his contract.

It almost makes him untradable. The Sixers are sort of stuck with him this year. No point in playing him a lot now, so he could only hurt his trade value by playing and being a shell of himself.

I know foot injuries are sometimes a lot harder to come back from first hand myself. And often once you are injured, you still are not the same player when you return.

[SJSF]

he needs to be sat down until the deadline